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    Are you not worried though that there will only be 1 company operating this service and they will have the monopoly?
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    If BT wasn't privatised in the 80s and the government did not force BT to allow other Telecom companies to use their infrastructure and networks then we would have the same problem I think.

    That seems to be the issue in the US, all the providers have to build their own networks in various areas to offer people within those areas internet, and because none of them are obligated to allow other providers access to their networks so the problem of only having a couple of providers in certain areas that can charge whatever they heck they want.

    You can keep waiting for Google to offer you a good deal but it will take decades for 1 company to do it alone.

    Does that sound about right?
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    If BT were to put fibre in earlier it would have cost them 15 billion but it would have paid off tenfold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    If BT were to put fibre in earlier it would have cost them 15 billion but it would have paid off tenfold.
    Yes I remember in the early to mid 2000s when UK just about had 2Mbit and France and Germany had double figures because they had fibre infrastructure already in the main cities.
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    Because the Government allows companies to run rampant here.

    Tens of thousands of miles of fiber are already lied, and go unused, but they're unused by the big ISPs because they don't want to create a disparity in their service. If fiber is here then they'll need to offer it next door, and they don't want to shell out the grossly exaggerated costs to do that. They surely have no reason to as the big companies are all in cahoots with one another to keep service quality down and prices up for maximum profit. This is why you see towns and cities getting sued all the time when they try to locally add fiber, and also why companies like Time Warner and Verizon and freaking out over Google Fiber. It's cheaper to sue, buy out, or compete with lobbying than to actually upgrade their infrastructure.

    Which is bull$#@!, as the Telecommunications Act of 1996 was set by the Government to lay wire nationally. Money was set aside to help build the country-wide framework. America was planned to be way ahead of the game and offer fiber nationally before anyone else. Billions were given to companies like ATNT at the time, but then... the money disappeared. Whoops! Oh well, standard Government practice to give millions or billions for benefit projects that never actually happen. Just a drop in the yearly budget. Not that it would make a difference, because these companies have basically convinced the Government by now that it's an impossible project anyway. This is despite the fact that this was said for both the railroad and telephone network, yet it still $#@!ing happened.

    tl;dr Corporate America.
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    corporates' fault? give me news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    Are you not worried though that there will only be 1 company operating this service and they will have the monopoly?
    It's illegal to form monopolies here

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    We don't get bandwidth caps like many ISPs in other countries enforce, but I don't know how much that factors into it.

    EDIT: er, that sounds wrong. bandwidth of course is capped based on what you pay for, but we get unlimited use of it, no slow downs after a certain GB count is reached.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    Are you not worried though that there will only be 1 company operating this service and they will have the monopoly?
    They are not the only provider of fibre, there are others that do offer fibre products.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyRules View Post
    It's illegal to form monopolies here
    Indeed they are.
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    Okay I find it ironic people are $#@!ing about how much broadband costs while using broadband. It costs as much as people are willing to pay. Thats capitalism and unpopular as it is it has done more good in the world than any other economic model. Of course you can all take socialism the one form of economic and government fascism that has caused more deaths in the world then any other. That says a lot about it.

    The key to getting broadband prices lowered is competition. That means we have to stop governments from picking their favorites in market and causing quasi monopolies. Of course you can always have the government act like jackbooted thugs and force artificial low prices which of course will make it stagnant and innovation will die. Then when that bubble bursts like all social economic boondoggles do we all will be without internet. But dont worry before then the government will have already watched everything you ever did online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post

    That seems to be the issue in the US, all the providers have to build their own networks in various areas to offer people within those areas internet, and because none of them are obligated to allow other providers access to their networks so the problem of only having a couple of providers in certain areas that can charge whatever they heck they want.
    Sounds the same as Sky TV and satellite/digital broadcasting in large parts of our country.. They have their customers by the balls due to there being very little (if any) competition for the type of services they offer..

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    I think your post just gave me cancer.
    have to admit that was funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibby View Post
    We don't get bandwidth caps like many ISPs in other countries enforce, but I don't know how much that factors into it.

    EDIT: er, that sounds wrong. bandwidth of course is capped based on what you pay for, but we get unlimited use of it, no slow downs after a certain GB count is reached.
    The first time I heard of bandwidth caps was from this forum from a US member.

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    Rapture pretty much nailed it. Companies + government. That's the problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    have to admit that was funny
    The internet domain was free to access and was used so people all over the world could use it, you should only have to pay for the infrastrucutre of the broadband even though companys here do make a little profit from it!

    Cut out the middle man that's what I say!

    Quote Originally Posted by Malt View Post
    Sounds the same as Sky TV and satellite/digital broadcasting in large parts of our country.. They have their customers by the balls due to there being very little (if any) competition for the type of services they offer..
    Virgin Media have the most customers in this country but. I know what you mean they are the only company to offer prices competitavly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
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    Living in Michigan (US)......

    I can say that it is a lot of things. People as old as myself (an 80's baby) remember how fast dial-up spread throughout the country once PCs became affordable and people saw what could be done on the internet (even over a 28.8-56k connection/modem).
    The price for your local dial-up provider was around what JUST the broadband internet costs now. I bold "JUST" because it's not only the price of the provider's mid-level speed but it comes with the stipulation that you buy a "package". Few broadband internet providers will let you simply buy JUST internet from them. You want internet? You have to get, at the very least, their TV or home phone service with it. So, the package is one of the differences and is what makes the price of broadband so expensive here.
    I have cable through Comcast/Xfinity. I pay $180 a month for 10mbps internet (a clean full speed download or test sometimes has me downloading at 3mb/s & uploading at about 400kb/s), a pretty solid TV package that does not include any pay channels outside of my sports package (ESPNU, BIG10 Network, others) and home phone I literally don't even have plugged in. I cannot recall the last time I took or made a call from my home phone but it saves me no money to remove it so I keep it.
    Do I think that is an insane price for what I largely deem as my internet and the 15 channels I even give a crap about? Absolutely. Not defending Comcast. Ever. It's robbery and to make it worse the underground cable that feeds the neighborhood their, well, cable (lol) was cut in half by the morons that have been failing to fix my surrounding roads for the last 2 years. Ever since they did that my internet goes out every day, about every couple hours for sometimes as long as 20 mins and sometimes just a minute or so. Still, it's bad service/maintenance.

    Back on point....

    For all the gripes I have about the American Broadband System/Network (both internet and cellular), there are some things that just cannot be helped that lead to high prices.
    As mentioned, many areas are forced to deal with a company that has a monopoly over said area. If Comcast is your only option (it is in much of the country) than why would they not charge the price they see as the "Goldilocks" price to maximize profit? I think it's wrong and evil but if they know how important the populace views the need for internet these days why would a multi-billion dollar corporation NOT charge the price that is right at the edge of when a consumer would say "F-it, not paying that"? I live in an area that has 3 options: Comcast, Charter (even worse) and AT&T. Oh, technically DirecTV as I think they have an internet option as well. The fact is that satellite blows even for TV, let alone internet. Charter not only still delivers speeds that were considered low end 5 years ago but their service and customer support is non-existent. I had AT&T DSL before I switched to Comcast about 8 years ago and at first the internet speed switch was almost not noticeable (both downloaded at about 500kb/s), it was cheaper and i liked it. I switched because for about a year they moved their service out of my area, lol. Now, compared to Comcast boradband, AT&T is a joke so if you like to download large files under any legal terms the basic Comcast package destroys just about the best AT&T offers. Yet, it's still cheaper where I live so if not into downloading games/movies off PSN (or certain sites) it's a decent offer. Point being that some places don't have 2 options, let alone 4. Where there are no options there will always be gouging. Capitalist fact.
    This is where I almost have to stick up for these blood sucking companies and give probably the biggest reason why it is still so expensive and slow to keep up with the South Koreas, European countires, etc.
    A major reason that both bradband internet and cellular coverage is so expensive and behind some other countries is the sheer SIZE of the country these companies have to cover. We have states bigger than South Korea. Heck, I'm being silly but we have a couple cities almost as big, lol jk. The same goes for most other countries where the speed and price is at a better ratio than the United States as it's a size thing. You can take Japan, Scandinavia (pretty much all of industrialized Europe), South Korea, etc and fir them all in just the mainland USA. It's much easier, cheaper and efficient to wire a nation that has a land mass the size of the State I live in. I remember when I still had dial-up and I had a Swedish pen-pal that spoke of having a T1 line like it was no big deal, like everyone had access to it and this was about 2000-2001, LMAO.
    When a nation can have their government, a company or many wire the entire nation with fiber optics over the course of a couple years (sometimes less) that passes the savings onto the population. It's almost 2014 and there are still large chunks of the USA that have no broadband access! Literally no option. Many in the Montana/Dakotas/Utah/Nebraska areas still use dial-up. That leads me to my last point in this thesis, lol:

    As with dial-up, with more competition and access you will see prices drop and service improve. In fact, in that 2000-2001 era I spoke of there was this nationwide push for broadband in many heavily-modestly populated areas. My town of about 30,000 people had its first broadband carrier and even though the download speeds were about 50kb/s that was like going lightspeed compared to the 3-5kb/s you got off of dial-up using 56.6 modems. So, there was this period of about a year where dial-up was literally free if you knew where to go and what to do.
    First, in EVERY store, next to the register and donation box, you would find a stack of CDs that were free to take and offered free dial-up internet with the caveat of only having to deal with a tiny advertisement box you could even minimize while you surfed. Others would kick you off every 2 hours and make you wait 15 mins before loggin back in. Some would do both, lol. Basically, it was just about every company other than AOL desperately trying to keep people from going to broadband once it hit but it was actually going on before broadband came to town because there were "mom & pop" dial-up companies EVERYWHERE between 1998-2000. The phone book would have pages upon pages of them just in my town of 30k people. Why? How? The telephony infrastructure was built across the USA back in the middle of the 20th century. Starting a dial-up company was there for the taking and many tried to be the next AOL but were too late. Yet, all they had to do was invest in a few servers and get some phone numbers. Bam! Company. HAHA.
    As for America, most can get pretty good broadband right now but, admittedly, for a price and the companies like Comcast/Xfinity have us by the balls. Eventually, like the telephone system, the country will get wired and it will be like it is in South Korea, etc. Until then, there is too much money being made by too few and too much land to cover to get their product to everyone.
    Silver lining? As others said, new options like Fios and Google Fiber are slowly creeping along and I'd guess America is on par with the likes of South Korea in the 2020's. Finally, most American companies do not cap your usage due to them knowing what you pay for their service, lol. Technically, I think they all have stipulations but I've gone on week long 50GB+ a day binges and not been capped or charged extra or anything. I hear in Korea and much of Europe that many companies cap your DAILY usage. Not monthly but daily. Sometimes both. That'd drive me nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumdiddy View Post
    I can say that it is a lot of things. People as old as myself (an 80's baby) remember how fast dial-up spread throughout the country once PCs became affordable and people saw what could be done on the internet (even over a 28.8-56k connection/modem).
    The price for your local dial-up provider was around what JUST the broadband internet costs now. I bold "JUST" because it's not only the price of the provider's mid-level speed but it comes with the stipulation that you buy a "package". Few broadband internet providers will let you simply buy JUST internet from them. You want internet? You have to get, at the very least, their TV or home phone service with it. So, the package is one of the differences and is what makes the price of broadband so expensive here.
    I have cable through Comcast/Xfinity. I pay $180 a month for 10mbps internet (a clean full speed download or test sometimes has me downloading at 3mb/s & uploading at about 400kb/s), a pretty solid TV package that does not include any pay channels outside of my sports package (ESPNU, BIG10 Network, others) and home phone I literally don't even have plugged in. I cannot recall the last time I took or made a call from my home phone but it saves me no money to remove it so I keep it.
    Do I think that is an insane price for what I largely deem as my internet and the 15 channels I even give a crap about? Absolutely. Not defending Comcast. Ever. It's robbery and to make it worse the underground cable that feeds the neighborhood their, well, cable (lol) was cut in half by the morons that have been failing to fix my surrounding roads for the last 2 years. Ever since they did that my internet goes out every day, about every couple hours for sometimes as long as 20 mins and sometimes just a minute or so. Still, it's bad service/maintenance.

    Back on point....

    For all the gripes I have about the American Broadband System/Network (both internet and cellular), there are some things that just cannot be helped that lead to high prices.
    As mentioned, many areas are forced to deal with a company that has a monopoly over said area. If Comcast is your only option (it is in much of the country) than why would they not charge the price they see as the "Goldilocks" price to maximize profit? I think it's wrong and evil but if they know how important the populace views the need for internet these days why would a multi-billion dollar corporation NOT charge the price that is right at the edge of when a consumer would say "F-it, not paying that"? I live in an area that has 3 options: Comcast, Charter (even worse) and AT&T. Oh, technically DirecTV as I think they have an internet option as well. The fact is that satellite blows even for TV, let alone internet. Charter not only still delivers speeds that were considered low end 5 years ago but their service and customer support is non-existent. I had AT&T DSL before I switched to Comcast about 8 years ago and at first the internet speed switch was almost not noticeable (both downloaded at about 500kb/s), it was cheaper and i liked it. I switched because for about a year they moved their service out of my area, lol. Now, compared to Comcast boradband, AT&T is a joke so if you like to download large files under any legal terms the basic Comcast package destroys just about the best AT&T offers. Yet, it's still cheaper where I live so if not into downloading games/movies off PSN (or certain sites) it's a decent offer. Point being that some places don't have 2 options, let alone 4. Where there are no options there will always be gouging. Capitalist fact.
    This is where I almost have to stick up for these blood sucking companies and give probably the biggest reason why it is still so expensive and slow to keep up with the South Koreas, European countires, etc.
    A major reason that both bradband internet and cellular coverage is so expensive and behind some other countries is the sheer SIZE of the country these companies have to cover. We have states bigger than South Korea. Heck, I'm being silly but we have a couple cities almost as big, lol jk. The same goes for most other countries where the speed and price is at a better ratio than the United States as it's a size thing. You can take Japan, Scandinavia (pretty much all of industrialized Europe), South Korea, etc and fir them all in just the mainland USA. It's much easier, cheaper and efficient to wire a nation that has a land mass the size of the State I live in. I remember when I still had dial-up and I had a Swedish pen-pal that spoke of having a T1 line like it was no big deal, like everyone had access to it and this was about 2000-2001, LMAO.
    When a nation can have their government, a company or many wire the entire nation with fiber optics over the course of a couple years (sometimes less) that passes the savings onto the population. It's almost 2014 and there are still large chunks of the USA that have no broadband access! Literally no option. Many in the Montana/Dakotas/Utah/Nebraska areas still use dial-up. That leads me to my last point in this thesis, lol:

    As with dial-up, with more competition and access you will see prices drop and service improve. In fact, in that 2000-2001 era I spoke of there was this nationwide push for broadband in many heavily-modestly populated areas. My town of about 30,000 people had its first broadband carrier and even though the download speeds were about 50kb/s that was like going lightspeed compared to the 3-5kb/s you got off of dial-up using 56.6 modems. So, there was this period of about a year where dial-up was literally free if you knew where to go and what to do.
    First, in EVERY store, next to the register and donation box, you would find a stack of CDs that were free to take and offered free dial-up internet with the caveat of only having to deal with a tiny advertisement box you could even minimize while you surfed. Others would kick you off every 2 hours and make you wait 15 mins before loggin back in. Some would do both, lol. Basically, it was just about every company other than AOL desperately trying to keep people from going to broadband once it hit but it was actually going on before broadband came to town because there were "mom & pop" dial-up companies EVERYWHERE between 1998-2000. The phone book would have pages upon pages of them just in my town of 30k people. Why? How? The telephony infrastructure was built across the USA back in the middle of the 20th century. Starting a dial-up company was there for the taking and many tried to be the next AOL but were too late. Yet, all they had to do was invest in a few servers and get some phone numbers. Bam! Company. HAHA.
    As for America, most can get pretty good broadband right now but, admittedly, for a price and the companies like Comcast/Xfinity have us by the balls. Eventually, like the telephone system, the country will get wired and it will be like it is in South Korea, etc. Until then, there is too much money being made by too few and too much land to cover to get their product to everyone.
    Silver lining? As others said, new options like Fios and Google Fiber are slowly creeping along and I'd guess America is on par with the likes of South Korea in the 2020's. Finally, most American companies do not cap your usage due to them knowing what you pay for their service, lol. Technically, I think they all have stipulations but I've gone on week long 50GB+ a day binges and not been capped or charged extra or anything. I hear in Korea and much of Europe that many companies cap your DAILY usage. Not monthly but daily. Sometimes both. That'd drive me nuts.
    What I find funny is the internet has no patent all these top execs have arguments over who will pay and they are forgetting the objective to make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    Virgin Media have the most customers in this country but. I know what you mean they are the only company to offer prices competitavly.
    Maybe because its availible in the cities and big towns, but in my post I said 'in certain areas'.. We don't all live in the cities and those of us who don't only have Sky as a viable option if you want premium TV..

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