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GDDR5 is a mature and relatively low latency product now, it's not unreleased unproven voodoo tech... it's well known and mature.
The only way it's uncomfortable to MS is they didn't use it and want to say it's a power hog. Okay, you do your thing, i'll take raw pure power across the board. The PS4 isn't in my hip pocket and I don't need it to sip battery power.
And yes the XMB absolutely will be interfering with games.
Have you seen snap like features on the PS4?
Last edited by John Willaford; 10-08-2013 at 05:09.
Yeah, I don't know who hired Penello to be the guy to explain technical things.
The Sith loves to post nothing but pro MS junk.Funny thing is its not coming from a 3rd party.First party Sony developers said Cell was a dream come true yet 3rd party developers hated it.When I see a 3rd party developers come out and say Xone is a pleasure to work with then I will keep quite.
Esram is a like closing up a gunshot wound with a bandaid.Sony was going to roll with a 4 gig console, but luck had it that 8 gigs was a reality.Sufi,you and Sith should get a room because both of you are in the same small boat.Sony built a gaming console first,MS built a multimedia device first gaming second and third.Also this isn't Ps3 vs 360,those systems were pretty different,though Ps3 had the best looking games of the gen.Ps4 has a huge bandwidth RoP, texture unit's Ace,Tflop 1 gig more of available ram, also a nice rumor that the Ps4 Os takes up just 1 core,and the Cpu has an extra 10gbs of bandwidth over the Xbone CPU. advantage and over time it will show.3rd party developers are all over Ps4 because its easy to use
Sony was going to go with a similar setup as the Xbone.Just they figured that eDRAM would hinder developers.Their were times where the eDRAM in the 360 was not used because it could not use a 720p frame buffer and use the 4x MSAA.Sony just cut out the bottleneck that is a 32mb scratch pad eSRAM.MS has jazzed it up, and I expect developers to get some fair results.I am a Sony guy but I want Xbone to work very good because I don't want to see Ps4 being held back.
I am tired ''Just got off work'' sorry about that.
Yea GDDR5 has came a long ways,to the point it won't really effect Sony's setup.GDDR5 uses more power, but it's cooler then DDR3.Which is another reason why Ps4 is a smaller design and the fact that Sony kept a simpler APU setup.
This link is helpful as it provides some actual latency numbers to compare between DDR3 and GDDR5
It goes into some info about how the CPUs from AMD are actually being designed to be less latency dependent (which makes sense if they are looking to go the GDDR5 route on there APU systems down the line) which could off load some of the described issues with GDDR. But then they also go into the actual timings of DDR3 vs GDDR5 and the numbers certainly don't look as disastrous or uncomfortable as its being made to sound.
Also shows performances comparisons between the same GPU using DDR3 or GDDR5.
Last edited by Peregrin8X; 10-08-2013 at 05:33.
AMD CPU's have ALWAYS been Bandwidth dependent and Latency resistant, while Intel is the opposite.
Now people are reading and researching these statements...
I don't mind being verified! lol.
"...I’ll save you the trouble and say that it’s between 10 – 12 for both DDR3 and GDDR5 varying heavily on the clock speed of either the DDR3 or GDDR5 AND in the timings they’ve chosen..."
With that 10 or 12 being nanosec response time, I think. IF that is the case, then at worst DDR3 is 9 or 10 ns response time and GDDR5 is 12 or 13.
MS has more money then god certain games like COD/BF anything that falls in the timed exclusive banner.I don't see MS throwing a money hat at every 3rd party developer just games that sell a lot on their console.
10-08-2013 #96certain games like COD/BF anything that falls in the timed exclusive banner.I don't see MS throwing a money hat at every 3rd party developer just games that sell a lot on their console.
Last edited by victorijapoosp; 10-08-2013 at 06:40.
We all know it does the background downloading, but we weren't talking about that.
There's also another custom chip to put the system in a low-power mode for background downloads. "To make it a more green hardware, which is very important for us, we have the ability to turn off the main power in the system and just have power to that secondary custom chip, system memory, and I/O -- hard drive, Ethernet. So that allows background downloads to happen in a very low power scenario.
Last edited by mynd; 10-08-2013 at 06:45.
So i edited mine to include that. Read it again. And the "I don't think so" is meaningless. Because it's more hot air from you. Provide your sources for which processors do what because you keep stating things, but never have proof.
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