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    Can someone explain these CPUS differences?

    Iam thinking to upgrade my CPU as well as my GPU. But I got confused. My CPU is 3820 quad core speed 3.60 and the price was 300 dollars when I bought. My goal is to get i7-4930K but I see the speed of it is 3.40 which is lower than mine. I know it has 6 cores but it seems slow with its speed. The other CPU came out last year i7-3930 that it has 3.8 with turbo thing called and it cost around 599 or 580 as the I7-4930k. So, which one is better can you guys tell me? Thanks alot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphon_Filter View Post
    Iam thinking to upgrade my CPU as well as my GPU. But I got confused. My CPU is 3820 quad core speed 3.60 and the price was 300 dollars when I bought. My goal is to get i7-4930K but I see the speed of it is 3.40 which is lower than mine. I know it has 6 cores but it seems slow with its speed. The other CPU came out last year i7-3930 that it has 3.8 with turbo thing called and it cost around 599 or 580 as the I7-4930k. So, which one is better can you guys tell me? Thanks alot.
    You won't see any meaningful benefit in upgrading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    You won't see any meaningful benefit in upgrading.
    Ohhhhhhhh so just upgrade my video card? Dam! I thought by having one of these CPUS it will be great and my PC will be running like F18 lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphon_Filter View Post
    Ohhhhhhhh so just upgrade my video card? Dam! I thought by having one of these CPUS it will be great and my PC will be running like F18 lol.
    Even the gpu is fine, you'd be better off upgrading to the 800 series cards when they come out sometime next year.

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    3.60 X 4 << 3.40 X 6. The six core processor has a significant power advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    3.60 X 4 << 3.40 X 6. The six core processor has a significant power advantage.
    Games will not take advantage of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Games will not take advantage of it.
    PCs are multitaskers. And with next gen console coming, yes, games will be taking a lot more advantage of the CPU now that the lowest common denominator has gone up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    PCs are multitaskers. And with next gen console coming, yes, games will be taking a lot more advantage of the CPU now that the lowest common denominator has gone up.
    You know, in 2008 I built a computer with a Quad Core cpu. Why? Because at the time games like alan wake were said to need it to be taken full advantage of.

    Guess what, by the time quad core cpu's had a significant benefit for games, my cpu was outdated.

    So no, there isn't any point in blowing your money on a 6 core cpu when you have an up to date quad core cpu.

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    If you are going to stream games like on Xsplit then a six core or better yet a FX-8350 which is an 8 core would be much better. But if you're not streaming games then you will be perfectly fine with a quad core. Put it this way. I can still max even the newer games out with an nice GPU and a phenom II (that is if I could still get a hold of one). lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    You know, in 2008 I built a computer with a Quad Core cpu. Why? Because at the time games like alan wake were said to need it to be taken full advantage of.

    Guess what, by the time quad core cpu's had a significant benefit for games, my cpu was outdated.

    So no, there isn't any point in blowing your money on a 6 core cpu when you have an up to date quad core cpu.
    That's because your quad core was help back by an 8-year-old console. The next generation of consoles now offering 10x the performance over the previous generation will definitely change all that very quickly, especially if you multitask or use Fraps. But $600 is a ripoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Even the gpu is fine, you'd be better off upgrading to the 800 series cards when they come out sometime next year.
    Iam waiting for AMD new video cards to come out th R9 290X I think its called. They said it will out power Titan or GTX 690 and cheaper. I don't think I can wait until late of next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    3.60 X 4 << 3.40 X 6. The six core processor has a significant power advantage.
    Yeah, the 6 cores is powerful but I attend to play games only and anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Games will not take advantage of it.
    Than I keep my 3820 CPU.
    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    If you are going to stream games like on Xsplit then a six core or better yet a FX-8350 which is an 8 core would be much better. But if you're not streaming games then you will be perfectly fine with a quad core. Put it this way. I can still max even the newer games out with an nice GPU and a phenom II (that is if I could still get a hold of one). lol
    I don't stream games and I just play all my games 1080P, 60HZ, and all on ultra settings. I capture my games and upload them which is fine. But I don't do stream or overclock things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    You won't see any meaningful benefit in upgrading.
    MATRIX 2 is mostly right. Since we assume you aren't doing a second screen for multitasking WHILE you game, the upgrade isn't going to help so much.
    I have the i73930k with 64GB ram and another box with the i7 970 with 24gb ram, BOTH are 12 thread hyperthreading 6 core chips, and, on most demanding games i've only seen between 4 to 8 threads under heavy load. I usually DON'T see 8 threads under heavy load.
    You MAY have to go with the 3930k if you do want to upgrade anyway to get the most bang out of your board a few years down the road. Biostar isn't updating the board's info to verify IBE compatibility, even on their Taiwan site. In general, Biostar are very well built boards.

    I would recommend getting the new AMD X-290 when it's available as AMD's on a roll right now and that's the top card.

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    And since that's a hyperthreadding chip, they will still not see games max that chip's 8 threads for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Willaford View Post
    MATRIX 2 is mostly right. Since we assume you aren't doing a second screen for multitasking WHILE you game, the upgrade isn't going to help so much.
    I have the i73930k with 64GB ram and another box with the i7 970 with 24gb ram, BOTH are 12 thread hyperthreading 6 core chips, and, on most demanding games i've only seen between 4 to 8 threads under heavy load. I usually DON'T see 8 threads under heavy load.
    You MAY have to go with the 3930k if you do want to upgrade anyway to get the most bang out of your board a few years down the road. Biostar isn't updating the board's info to verify IBE compatibility, even on their Taiwan site. In general, Biostar are very well built boards.

    I would recommend getting the new AMD X-290 when it's available as AMD's on a roll right now and that's the top card.
    Thanks for the advice. Yeah, Iam waiting for the new AMD video cards the top one that they said it will be better than GTX 690 or Titan. I keep checking AMD websites but no information regarding the video card 290X yet.


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    Nice system, I'd hold off on the upgrade.
    I have an i7 4770 with a GTX650 2GB and stuff for me runs like a dream.

    So far the only time I've probably used the hyper threading is in video conversion which is crazy fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    Nice system, I'd hold off on the upgrade.
    I have an i7 4770 with a GTX650 2GB and stuff for me runs like a dream.

    So far the only time I've probably used the hyper threading is in video conversion which is crazy fast.
    Yeah, I will not upgrade my CPU just the GPU. I will wait for AMD video cards to come out the R9 290X. More news will come out soon as the video card will be released in the next up-coming weeks.


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    290X is gonna be expensive. Sources suggest 7299kr which is around 700

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphon_Filter View Post
    Iam waiting for AMD new video cards to come out th R9 290X I think its called. They said it will out power Titan or GTX 690 and cheaper. I don't think I can wait until late of next year.


    Yeah, the 6 cores is powerful but I attend to play games only and anything else.


    Than I keep my 3820 CPU.

    I don't stream games and I just play all my games 1080P, 60HZ, and all on ultra settings. I capture my games and upload them which is fine. But I don't do stream or overclock things.
    Then you really don't need to upgrade the CPU. I see you made that decision before but just saying. 8 cores really favor Xsplit/streaming, it does great for that type of thing. If I was ever going to upgrade and since I don't do anything like video editing, using premium or anything like that. I've never had a problem with their GPU's. As a matter of fact I like AMD GPU's.

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    Most game still only need 2 cores for fluid smooth gaming on the CPU part with extra cores it just helps spread the workload across thats all go for the GPU upgrades if that area you want the best for gaming followed by the CPU close behind but your current one will be fine. Heck on my rig below I plan on getting a new INTEL CPU next year or wait for there new line if they are planning on releasing one followed by the AMD R290 series GPU's I will buy a new 7950 or higher in January hopefully my 2600k still isn't been used to it's max potential


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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    290X is gonna be expensive. Sources suggest 7299kr which is around 700
    Here in North America it says it will be 599 some sources said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    Then you really don't need to upgrade the CPU. I see you made that decision before but just saying. 8 cores really favor Xsplit/streaming, it does great for that type of thing. If I was ever going to upgrade and since I don't do anything like video editing, using premium or anything like that. I've never had a problem with their GPU's. As a matter of fact I like AMD GPU's.
    For sure I will upgrade my video card and I can't wait any longer as I play games on my PC a lot. Either I will get the new AMD video card R 290X if it the price is around 600 or 699 which is ok for me or EVGA GTX 780.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphon_Filter View Post
    Here in North America it says it will be 599 some sources said.

    For sure I will upgrade my video card and I can't wait any longer as I play games on my PC a lot. Either I will get the new AMD video card R 290X if it the price is around 600 or 699 which is ok for me or EVGA GTX 780.
    ~$730.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    ~$730.
    How did you know that? Any sources confirmed that price 730?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphon_Filter View Post
    How did you know that? Any sources confirmed that price 730?
    http://www.techpowerup.com/191909/ra...ewegg-com.html

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    I hope it will be 699 lol. Thanks for the information.


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    The 280x will be a good card too. Is the 290 a dual GPU like the 7990?

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