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    Gamespot's The Point: Why the XBone is losing

    http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-p...=Topslot;Slot2

    Warning. Salty language and armor your behinds from the hurt. This has been making the rounds on the interwebz like wild fire. Please don't shoot the messenger.

    TLDR : Nintendo went for the casuals by making a tethered tablet and lost big because the casualcore was not bothered.
    Microsoft was in full swing on R&D and design implementation on the XBone while the WiiU was getting shellacked. The backlash from the XBone reveal was not anticipated and preorder sales are clearly showing that the hardcore audience was not lost to console gaming whereas Wii/softcore is still up in the air.
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    But surely the changes/180s will help even a little bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    But surely the changes/180s will help even a little bit?
    Also, take a look at 3:32

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    right on with every point. the hardcore market is what matters most. no ifs, ands, or buts.

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    Dump kinect, ship a rechargeable battery in the controller, chop off $100 and its still worse then a PS4.

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    The only thing wrong with Nintendo right now is the lack of content on the Wii U. Otherwise, it'd be doing really well. Microsoft is losing because they didn't put forth the effort the market wants. Now that they are changing it, they'll be playing catch-up to Sony.

    That's more accurate than the Gamespot TLDR crap.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    Dump kinect, ship a rechargeable battery in the controller, chop off $100 and its still worse then a PS4.
    I'm not paying more or equal to what I paid for the ps4.

    The price I want to pay isn't going to happen anytime soon...$299. I'll be waiting a few years anyways. I want to see how stable their exclusive support ends up being. I don't want another 360-like situation to go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    Also, take a look at 3:32
    Well I'll be damned..
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    The only thing wrong with Nintendo right now is the lack of content on the Wii U. Otherwise, it'd be doing really well. Microsoft is losing because they didn't put forth the effort the market wants. Now that they are changing it, they'll be playing catch-up to Sony.

    That's more accurate than the Gamespot TLDR crap.
    I think they priced themselves out of the market they were hoping to target. They also poured so many resources into the 3DS because it had a slow start that their studios were stretched too thin when it came time to launch the WiiU.

    There's also the strong possibility that those gamers went elsewhere. All this talk about Androids and iPads eroding the market could have some merit. The core gamers are still around though.

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    Well I'll be damned..
    Indeed. You're a part of the hottest gaming related video on the net right now. How does it feel?

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    I think the xbox-one will be Ok. MS has made some mistakes but they are adjusting before launch, which I think will help out some. They will struggle a bit having the most expensive console out there this holiday. You have to look at the bigger picture of what's going on right now in the industry. Nintendo has launched the wii-u and sony has vita and neither is doing very well. On top of that, you have the yen which is falling. If that continues it's gonna be rough regardless of those initial numbers.

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    Pretty accurate take on things. Instead of saying softcore, I would go with:

    Casual, Core, Hardcore.
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    Dear oh dear, its not gong well for the xbone.

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    Well I'll be damned..

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    The backlash from the XBone reveal was definitely anticipated. They even quietly fired that Twitter guy for causing that uproar on the internet. Microsoft knew they would have to walk on eggshells, but they still failed to do anything right with their PR.

    On topic, Gamestop will have a lot of bias toward Playstation now for obvious reason. Gamestop opinion on the Xbox One will be through tinted glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    The backlash from the XBone reveal was definitely anticipated. They even quietly fired that Twitter guy for causing that uproar on the internet. Microsoft knew they would have to walk on eggshells, but they still failed to do anything right with their PR.

    On topic, Gamestop will have a lot of bias toward Playstation now for obvious reason. Gamestop opinion on the Xbox One will be through tinted glasses.
    Why will they and what makes it obvious? I don't see any of these sites being biased towards Sony. Heck Look at the way IGN and Gamespot etc layout their sites - it goes Xbox (360/One) then usually PC then PlayStation.

    Now I don't care - but my point is that I don't think there's anything to suggest that these sites are biased. Especially not towards PlayStation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Why will they and what makes it obvious? I don't see any of these sites being biased towards Sony. Heck Look at the way IGN and Gamespot etc layout their sites - it goes Xbox (360/One) then usually PC then PlayStation.

    Now I don't care - but my point is that I don't think there's anything to suggest that these sites are biased. Especially not towards PlayStation.
    Gamestop is biased because of Microsoft's push to kill used games. Not that I don't agree with the video, but Gamestop has obvious bias against Microsoft's attempted backstab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    Gamestop is biased because of Microsoft's push to kill used games. Not that I don't agree with the video, but Gamestop has obvious bias against Microsoft's attempted backstab.
    Are you talking about Gamestop (EB Games here in AU/NZ) and them having an agenda with MS (because you mention used games)?

    Because the article is about GameSpot - the online gaming website. Which doesn't have an agenda. At least not related to used games.

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    Ah. Yea I meant Gamestop. I misread the title. I completely forgot about the existence of Gamespot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    Ha, it's like he took my previous posts, mashed them up and made a video. i guess he's the smart one, he's making money off this.
    Yep - I thought what he said about an "ex wife grovelling" is exactly what I tweeted and said along the lines somewhere in these forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    Ah. Yea I meant Gamestop. I misread the title. I completely forgot about the existence of Gamespot.
    haha common mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    The only thing wrong with Nintendo right now is the lack of content on the Wii U. Otherwise, it'd be doing really well. Microsoft is losing because they didn't put forth the effort the market wants. Now that they are changing it, they'll be playing catch-up to Sony.

    That's more accurate than the Gamespot TLDR crap.
    Games aren't the only reason why Wii U is failing. Casuals also have no idea is it just upgrade for Wii, is it new console, is it just new controller etc. which can be blamed on $#@!ty marketing. Let's remember how people were confused on Wii U revealing in last years E3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mael Duin View Post
    Games aren't the only reason why Wii U is failing. Casuals also have no idea is it just upgrade for Wii, is it new console, is it just new controller etc. which can be blamed on $#@!ty marketing. Let's remember how people were confused on Wii U revealing in last years E3.
    I agree that the marketing isn't really good at all. I think that goes hand in hand with the content though.




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    I think they are in a precarious position now. They have to market the system to the core and win them back, yet it took years and years of deliberate design strategy decisions to make the machine. They tailored it to do certain things and the early-on backlash means that they are going to have to walk a tight-rope with this thing.

    On the flip-side. Sony stays the course and seems to be taking the spoils early on. I've been saying it for a while, and I think the guy in the video nailed the point really hard (as in, sent the ball into orbit whilst the bat exploded into dust). They decided to bank on the machine targeting that center mass of gamers without keeping the hardcore gamers in mind. It would have worked if they could launch the system at $200 or so.

    As it stands, right now, it's a machine without a home and an XBox in name only. Frankly, ever since the Kinect launched, MS has been pursuing the casual audience so hard it seems like their hardcore fanbase has either been standing in the dust or already moved on to PS3.

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    So Gamespot and IGN n the likes are no longer biased?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkHardcore View Post
    So Gamespot and IGN n the likes are no longer biased?
    What was the point of this post?

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