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I don't think you realize what you're talking about.
I just got my CCW and had to go through a course and certification process.
According to the posted story, everything this guy did is entirely legal and within his rights. In fact, as I recall, even if the weapons had not been brandished against him he would have been within his rights to shoot the men as they were holding up the store owner at gun point. At least, in North Carolina that would have been justified.
It was an armed crime with the life of an innocent (if not yourself) was threatened. While you are not compelled by law to intervene, you are protected by it if you do.
Generally speaking, you are allowed to react to force arrayed against you in equal measure. I.e., if somebody just calls you a slur you can't shoot them. If they punch you once you're probably on shakey ground to shoot them. If they threaten you with deadly force that could potentially result in loss of life (knife, gun) you are within your rights to kill them on the spot. This includes other individuals.
So if I see a man stabbing a woman to get her purse, I can blow his brains out in the attempt to save her life.
The wiggle room here is whether or not you "fear for your\their life". Discretion is involved there.
A store owner having two armed men shove guns in his face and demanding his money is a situation where this is appropriate.
Edit: also depends on castle doctrine\duty to retreat. I think the notion of having a responsibility to retreat is basically bull$#@!, but it is required in certain states.
Last edited by Vulgotha; 11-08-2013 at 05:48.
Also I don't see anything in what you qouted from me that suggests I would have done the same thing this citizen did. If you read what I said without an agenda. Just take it for what it is I'm simply saying based off the report in the OP that the citizen chose to get involved after things had calmed. He didn't attempt to do anything until the perps tried to flee it also says that there was a struggle that had lead to him shooting the two men. Which suggests that he attempted to detain one of the men and that ultimately lead to the gunfight. Idk about you but if I had a gun on me there would be no struggle you wouldnt have even been able to get close to me.
This is a prime example of someone within their legal rights. But this is not what happened in this case the crime had been committed and suspects were attempting to flee they were outside of the store. Leaving the scene of the crime and were confronted. If he didn't have a gun on him he probably wouldnt have done anything but he sat and watched the robbery and thought I'm gonna catch these bad guys.
@F34R in this video you see no struggle no questioning of what should I do you just see a brave patron spring into action and defend the lives of the people at the crime scene. He also makes no attempt to catch the theives hes just simply concerned about the lives of himself and other individuals. The man in the Op decided he was going to act and again I stress this after the crime was committed he prevented nothing saved no one.
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Meh, that video is completely different than what happened, reportedly, in this incident.
You keep saying that the crime had already been committed. When he tells them he's calling the cops, another crime started. He defended himself. /end
You did say you'd do what this guy did. They threatened him, and had weapons to follow through with that threat. Isn't that what you said you'd do if someone threatened you and had the guns?
As far as the struggle issue in this case... well, don't assume too much. I can say that the suspects tried to take his phone, and then pointed guns at him. That is a struggle, and then they threatened him with a gun. He kills them. Done.
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To fire a gun you should have weapons training. Even if he was going to kill a man, a death in the family is going to have ripple effect on society. Who knows what this robber would have become in the future he could have become a charitable man and you judge him without him even killing somebody4k mmmkay
I carry and if someone pointed a gun at me I'd shoot them too. That's kind of the whole point of me carrying. For protecting myself and my family.
I love how the families say "he was a good boy"... Who was shot n killed after drawing a gun on someone after just robbing a store at gunpoint. If that's a good boy I'm the damned Pope.
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