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    rumor: "Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues" whoops

    Ok, first off: the origin of the rumor. I was contacted by someone claiming to be a dev. He told me a bunch of info. I had no idea if it was true or not. I know a lot of people really hate me currently so I was very weary that I was being trolled by a well-informed person. I was looking for other sources for hours. Nothing. And then I got partial verification from another dev (not that he/she disagreed with part, but only knew part and said it was 100% correct) and then at once I got verification by two people who have never wronged me. So this isn’t flimsy but I’m still filing it under rumor because, well, it is. *But it isn’t.

    I’m putting it all out on the line here. I enjoy breaking leaks but if this is wrong I’m $#@!ed. I know this. This is how much I trust the people who have verified (and I hope for a CBoaT appearance).

    The short story is that Xbox Live and the OS, especially in functions that involve XBL, are a complete $#@!ing mess. One source says we aren’t talking weeks until it works correctly but “months.” Things like parties dropping people when moving from one thing to another. Connectivity issues. Missed invites. Friend requests not working, etc.

    He then said “If all you are doing is running a game and that’s the only app things are fine.”

    So why do think things are going wrong?

    “The system OS and network integration was written by a group of people who do not play games. They don’t understand why things were set up in the ways they were designed by J Allard back in ’05.”

    So… what changed?

    “Let me get into some technical detail regarding it – on 360, the OS handles all of the party and chat functionality. All you do is hook up the XBL VOiP OS API into your game, and it does most of the work for you.*With it results in is a shared experience across multiple entertainment. If you’re watching movies or playing games, you can do it together. However, this system is entirely different on Xbox One.*So, lets say me, you, and Thuway have xbox one’s that are online. We are signed in our profiles. Sitting at the home screen, we are considered to be in a “Xbox Party” on the server. There are no more ‘party leaders’. With that said if any one of us decide to start a game, the party is shifted over to that game’s party system. Each game now has their custom written VOIP.” (Pete note: shoutout to thuway!)

    “In essence, it is almost EXACTLY how it was on the PS3, and it is in those API “handshakes” that is breaking the online experience.”

    I asked if could be fixed soon. He said that anything is possible and Microsoft is obviously working on it but he thinks it will be months, not weeks. Getting online launch games certified is taking so long that it’s pushing games after launch back.

    Talking to a different developer he says: “Yeah, getting anything online to work was a pain for months, barely worked at the very end of last month. Adding friends, sending game invites or even achievements’ toasts could be a nightmare. I don’t know that much outside of “my” project, but from what I saw in others, online was always a problem. No idea if this will still be an issue at launch though, I think it would be too much, but it looks like it won’t be flawless at all.”

    As of now the Xbox One OS and XBL (the name for the XBL side of Azure is “Thunderhead”) are having major issues. Maybe it will be fixed in time, maybe it won’t. The obvious question to me was does this have to do with Microsoft reversing the DRM and having to strip it out (Pete note: That would partially make it my fault and I wouldn’t like that at all)?

    “This was happening either way. This was built into the OS long ago. The DRM-removal clogged their pipelines somewhat, but this blockage was always there. It’s just simply a way they setup the VOIP API*and how it would be handled. It was an oversight, not just voip, all of parties and network connectivity really.”

    Ok, anything else?

    “By the way, do not be surprised at the reaction you get from MS over this.”

    Yeah, I know.
    http://doddscientifics.com/2013/10/2...proach-launch/

    Uh oh....we will see at launch tho. I guess this was what cboat was talking about when he said 720p was the least of ms problem

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=UWIr5HUEP0c

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    Since you mentioned it, I didn't see 720p as being a problem.

    However, if actual OS capabilties is a problem, I might have to hold off on keeping the system. I'll need to see how it is on launch day.




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    Looking at how many negative Xbone rumors have actually become #truthfact this is probably true.
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    I'll put rumor on the thread title...I hope this actually turns out to be just that.

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    This must have been what the mods at NeoGAF were talking about when it came to staying in the bomb shelter. This is.. VERY troubling.

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    This would explain a lot:

    The system OS and network integration was written by a group of people who do not play games.
    At the February "TV-TV-TV-TV" reveal, my question was who are these people and why is it so obvious they probably don't play video games at all?

    Now, this is all coming together. Mattrick completely restructured the entertainment division with all his hand picked people. Maybe they are super coders but they aren't game coders. Now finding out the XBL cloud is Azure, and they are trying to implement netcode through that, could be a minefield. It's pretty obvious the largest effort went to the smart TV function, which failed to understand the weakness of needing a smart TV cable box to get those functions. Maybe they get stuff working better by launch day firmware update. Maybe they don't.
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    Yup, mynd you were partially correct! You called it. But why would they mess with something that was near perfect with the 360?

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    Thuway on Sony

    Sony has their own challenges and have been very coy about handing out machines with working online. Journalists are highly skeptical if PSN will work on Day 1 on PS4 since it has yet to go live.

    I know it's cool to throw MS into the furnace, but Sony has their fair share of issues as well. They are just not as transparent at the moment.

    That said, the $#@!ing complexity of running THREE OPERATING SYSTEMS, snapping, and silly concurrency of apps is causing a short term nightmare.
    http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=87771844

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    Thuway on Sony http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=87771844 Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
    Say goodbye to PS+ subscribers if that doesn't get sorted. Sounds like day one Xbone and PS4 adopters are just glorified beta testers. lol
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    rumor: "Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues" whoops

    Hmmm, interesting, sounds like an Obamacare type launch for the Xbone.

    ( PSN doesn't sound too much better but I'd expect it to be fixed faster because of the fact it only has one and not three O/S's to deal with.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    The first year is always beta testing.
    Yeah, this is true.

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    "Iím putting it all out on the line here. I enjoy breaking leaks but if this is wrong Iím $#@!ed."
    ďThe system OS and network integration was written by a group of people who do not play games. They donít understand why things were set up in the ways they were designed by J Allard back in í05.Ē


    ROFL...... This stuff is ridiculous.

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    Yup, at least we know what day 1 patch will include and what's left out. Let's see who will be more transparent with this issue. Maybe they'll both stay mum and fix it all up before launch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    Yup, mynd you were partially correct! You called it. But why would they mess with something that was near perfect with the 360?

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    I was? About what?
    The focus not being on the games but the O/S?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PS4THEWIN View Post
    Hmmm, interesting, sounds like an Obamacare type launch for the Xbone. ( PSN doesn't sound too much better but I'd expect it to be fixed faster because of the fact it only has one and not three O/S's to deal with.) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Yeah, I very seriously doubt that PSN is just going to not be there at all on launch day. lol Neither company is going to let that happen to their online service at launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I was? About what?
    The focus not being on the games but the O/S?
    Nah about ms suites messing with the system. It was in the 720p threads (1 of Em). You said you felt like something else was up, Meh I'll find it

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    12 months......till then both networks can be crap tee hee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    12 months......till then both networks can be crap tee hee.
    Hey now, dont wish bad things on us launch day gamers. But yeah, youre probably smart to wait it out. I just dont have the patience. lol

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    This thread, the first and second page. I don't actually think you were alluding to that ha

    http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...-720p-on-Xbone

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    12 months......till then both networks can be crap tee hee.
    Eh, I wish i could wait, but I've basically played out the 360 and I've beat all of my games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PS4THEWIN View Post
    Eh, I wish i could wait, but I've basically played out the 360 and I've beat all of my games. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Yep, I'm pretty done with this gen as well.

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    Thuway on Sony



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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    This thread, the first and second page. I don't actually think you were alluding to that ha


    http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...-720p-on-Xbone
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    Oh I was, not about the suits, but definitely about the O/S taking precedent over the games side of the system

    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    No idea, but it disappointing that we are a month away form launch and they don't seem to be able to get game performance sorted.

    Focus is clearly on "other things" (O/S)

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