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    Steam OS.. How do you think it will affect NextGen consoles, if at all?


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    It's pretty clear that this is a response from Valve versus Microsoft's attempts to close the PC software market, That could force developers to use the Microsoft own appstore in the Windows 8 and beyond as the only way to get their app/product to PC customers using windows 9/8 OS etc, like the Iphone appstore.

    How do you think it will affect PS4, if at all? I imagine you can buy/build very powerful HTPCs these days, coupled with a streamlined, Open sou gaming centric Linux OS, things could become very interesting.
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    So far it seems like it'll be an entry step for wider distribution, mostly being for streaming and gaining a foothold into the living room. I don't expect this to do much more than a light knock on either of the consoles, because while it's in the same field space it's not the same category. This thing isn't designed to be a main competitor in that regard. But what it's working to accomplish can influence the game industry as a whole over time. Valve is gearing towards Linux on the PC side, and they're also working on a larger and more varied platform that no doubt Sony and Microsoft are taking note of right now.

    PS3? Not really. PS4? Probably. If Valve has shown anything, it's that patience pays off. If they sway the market and tech industry at all then they'll capitalize on it when the time is right.

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    Its purpose is not a box for streaming games from a PC elsewhere in the house. It will be running games natively on the actual hardware.
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    It won't be running that many games natively other than the handful of Linux ready games. it'll play all of the Source games though. It will be streaming ALOT of it's games.
    .” It’s also unclear how many of the 3,000 games on Steam will run natively on SteamOS–Valve says you’ll be able to “access the full Steam catalog” through in-home streaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    It won't be running that many games natively other than the handful of Linux ready games. it'll play all of the Source games though. It will be streaming ALOT of it's games.
    When I was reading about that I saw that more as a temporary solution until they build their library of Linux games.

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    All I want to know is ,can steam keep the low prices, if they ever release a box. If they do, this will effect everything.
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    The prices won't change, if they changed the prices then Valve will simply start losing a lot of business because of how open the PC digital distribution platform is. The Steam Box is build by someone different of whom already sell those micro sized cases, all Valve are doing is getting the components (ala Alienware) and selling them to consumers as a pre-installed SteamOS box, technically they're not really losing any money at all as it's built and ordered to spec.

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    It will not bother PS4 at all as it can not run Uncharted, GOW and Gran Turismo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkNemesis View Post
    It will not bother PS4 at all as it can not run Uncharted, GOW and Gran Turismo.
    This^^

    While my allegiance may appear to be to sony, its actually to its games and game studios. If naughtydog ever broke away from sony, I'd follow them to the ends of the earth.


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    So I looked into SteamOS further. Are you kidding me? It's an OS intended on turning your PC essentially into a console. What the hell is the point? One of the benefits of PC is that it does more than just play games. It's one of the reasons people justify spending $1000+ on a pc to game. So is valve expecting to turn everyones $1000+ PC into a $1000+ console?

    There is a whole lot of facepalm going on with this idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shepard View Post
    This^^

    While my allegiance may appear to be to sony, its actually to its games and game studios. If naughtydog ever broke away from sony, I'd follow them to the ends of the earth.


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    So I looked into SteamOS further. Are you kidding me? It's an OS intended on turning your PC essentially into a console. What the hell is the point? One of the benefits of PC is that it does more than just play games. It's one of the reasons people justify spending $1000+ on a pc to game. So is valve expecting to turn everyones $1000+ PC into a $1000+ console?

    There is a whole lot of facepalm going on with this idea.
    No....it's a steamlined PC for the average person basically....or beginner PC gamers...or who don't have $2500 for a stellar PC but don't want to buy cheap and put it together.

    There is a market for this...is it a huge market? Only time will tell since the beginner PC gamers is probably who they are really going after. If you knew Vavles record and the leaps they have invovated you wouldn't say theres tons of facepalm.

    If anyone can do it...they can.

    I'm sure many japanese said the same thing when an American company decided to get into the console race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shepard View Post
    This^^

    While my allegiance may appear to be to sony, its actually to its games and game studios. If naughtydog ever broke away from sony, I'd follow them to the ends of the earth.


    edit:
    So I looked into SteamOS further. Are you kidding me? It's an OS intended on turning your PC essentially into a console. What the hell is the point? One of the benefits of PC is that it does more than just play games. It's one of the reasons people justify spending $1000+ on a pc to game. So is valve expecting to turn everyones $1000+ PC into a $1000+ console?

    There is a whole lot of facepalm going on with this idea.
    Thing is Valve have found out that using Linux and OpenGL is far more efficient than windows and Direct X so people wanting to get the most ou of mid en hardware could use this OS to gain the FPS needed to run at 60FPS or more.
    http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...ven-on-windows

    You can install as many OS on you computer as you want, you just need to partiton the drive or use a separate one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Thing is Valve have found out that using Linux and OpenGL is far more efficient than windows and Direct X so people wanting to get the most ou of mid en hardware could use this OS to gain the FPS needed to run at 60FPS or more.
    http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...ven-on-windows

    You can install as many OS on you computer as you want, you just need to partiton the drive or use a separate one.
    well i think its not Valve foundation, if I remember correctly John Carmack always was main ideologist of OpenGL in games

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireSol View Post
    well i think its not Valve foundation, if I remember correctly John Carmack always was main ideologist of OpenGL in games
    All idtech engines use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Thing is Valve have found out that using Linux and OpenGL is far more efficient than windows and Direct X so people wanting to get the most ou of mid en hardware could use this OS to gain the FPS needed to run at 60FPS or more.
    http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...ven-on-windows

    You can install as many OS on you computer as you want, you just need to partiton the drive or use a separate one.
    Which limits it to the more technical minded gamer. Obviously this isn't a big deal for folks that know what they are doing, but not sure most gamers would want to those lengths just to get games they already have in Steam/Windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Which limits it to the more technical minded gamer. Obviously this isn't a big deal for folks that know what they are doing, but not sure most gamers would want to those lengths just to get games they already have in Steam/Windows.
    This exactly^^

    Unless Valve announces an actual SteamBox that runs SteamOS, they aren't really opening themselves up to grab any customers from the console market. PC gaming is complicated to alot of people....this over complicates it further.

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    Well I will be giving it a shot when its released. Whenever that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shepard View Post
    So I looked into SteamOS further. Are you kidding me? It's an OS intended on turning your PC essentially into a console. What the hell is the point? One of the benefits of PC is that it does more than just play games. It's one of the reasons people justify spending $1000+ on a pc to game. So is valve expecting to turn everyones $1000+ PC into a $1000+ console?

    There is a whole lot of facepalm going on with this idea.
    Since the SteamOS is a custom build of Linux, there's no reason it couldn't run all of the software available on Linux already (VLC, Firefox, Chrome, XBMC, Plex, ect). So it's conceivable you could still get best in class entertainment experiences via those channels. You can browse the web in Steam's current Big Picture Mode, and that already puts to shame the 360 and PS3s controller navigation and input. Slap the same navigation innovations in a custom OS that doesn't have all the unnecessary bloat of Windows, allow it run already proven world class applications as mentioned above, with hardware you can configure yourself if you like...sounds nice to me!
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    Different crowd. It might get some people into 'PC' gaming but like.. I have a PC. No appeal to me. I can plug it into my TV if need be.

    I can see the appeal for some people and those who want to get into PC stuff, but i dont think its going to change the market or anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by victorijapoosp View Post

    http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/


    It's pretty clear that this is a response from Valve versus Microsoft's attempts to close the PC software market, That could force developers to use the Microsoft own appstore in the Windows 8 and beyond as the only way to get their app/product to PC customers using windows 9/8 OS etc, like the Iphone appstore.

    How do you think it will affect PS4, if at all? I imagine you can buy/build very powerful HTPCs these days, coupled with a streamlined, Open sou gaming centric Linux OS, things could become very interesting.
    Won't affect PS4 that much. It will be a long time before we start to see (if) SteamOS becoming a dominant force in gaming.

    I do like to see SteamOS taking over PC gaming over Windows 8. MS PC support has been a joke as of late especially with the recent death of GFWL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insanehead View Post
    MS PC support has been a joke as of late especially with the recent death of GFWL.
    Huh? The death of GFWL was the best thing they could've ever done

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    Huh? The death of GFWL was the best thing they could've ever done
    I meant that it showed how MS completely gave up PC gaming that resulted in the death of GFWL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insanehead View Post
    I meant that it showed how MS completely gave up PC gaming that resulted in the death of GFWL.
    Thank goodness for the death of GFWL but it doesn't die until next July. MS has completely discombobulated their tie and control over PC gaming. Their last "spider hole" is to use the subterfuge that DirectX is somehow intimately intertwined with the Windows DNA. They have been trying to do this for awhile and their last hurrah holy mary pass is to close up DX 11.5, requiring Windows 8. This isn't going to work, any more than it did for DX9, DX10, and DX11.

    People get hung up on the OS but Linux on a X86 machine works with X86 machine binaries, just as Windows does on the machine language level. So, you can have a dual boot Linux/Windows on the same hardware, they are talking to the same hardware at the machine language level, just in different ways. There is Windows VM that can run under Linux but the next step will be a very fast translator that can run PC games directly in a Linux OS system.

    I was on Steam before it was Steam, when it was WON. WON was a horrible mess and when Steam first came out, it often seemed worse and it was only a skeleton of what it is now. Back in those days, there were thousands of PC gamers that were up in arms against Steam and thousands upon thousands of posts of why it would never work or catch on. Steam recently passed 50 million members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligmerk View Post
    Thank goodness for the death of GFWL but it doesn't die until next July. MS has completely discombobulated their tie and control over PC gaming. Their last "spider hole" is to use the subterfuge that DirectX is somehow intimately intertwined with the Windows DNA. They have been trying to do this for awhile and their last hurrah holy mary pass is to close up DX 11.5, requiring Windows 8. This isn't going to work, any more than it did for DX9, DX10, and DX11.

    People get hung up on the OS but Linux on a X86 machine works with X86 machine binaries, just as Windows does on the machine language level. So, you can have a dual boot Linux/Windows on the same hardware, they are talking to the same hardware at the machine language level, just in different ways. There is Windows VM that can run under Linux but the next step will be a very fast translator that can run PC games directly in a Linux OS system.

    I was on Steam before it was Steam, when it was WON. WON was a horrible mess and when Steam first came out, it often seemed worse and it was only a skeleton of what it is now. Back in those days, there were thousands of PC gamers that were up in arms against Steam and thousands upon thousands of posts of why it would never work or catch on. Steam recently passed 50 million members.
    I played since then too. Although I didn't join steam the day it was released I joined about a week later after I loaded up Half life and found no servers and went asking around whats going on, they all replied oh yea you neeed steam now, which took about 20 mins to download and then another hour to update because I was on 56k and it kept hanging and crashing.

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