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    When Sony makes hardware for something it is geared toward that consumer. In otherwise they don't try and make calculators for people who want cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Sony pushed a technological advance in Hardware they didn't push an operating system sony has been making hardware fir long as it has been in existence or perhaps you think televisions wasn't hardware?

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    the point is they both used their platforms to push their technology. If Sony made windows they would probably do the same. Same with ms if they were part of the BR association. Apple does it with their os too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    When Sony makes hardware for something it is geared toward that consumer. In otherwise they don't try and make calculators for people who want cars

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    I don't think there's any one correct point of view on this. On one side... you can say Blu-ray was essential for the next generation of games... allowing for larger games to fit onto a single disc... instead of over several discs. The other side is Sony was simply trying to push their Blu-ray format into millions of PlayStation 3s... which put Blu-ray players in that many homes... and that ultimately lead to its defeat of the HD-DVD format. I think it's a mix of both, honestly. It would be silly, though, to say outright that Sony only put Blu-ray into the PlayStation 3 as a selfless act for the gamers. Sony is a business first before anything else.
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    Anyone in the UK know an online retailer that is still taking pre-orders online for release day? (not game, shopto or zavvi)

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    Sure it was expensive but I could not imagine the PS3 without HDMI or Blu-Ray. Whether some like it or not, it did help advance games and PS3 first party ran like wild fire with it. It might have had other benefits for SONY like killing HD-DVD but the gamer won too, especially now days with < $200 PS3's on shelves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
    I don't think there's any one correct point of view on this. On one side... you can say Blu-ray was essential for the next generation of games... allowing for larger games to fit onto a single disc... instead of over several discs. The other side is Sony was simply trying to push their Blu-ray format into millions of PlayStation 3s... which put Blu-ray players in that many homes... and that ultimately lead to its defeat of the HD-DVD format. I think it's a mix of both, honestly. It would be silly, though, to say outright that Sony only put Blu-ray into the PlayStation 3 as a selfless act for the gamers. Sony is a business first before anything else.
    Exactly. They are really no different than any other business. They all exist for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    its not just about what they have in assets though.They probably have more than the competition there. It's about revenue,operating/net income and equity. Total equity is way down. I think hitting the sales target is the key to a much needed boost.

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    For the record,I never said sony was going anywhere. I hope they don't because we all gain by them remaining in the game. Leaving it all to MS is a dangerous thing to do. I do think they will hit their sales target. That would take some of the pressure of Kaz. They will be getting my dollars next year though.
    m'kay....link is irrelevant unless the point is "make or break" time for Kaz. Kaz is not Sony. The viability of Sony isn't at stake for years to come and then they have so much assets that could be liquidated or sold off such as Sony Pictures. So yeah....assets are kinda important in the long haul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    m'kay....link is irrelevant unless the point is "make or break" time for Kaz. Kaz is not Sony. The viability of Sony isn't at stake for years to come and then they have so much assets that could be liquidated or sold off such as Sony Pictures. So yeah....assets are kinda important in the long haul.
    The link sort of backs up what I said about them meeting sales target, so it is relevant . I really don't see why you guys are downplaying the fact about the importance of meeting launch sales targets. It matters. No one is saying that they are doomed if they don't, but they will be better off if they do. Kaz is the president and CEO of Sony so it does all fall on him. He is the one who has to answer to the shareholders/investors. I don't think it will come to them having to sell off or liquidate anything, but you are making that sound like its something good if they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    The link sort of backs up what I said about them meeting sales target, so it is relevant . I really don't see why you guys are downplaying the fact about the importance of meeting launch sales targets. It matters. No one is saying that they are doomed if they don't, but they will be better off if they do. Kaz is the president and CEO of Sony so it does all fall on him. He is the one who has to answer to the shareholders/investors. I don't think it will come to them having to sell off or liquidate anything, but you are making that sound like its something good if they did.
    Except the article you linked. And I didn't say anything about it not being important to meet sales targets. I said it wouldn't "break" Sony if they didn't. So....we agree. Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Except the article you linked. And I didn't say anything about it not being important to meet sales targets. I said it wouldn't "break" Sony if they didn't. So....we agree. Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Except the article you linked. And I didn't say anything about it not being important to meet sales targets. I said it wouldn't "break" Sony if they didn't. So....we agree. Good.
    The article is just saying they would be better off if they did meet expectations. It would make things much smoother. I would say that it's more fact than fiction at this point. It's been smooth sailing for Sony since the reveal. They'll do fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
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    The article is just saying they would be better off if they did meet expectations. It would make things much smoother. I would say that it's more fact than fiction at this point. It's been smooth sailing for Sony since the reveal. They'll do fine.
    Of course it is fact. And if the article title said "May Well Be Sony will be 'better off' if they meet sales expectations" then the whole board would respond with a resounding "no $#@!!" But that isn't what it said, now is it? "make or break for struggling Sony"

    So again we agree.....the article title is bull$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
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    Of course it is fact. And if the article title said "May Well Be Sony will be 'better off' if they meet sales expectations" then the whole board would respond with a resounding "no $#@!!" But that isn't what it said, now is it? "make or break for struggling Sony"

    So again we agree.....the article title is bull$#@!.
    You lost me there. I don't see how it's bull$#@!. It says "may" well be make or break which means its performance may affect what happens in the long term. Basically, they have a lot riding on the next few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    You lost me there. I don't see how it's bull$#@!. It says "may" well be make or break which means its performance may affect what happens in the long term. Basically, they have a lot riding on the next few months.
    There is no "may". Not meeting the target will not break Sony. Jesus...you said so yourself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    There is no "may". Not meeting the target will not break Sony. Jesus...you said so yourself!
    I think you're taking it too literally. What happens in the next few months won't determine sony's fate, but could play a part on what happens in the future. It seems you are just reacting to the title and not paying attention to the article itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I think you're taking it too literally. What happens in the next few months won't determine sony's fate, but could play a part on what happens in the future. It seems you are just reacting to the title and not paying attention to the article itself.
    You are just not paying attention. What was my first sentence in this thread?

    "Article's title is misleading."

    So yeah....article title was my entire point. Thanks for catching up. ffs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    You are just not paying attention. What was my first sentence in this thread?

    "Article's title is misleading."

    So yeah....article title was my entire point. Thanks for catching up. ffs
    I would agree that it's misleading if they didn't follow up with an explanation as to why they came up with that. It's not misleading you into thinking anything other than ps4s performance is critical .


    "How fast the PS4 comes off the blocks will be a closely watched indicator of Hirai’s performance," he explained. "If they miss targets, there will be a lot of questions about whether they can turn things around.”


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    I feel like I'm reading the same posts 50 times.

    The title is misleading, regardless of any "follow up".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
    I feel like I'm reading the same posts 50 times.

    The title is misleading, regardless of any "follow up".
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    What if Elop takes over and puts Xbox division up for sale? What if Sony then sell "sony pictures" for its $40bn value and then buy the xbox division for cheap?

    :O

    It's looking make or break for Larry Hyrb, Albert Penello and Phil Spencer. I doubt their PR "skills" nor "strategies" will be necessary any more. It will lay waste to a whole community of astroturfers, strawmen, FUD spreaders and liars.

    Agent Harrison's mission will finally be complete. He will ride into Sony HQ on horse back clutching a fully QA tested Master copy of "The Getaway 3" for PS5 that he forced RARE and 343 studios to make.

    Edit: It's looking make or break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victorijapoosp View Post
    What if Elop takes over and puts Xbox division up for sale? What if Sony then sell "sony pictures" for its $40bn value and then buy the xbox division for cheap?

    :O

    It's looking make or break for Larry Hyrb, Albert Penello and Phil Spencer. I doubt their PR "skills" nor "strategies" will be necessary any more. It will lay waste to a whole community of astroturfers, strawmen, FUD spreaders and liars.

    Agent Harrison's mission will finally be complete. He will ride into Sony HQ on horse back clutching a fully QA tested Master copy of "The Getaway 3" for PS5 that he forced RARE and 343 studios to make.

    Edit: It's looking make or break.

    Edit 2: It really is looking make or break!
    Wishful thinking indeed, would be the single biggest even in gaming to ever happen thus it will never happen.

    That said if Elop gets in then both Sony and MS's games divisions will really have to prove their worth in the next 2 years. If so then don't expect the price wars of the past, I'm not even expecting them now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabjabs View Post
    Wishful thinking indeed, would be the single biggest even in gaming to ever happen thus it will never happen.

    That said if Elop gets in then both Sony and MS's games divisions will really have to prove their worth in the next 2 years. If so then don't expect the price wars of the past, I'm not even expecting them now.
    Whooosh.

    BTW prove themselves to who? Why would Playstation have to prove themselves to Elop? He's the one who tanked Nokia.

    If you are referring to customers, Take a look at PS2 and PS1 Eras = Landslide victory = economies of scale = Cheap hardware = huge install base = TONs of games. The games are where playstation make their money.

    If Xbox is killed by Elop, Good riddance. A proper gaming focused company like Valve and Steambox or the return of Nintendo will easily fill that void next, next gen.
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