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    I Don't Understand Microsoft

    During E3 2013, Sony announced:

    -PS4 would be region free
    -PS4 would not charge for used games
    -PS4 would not require you to be online

    So Microsoft made some policy changes with the Xbox One.

    -Xbox One is now region free
    -Xbox One will now not charge for used games
    -Xbox One will not always require you to be online

    Microsoft must have noticed all the exclusives the PS3 had, because E3 2013 showed off Ryse, a new Halo, Forza, Titan Fall, and other exclusives.

    Here's what I don't understand. Microsoft did all this so it would be on the same level as Sony. Consumers were angry about the Xbox One's former restrictions. Why not do something BETTER than Sony?

    Throw something more into Xbox One, something different. Instead of staying with Sony, why not do your own thing? Just because consumers like the fact Sony supports lots of indie developers doesn't mean you have to like indie developers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    During E3 2013, Sony announced:

    -PS4 would be region free
    -PS4 would not charge for used games
    -PS4 would not require you to be online

    So Microsoft made some policy changes with the Xbox One.

    -Xbox One is now region free
    -Xbox One will now not charge for used games
    -Xbox One will not always require you to be online
    Only the last one was reversed, none of the other stuff was every announced or reversed. Just made up bull$#@! by fear mongers.
    Microsoft must have noticed all the exclusives the PS3 had, because E3 2013 showed off Ryse, a new Halo, Forza, Titan Fall, and other exclusives.

    Here's what I don't understand. Microsoft did all this so it would be on the same level as Sony. Consumers were angry about the Xbox One's former restrictions. Why not do something BETTER than Sony?
    Their current line up of games is way more/better than what Sony has announced. Granted Soy hasn't announced a whole hell of a lot. But I think announcing a bucket load of games, beats 3 games?
    Throw something more into Xbox One, something different. Instead of staying with Sony, why not do your own thing? Just because consumers like the fact Sony supports lots of indie developers doesn't mean you have to like indie developers.
    What? MS lead the indie scene, all Sony have really done is help some of the better indies transition to proper published games.

    Sony copied MS's lead on indie games. Not the other way around. And like all good companies, they improved upon MS's offering's. And it will likely swing the other way.

    Its called competition and that's a good thing.
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    Microsoft dis something different/better than sony.
    Its called Kinect 2. VOICE control is the future, my grandfather who has dementia can hardly use the TV remote or remember TV channels. If it wasnt so expensive i would recommend it for my grandparents. I told them about it that you can say "History channel, Nat geo, ect) he likes pawn stars, mountain men, and life below zero ... well my dad does and that's what he puts on for him to watch when were over

    Also almost forgot the motion control and video stuff. Its making me wonder and I love all kinds of Inventions and Innovations (disney world 2000 represent lol. is that attraction still there? I remember picking a color of paint and flinging it at a screen. That technology is finally here) If MS can take your picture and blend it into a dog or cat like they did in disney world's innovations and be able to email it to relatives like i did from their stand everyone would lose their minds. Also if they make a lightgun or let you use your own bb or airsoft uzi like i have to play call of duty or halo it would be un-resistable to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Only the last one was reversed, none of the other stuff was every announced or reversed. Just made up bull$#@! by fear mongers.


    Their current line up of games is way more/better than what Sony has announced. Granted Soy hasn't announced a whole hell of a lot. But I think announcing a bucket load of games, beats 3 games?


    What? MS lead the indie scene, all Sony have really done is help some of the better indies transition to proper published games.

    Sony copied MS's lead on indie games. Not the other way around. And like all good companies, they improved upon MS's offering's. And it will likely swing the other way.

    Its called competition and that's a good thing.
    Yup, nailed it. You replied exactly as to how I would have replied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post

    Its called competition and that's a good thing.
    I agree that competition is a good thing, but there needs to be more that separates the PS4 and Xbox One. People are asking what is the difference other than the obvious and I see why.

    I know Xbox One preorders look good, but if they want them to look better, do something to further separate from Sony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    Yup, nailed it. You replied exactly as to how I would have replied.
    Yep, plus they have a much improved 1080p kinect and offers day 1 cloud support.

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    LOL at sony copied ms. Lets not forget who was on the scene first coughs lol. secondly Sony let indies self publish. MS didn't. Ms has region locked. Sony does not. MS tried the drm and failed. Sony did not. Moral to the story MS had to back paddle upstream. Either way MS does have good games but titanfall isn't exclusive. Ryse is gimmicky and halo *holds breath* lol yall can't stay away from shooters lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dondidit View Post
    LOL at sony copied ms. Lets not forget who was on the scene first coughs lol. secondly Sony let indies self publish. MS didn't. Ms has region locked. Sony does not. MS tried the drm and failed. Sony did not. Moral to the story MS had to back paddle upstream. Either way MS does have good games but titanfall isn't exclusive. Ryse is gimmicky and halo *holds breath* lol yall can't stay away from shooters lol.
    That would be neither of them. Your post wreaks of hate...lol MS has a better lineup than sony IMO. Much better and more variety. As for shooters Killzone falls into that category too ya know.
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    They just throw $#@! on a wall and see what sticks.

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    Microsoft must have noticed all the exclusives the PS3 had, because E3 2013 showed off Ryse, a new Halo, Forza, Titan Fall, and other exclusives.
    Isn't that what any console is supposed to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Georges View Post

    Isn't that what any console is supposed to do?
    It's like saying all Pop artists copied Madonna because they make pop music.
    Yes, but that's not the point of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Only the last one was reversed, none of the other stuff was every announced or reversed. Just made up bull$#@! by fear mongers.
    No, that's what you would like everyone to believe (because of your strong bias towards Microsoft.)

    Their current line up of games is way more/better than what Sony has announced. Granted Soy hasn't announced a whole hell of a lot. But I think announcing a bucket load of games, beats 3 games?
    Not surprising at all, coming from you.

    What? MS lead the indie scene, all Sony have really done is help some of the better indies transition to proper published games.
    So, what changed? If Microsoft was "leading" the indie scene, why weren't they the first to announce their plans with the Xbox One?

    Sony copied MS's lead on indie games. Not the other way around. And like all good companies, they improved upon MS's offering's. And it will likely swing the other way.
    Right, that is why we knew Sony's stance on indies with the PS4 way before Microsoft.

    Its called competition and that's a good thing.
    Yes, it is. Sony is also Microsoft's competition and Microsoft has made quite a few changes this time around because of Sony (which you're trying to play down.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sainraja View Post
    No, that's what you would like everyone to believe (because of your strong bias towards Microsoft.)
    Either put up or sit down in the back sets, find ONE quote where MS said they would block used game sales.

    Not surprising at all, coming from you.
    Sony has announced three dam game, you cant get around that. That's not coming from ME, that's coming from them. They are holding back on game announcements, which is not a bad thing to do either.
    So, what changed? If Microsoft was "leading" the indie scene, why weren't they the first to announce their plans with the Xbox One?
    Because you cant tell the difference between indie, and self publishing?
    Right, that is why we knew Sony's stance on indies with the PS4 way before Microsoft.
    Of course we knew before MS, they announced it in Feb. SMH.
    Yes, it is. Sony is also Microsoft's competition and Microsoft has made quite a few changes this time around because of Sony (which you're trying to play down.)
    Where am I downplaying anything.

    MS never announced anything for indie devs. We all just assumed it was going to be a continuation of the 360 policies.
    They never announced blocking used game sales.
    They never announced region friggin locking either.
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    It's crazy how the PS4 has the most momentum and hasn't even scratched the surface of their year one launch titles.

    Why is that? Is it because people know the games are coming for the ps4(based off the ps3's history)? Is it because of the price difference? Is it because MS really screwed up the pr for the xbone(Tho they are repairing it a bit)?
    Destiny is going to be EVERYTHING that EA and MS hoped titanfall would be


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    It's crazy how the PS4 has the most momentum and hasn't even scratched the surface of their year one launch titles.

    Why is that? Is it because people know the games are coming for the ps4(based off the ps3's history)? Is it because of the price difference? Is it because MS really screwed up the pr for the xbone(Tho they are repairing it a bit)?
    Mainly the whole DRM and also price I think.
    Drm started it, price has continued it.
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    I really wish they went with their original game plan 100% it would have been a horrendous spectacular failure greater than the Wii U.
    Would have been fun to watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    I agree that competition is a good thing, but there needs to be more that separates the PS4 and Xbox One. People are asking what is the difference other than the obvious and I see why.

    I know Xbox One preorders look good, but if they want them to look better, do something to further separate from Sony.
    Microsoft has been spending all year just to catch SONY's tail, if you can only somewhat match the competition how do you expect to beat them in sales.
    PS4 is no joke looking like it'll thrash the Xbox 4:1 100million for SONY 25 for Xbox.
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    Here is the deal breaker for me. MS making Kinect mandatory. I don't want it, I will never want it, and I refuse to pay for it. Until MS comes out with a bundle minus Kinect for $100 cheaper they can stick it up their ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    It's crazy how the PS4 has the most momentum and hasn't even scratched the surface of their year one launch titles.

    Why is that? Is it because people know the games are coming for the ps4(based off the ps3's history)? Is it because of the price difference? Is it because MS really screwed up the pr for the xbone(Tho they are repairing it a bit)?
    You mean had the momentum. Only thing they have right now is a cheaper price which is understandable because you are getting less hardware. As for everything else, they are right there and even ahead of sony in certain things like online services. It was rocky a few months ago but right now xbox-one is looking pretty good. A lot of positive things have been reported lately.
    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    I really wish they went with their original game plan 100% it would have been a horrendous spectacular failure greater than the Wii U.
    Would have been fun to watch.
    We don't know that for sure. It definitely would of hurt their sales but failure is stretching it. Even if they totally fail they could bounce back. Can't say for sure if sony could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    You mean had the momentum. Only thing they have right now is a cheaper price which is understandable because you are getting less hardware. As for everything else, they are right there and even ahead of sony in certain things like online services. It was rocky a few months ago but right now xbox-one is looking pretty good. A lot of positive things have been reported lately.


    We don't know that for sure. It definitely would of hurt their sales but failure is stretching it. Even if they totally fail they could bounce back. Can't say for sure if sony could.
    They still have the momentum IMO. Although it's definitely nowhere near ad large as it was a couple months ago. The price difference is a big selling point. Not to mention that extra hardware, a lot of people don't want is the reason for that. Just like with PS3, not many wanted to pay 200 more for blu ray. That caused MS to have a bunch of momentum going forward. I see the situation as the same but the roles are different.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    They still have the momentum IMO. Although it's definitely nowhere near ad large as it was a couple months ago. The price difference is a big selling point. Not to mention that extra hardware, a lot of people don't want is the reason for that. Just like with PS3, not many wanted to pay 200 more for blu ray. That caused MS to have a bunch of momentum going forward. I see the situation as the same but the roles are different.
    And a lot of people do. I still say it's a good decision to include kinect right now. It's better than having to sell it on it's own right now. If the sales start lagging they can always drop it and still have some units out there. Sell all you can at launch and go from there.

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    LOL I don't wreak of hate. I wreak of truth and those who typically say things like that hate to be proven wrong. It's no secret that 360 is the home of shooters. Sony doesn't have to hide behind shooters. They create their own genre's. Now I am glad to see MS have first party studios that is doing something different. But YES I KNOW KILLZONE IS A SHOOTER LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    And a lot of people do. I still say it's a good decision to include kinect right now. It's better than having to sell it on it's own right now. If the sales start lagging they can always drop it and still have some units out there. Sell all you can at launch and go from there.
    I think it's a piss poor decision. Nothing really worth making it mandatory at launch.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dondidit View Post
    LOL I don't wreak of hate. I wreak of truth
    Really?

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