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    Ars Technica Debunks Penello's spec claims.

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...-underpowered/

    Penello: "18 CUs [compute units] vs. 12 CUs =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CUs, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU."

    Ars Technica: "The entire point of GPU workloads is that they scale basically perfectly, so 50% more cores is in fact 50% faster."
    Penello: "Adding to that, each of our CUs is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall."

    Ars Technica: "What the hell does that even mean?"
    Penello: "We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted."

    Ars Technica: "Just adding up bandwidth numbers is idiotic and meaningless. While the Xbox One's ESRAM is a little faster, we don't know how it's used, and the PS4's GDDR5 is obviously a lot bigger."

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    It's a bit odd for Penello to be wading into this kind of raw numbers battle, given a June interview with OXM where he called this very sort of comparison "meaningless."

    "So the whole numbers game—yeah, I've been following it online and it's like, we tried having that argument last time," Penello said in June. "Do I want to talk about HDMI 1.3 or 1.4, it's like 'Argh!' It doesn't matter. Did you see Call of Duty, it looks $#@!ing awesome! It's going to be great, you know. So we're just saying, it's not worth the debate."
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    Quote Originally Posted by victorijapoosp View Post

    This article in no way debunks anything. He attacks five points of Penello's statements and then says maybe to one of them and gives a "I don't know" to three of them.

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    Not to say it's invalid or valid because it could very well be 100% right, but how is ArsTechnica debunking this?
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    Epic fail post...

    Move along, nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    Epic fail post...

    Move along, nothing to see here.
    I saw it. I committed it to memory.

    I know.


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    c'mon, vulg LOL that post does nothing to debunk anything... hell, to be honest I don't even know what half the $#@! is (don't even care) but if something is DEBUNKED there is clear, concise evidentiary backup to the claim. This doesn't come close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    c'mon, vulg LOL that post does nothing to debunk anything... hell, to be honest I don't even know what half the $#@! is (don't even care) but if something is DEBUNKED there is clear, concise evidentiary backup to the claim. This doesn't come close
    I misread, I thought you had originally posted something else and edited it to say "epic fail post, move along" as if you had put a foot in your mouth.

    I was simply saying I had 'seen your original' to creep on you. Obviously I was lying lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    I misread, I thought you had originally posted something else and edited it to say "epic fail post, move along" as if you had put a foot in your mouth.

    I was simply saying I had 'seen your original' to creep on you. Obviously I was lying lol
    lol

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    Hahahaha. Oh i enjoyed it!
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    Maths is biased! It keeps telling me the PS4 is 50% more powerful than XboxOne!
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    Well, uhm... Ars has been around a LONG time and i tend to agree with their assessments, because they know what they are doing.
    Their quick comments are about all that needs to be said.
    How about this, all of the XBO Lovers, sink ALL of your money into MS stock if you need that bad to defend them, i wish you luck!

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    That would have been great advice just before Balmer announced he was leaving

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    That was a funny post. LOL...

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    The thread has been debunked. LOL.

    Ars.. simply arguing what the other guy said.




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    Both this thread and this thread http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...tly-overstated are full of epic fail. Neither one proves or disproves anything tbh.
    Last edited by mistercrow; 09-11-2013 at 22:13.

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    Imo nor Penello or Ars has proven anything, they're both merely just trying to state something but provide no actual proof to back up their sayings so therefore the difference of power/hardware specs between the consoles is still unknown.


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    I believe the PS4 will obviously be a better gaming console overall and I am not going to argue it. I do believe that this battle with words so far is kind of silly. just reading it made me go "DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" while I was hitting my chest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    I believe the PS4 will obviously be a better gaming console overall and I am not going to argue it. I do believe that this battle with words so far is kind of silly. just reading it made me go "DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" while I was hitting my chest.
    Its very silly, glad sony are better than that!!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy8846 View Post
    Its very silly, glad sony are better than that!!! Lol

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    they aren't... just this gen they are sitting back and watching MS do it.. last gen was ALL Sony blabbing on about the "cell"...

    Just different years, different PR people... business as usual.

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    Penello: "We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted."

    Ars Technica: "Just adding up bandwidth numbers is idiotic and meaningless. While the Xbox One's ESRAM is a little faster, we don't know how it's used, and the PS4's GDDR5 is obviously a lot bigger."
    From what I pulled from the article, this part is definitely true. It is ridiculous how Penello pulled those figures out of his ass. Magic Math? He must think people are complete idiots?

    32 Mb of ESRAM can only go so far. That is why I said in the other thread per Mynd: "We will see how far this rubberband can stretch".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    they aren't... just this gen they are sitting back and watching MS do it.. last gen was ALL Sony blabbing on about the "cell"...

    Just different years, different PR people... business as usual.
    Except the Cell eventually lived up to it's promise thanks to the research and resulting software from Sony Santa monica, Naughty Dog, Cerny's ICE team, Guerilla Games and the European R and D team based in London and SCEJ.

    It's funny how penello was pushing "we invented DIRECT X!" Sony just have to respond with Naughty Dog who deciphered the CELL, and then shared their tech in the SDK for third parties to use. Naughty Dog, being Cerny's home turf most likely had a massive input on the system's architecture and SDK environment. I wonder how far they will push the PS4, the GPGPU utilisation may well change the gaming industry, because that tech will be shared with 3rd parties and indeed the xbone and PC games will benefit because tech engineers from GG, ND, SSM, ICE team etc will be deciphering the same architecture.

    What they have achieved on the CELL is remarkable. God of war, Gran Turismo, Uncharted 1, 2, 3 and the Last of Us are stunning and far exceed anything I have seen on an Xbox 360.

    Most of the people i know who bought the 360 first last gen, only chose Xb360 because it was cheaper at the time for the basic unit. Then after the RROD fiasco and the cost of propriety 360 wifi and hard drives from Microsoft necessary to play most games, they believe they ended up paying a lot more. And because of the ever diminishing exclusive 360 games after 2010, have decided this gen they will go with PlayStation first because they now there will be a large number of varied quality exclusives every year, and MAYBE the xbone after a 3 or 4 years when the price drops and there is a decent library.

    BTW Sony only had 1 slimy PR man. His name is agent Phil Harrison. He left, Shuhei Yoshida took over as head of WWS and slowly PS3 has risen from the ashes and is on par internationally on market share. The master plan in action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    they aren't... just this gen they are sitting back and watching MS do it.. last gen was ALL Sony blabbing on about the "cell"...

    Just different years, different PR people... business as usual.
    Indeed that is the case. Microsoft and Sony have been, currently are, and will continue to pull the same antics, same PR, and same mistakes of a different tune.

    Quote Originally Posted by victorijapoosp View Post
    Except the Cell eventually lived up to it's promise thanks to the research and resulting software from Sony Santa monica, Naughty Dog, Cerny's ICE team, Guerilla Games and the European R and D team based in London and SCEJ.
    The cell worked, but it didn't produce anything better than the competing console. We are ending this gen with visuals and physics being identical.

    It's funny how penello was pushing "we invented DIRECT X!" Sony just have to respond with Naughty Dog who deciphered the CELL, and then shared their tech in the SDK for third parties to use. Naughty Dog, being Cerny's home turf most likely had a massive input on the system's architecture and SDK environment. I wonder how far they will push the PS4, the GPGPU utilisation may well change the gaming industry, because that tech will be shared with 3rd parties and indeed the xbone and PC games will benefit because tech engineers from GG, ND, SSM, ICE team etc will be deciphering the same architecture.
    I suspect Cerny is being forthcoming and honest about how his company has developed the PS4, just like Penello is being forthcoming and honest about his company has developed the X1.

    What they have achieved on the CELL is remarkable. God of war, Gran Turismo, Uncharted 1, 2, 3 and the Last of Us are stunning and far exceed anything I have seen on an Xbox 360.
    I have yet to see anything exceed Battlefield 3 on console. Though Last of Us is right up there with Halo 4.

    Most of the people i know who bought the 360 first last gen, only chose Xb360 because it was cheaper at the time for the basic unit. Then after the RROD fiasco and the cost of propriety 360 wifi and hard drives from Microsoft necessary to play most games, they believe they ended up paying a lot more. And because of the ever diminishing exclusive 360 games after 2010, have decided this gen they will go with PlayStation first because they now there will be a large number of varied quality exclusives every year, and MAYBE the xbone after a 3 or 4 years when the price drops and there is a decent library.
    Most people bought the Xbox 360 because of it's game library, which is vastly larger. I don't know anyone personally that bought a 360 because it was cheaper. Everyone I know that bought one was for the games and the fact that it had Xbox Live and all friends/relatives had the console, or the previous Xbox. That is why the software attach rate tops on the 360. Not to mention, their exclusive line up continued to grow in leaps and bounds through now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    they aren't... just this gen they are sitting back and watching MS do it.. last gen was ALL Sony blabbing on about the "cell"...

    Just different years, different PR people... business as usual.
    lol so how is that not better, ms also babbled last gen and are continuing this gen... guess they didn't learn from Sony last gen


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    Lmao grasping for straws can't handle truth. He got his info from MS tech engineers. Its funny how things work on this forum whatever Sony says it is true but when Microsoft explains the tech and specs behind the x1 its all lies.

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