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    Thuway from NeoGAF: Gap between PS4 and XBone to widen over generation

    Originally Posted by thuway

    If GAF wants it straight, this is how it is:


    At launch, the PS4 has the lead in multiplatform titles. The tools for ES RAM on Xbox One are still incomplete from what is being echoed on the inside track. They are having a tough time fitting things together in time for launch software, so you see these huge resolution differences.


    Once the tool chain improves, the resolution barrier will start diminishing-


    BUT...


    Post launch, when developers start taking advantage of compute on the PS4, despite Xbone's best efforts to get tools to work better, the gap will stay as large or widen. As far as I understand, the gap will always remain significant, but never in the realm of outside portability.


    This isn't an "opinion" btw.


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    So, yes, expect improvement from the XBone. It is a goddamn mess right now. However, PS4 also has quite a ways to go for optimization as well. It is very likely that PS4 will be the defacto target console once cross-gen games are phased out and GPU Compute starts to catch on. Also, there's that whole 32 ROPs thing to contend with.

    The two systems are nowhere near close, and better drivers and memory management tools will not equal Secret Sauce.

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    Ima say it again. None of this stuff matters to the majority which are the casuals who are going to purchase the consoles. U have your Nintendo fans, Sony fans and Xbox fans.

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    yup, there will be more megaton announcements before this year is over.

    i eagerly await the next bloodbath

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    Nothing surprising or unexpected here. Though its interesting to see that next gen is the reverse of this one where cell took time to master, but unlike this gen ps4 also has its share of aces up its sleeve

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    I'm kinda a noob with this Playstation stuff, but I was wondering if GPU Compute meant the PS4 cuts down on utilization of system bandwidth because the GPU is crunching stuff rather than stuff getting sent to the CPU to be processed? Also, since the PS4 uses some kind of hUMA, does that mean stuff doesn't have to bounce back and forth between separate pools of memory being used by each component also reducing system bandwidth usage?

    Or am I missing the whole point?

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    While I believe what he says is true. Who is thuway exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gantz View Post
    While I believe what he says is true. Who is thuway exactly?

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    Confirmed insider though I don't know if he's a dev or just someone with sources inside the industry. I've been following his posts since before the feburary ps4 reveal

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Luv_2_Game View Post
    Ima say it again. None of this stuff matters to the majority which are the casuals who are going to purchase the consoles. U have your Nintendo fans, Sony fans and Xbox fans.
    The casuals in my family and circle of friends will come to me for advice on their next console if their kid wants a console, which one is best.
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    ANOTHER MEGATON CONFIRMATION GUYS!

    thuway confirms Smartglass is "broken beyond belief"

    HOLY $#@!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praetor Illuminatus View Post
    I'm kinda a noob with this Playstation stuff, but I was wondering if GPU Compute meant the PS4 cuts down on utilization of system bandwidth because the GPU is crunching stuff rather than stuff getting sent to the CPU to be processed? Also, since the PS4 uses some kind of hUMA, does that mean stuff doesn't have to bounce back and forth between separate pools of memory being used by each component also reducing system bandwidth usage?

    Or am I missing the whole point?
    It means that the computing elements of the Radeon graphics cores are leveraged to do advanced physics and sound wave raycasting (the effects of the virtual environment on the sound field, such as echos, bouncing off of surfaces and any resonance that causes the surfaces, such as metal, etc) and various other small details that can have an impact on the visual, audio, or even gameplay experience (advanced AI decision making in parallel based on near simultaneous events and their outcomes) which are handled, for one reason or another, better or faster on the compute units than on the Jaguar cores FPU's or Integer units.

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    To summarize it. The PS4 will always be ahead of the Xbox One. Honestly, it's not that surprising. Good thing I pre-ordered the PS4.

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    It's was said on Gaf so that means it has to be true. xbox-one is doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Luv_2_Game View Post
    Ima say it again. None of this stuff matters to the majority which are the casuals who are going to purchase the consoles. U have your Nintendo fans, Sony fans and Xbox fans.
    And you have the game stores that influence the purchaser of whom don't know better. If the PS4 is really that powerful then can you honestly see game stores selling an inferior product that could potentially have returns?

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    I don't know if we'll see 'proper' differences between the 2. I figure at worst, it will be this 720p/1080p stuff that will be the biggest difference in 3rd party games at least.

    Exclusives? we'll see. Launch exclusives, so far, seem fairly equal. MS' first party studios will know best how to do it (kinda like PS3 exclusives > anything else this gen; at the very least, MS exclusives will be > 3rd party stuff).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post


    well u beat me to it

    i felt the info deserved its own thread

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    The launch window is going to be lonnnggg if this stuff turns out to be true. I think I haz enough popcorn

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    well well well, Albert continues to deflect questions with BS answers:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post


    The launch window is going to be lonnnggg if this stuff turns out to be true. I think I haz enough popcorn
    do you know what I've been noticing in a few topics on here from the competition. because honestly this is a console war but this is what I've notice from the otherside...



    And it's just getting worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrin8X View Post
    well well well, Albert continues to deflect questions with BS answers:

    Licensing issues of what? It's their own product? Wouldn't you want to market it it like that?

    If there are 3rd party licenses they don't want to show, then don't show those particular ones. Unless ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is "licensed" then yeah, fair enough I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    The launch window is going to be lonnnggg if this stuff turns out to be true. I think I haz enough popcorn
    Given all the negative Xbone rumors that have come true despite the same type of denial we are seeing in this thread its most likely legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrow View Post
    Given all the negative Xbone rumors that have come true despite the same type of denial we are seeing in this thread its most likely legit.
    The denial is on epic levels, but one thing I do know is Sony fans (especially on Gaf) are very talented Giffers lol
    Ya gotta see some of $#@! they do, I have no idea how they do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrow View Post
    Given all the negative Xbone rumors that have come true despite the same type of denial we are seeing in this thread its most likely legit.
    I'll withhold making assumptions. Solid details are in order. I hope for MS's sake (and the gamers) it isn't true... although a lot of casuals probably won't even care. Also, that popcorn gif is the funniest one I've seen so far... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
    I'll withhold making assumptions. Solid details are in order. I hope for MS's sake (and the gamers) it isn't true... although a lot of casuals probably won't even care. Also, that popcorn gif is the funniest one I've seen so far... lol.
    Which is why I said "most likely." Meaning not definite.

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