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    i was browsing the gaf thread on this very subject and let me tell you reading all the comments from corporate apologists was hilarious and sad at the same time.

    MS dun goofed

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    oh btw... Best Buy is gonna rake in the moolah with this nonsense.

    "Bring in your day 1 xbox one system for our Geeksquad pros to install the day 1 update, all for the cheap price of $99 dollars"


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    I hate Geek Squad so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
    I hate Geek Squad so much.
    as do i

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
    I hate Geek Squad so much.
    Even the name's derogatory.

    Remember this? Farcical exploitation.


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    They're criminals... and they're not even good at what they do. They hire high schoolers to try and sell you software packages... or overcharge you for simple tasks like... installing free software for an astronomical fee. The only reason they remain in business is because they're a part of Best Buy... and people are immensely naive. Back when I used to do IT work... half of my business was due largely in part to people bringing their computers in to undo everything Geek Squad did so their computers would work normally again. Fun times.

    They've gotten in a lot of trouble for stealing people's data as well. A solid company. This college girl went undercover and installed spy software on her computer before giving it to Geek Squad. She wanted them to install iTunes... and they charged her $40 dollars. When they were done installing iTunes... the guy went into her pictures folder and copied all of her photos to his thumb drive. Then he rearranged some icons to make it look like he did something useful. She then put the video of the Geek Squad job online and it made it to the news with the title "Is Geek Squad Stealing Your Information?"

    Awesome stuff.
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    Good God! Seriously best buy. Way to take advantage of customers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    Good God! Seriously best buy. Way to take advantage of customers.
    That's actually their motto: "Best Buy: Taking Advantage of Customers."

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    Gaming on all platforms right now.

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    Aaaand don't forget:



    What is the whole Banderas thing? Just somethin' random from GAF?

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    I wonder which system has the smallest day 1 update, my data is small so this is key, we know Xbone is 500mb.

    -[ Over half of the 100~ish UHD Blu-rays on the market ]-
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    Quote Originally Posted by A7MAD View Post
    oh wow

    tell me you got this from gaf

    either way, im going to my "other home"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    I wonder which system has the smallest day 1 update, my data is small so this is key, we know Xbone is 500mb.
    I want to say it was 300mb for Sony. I'm in the same boat. I have a very low data cap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Obviously. I was arguing the fact that you dnot need a os to perform commands.

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    You can perform commands that will connect to the Internet and download a software update and install it, it has an OS. I'm thinking we're defining OS differently. I'm thinking something barely more sophisticated than the BIOS and I think you think I mean something as sophisticated as QDOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    Good God! Seriously best buy. Way to take advantage of customers.
    ever since circuit city went under, they became obese, lazy, incompetant and complacent.

    they are no longer competitive. should be called Worst Buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    I want to say it was 300mb for Sony. I'm in the same boat. I have a very low data cap.
    By numerous reports from various sources it is 300MB for PS4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A7MAD View Post
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    Aaaand don't forget:



    What is the whole Banderas thing? Just somethin' random from GAF?
    It's funny - Mr. Banderas is probably well oblivious to the fact that he's some sort of gaming icon.
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    Okay I called a dev friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous and he's cleared up the "no OS on shipping XOne" issue. There's no OS per se. There's a bootstrap loader in firmware which is hardcoded to run a program, also in firmware, that displays the accustomed Xbox on-screen keyboard. There's a sheet in the box printed with this (prerelease implementation, not final):

    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
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    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
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    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804


    You type that in with your controller on the on-screen keyboard and then joystick over to the return key, hit return. The rest takes care of itself. On the reverse of the sheet are various inspirational messages. You can do it! It's really not so much. You're almost there. Bet you never thought you'd get such a workout with a game controller! Don't quit now, you're only an hour from playing Dead Rising 3! Stuff like that.

    So, finally, we know how it's going to work. Whew.

    (I've had an Xbox One Day One edition preordered for launch day delivery since June so I'm authorized to post stuff like this without accusation of bias. Really. Microsoft sent us photo ID cards. Says "Special Agent, Division of Snark" right there under my name.)

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    I hope SONY releases fw1.5 a few days before release so I can stick it on a flash drive and have my console all ready to go in mere minutes. You just know those servers are gonna be bombarded and slow as hell come Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N0REGARD4LIFE View Post
    I hope SONY releases fw1.5 a few days before release so I can stick it on a flash drive and have my console all ready to go in mere minutes. You just know those servers are gonna be bombarded and slow as hell come Friday.
    If their servers are bogged down because of a patch... I don't think Gaikai will be very successful.

    Seriously though, I think it'll be okay. ._.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    It is absurd that anything is sold not working out if box. You don't sell a product that isn't at least usable out if box.

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    I think for 99% of the launch window buyers this won't be an issue. They'll have internet and do an update. I'd suspect that the units that are coming off the production line post the updated OS being ready will be shipped with the updated OS, or at least a disc tossed in with the release day OS on it.

    While I think both Sony and MS haven't heard the last of the 'Launch Day OS upgrade required' woes (I think those will occur during respective launch weekends) I think both will have been forgotten by the end of the holiday season and have little to no impact on the adoption of either console.

    For me personally, I intend to DL the PS4 update to a flash drive to make things go quicker and ensure smooth operation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sanfordmay View Post
    Okay I called a dev friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous and he's cleared up the "no OS on shipping XOne" issue. There's no OS per se. There's a bootstrap loader in firmware which is hardcoded to run a program, also in firmware, that displays the accustomed Xbox on-screen keyboard. There's a sheet in the box printed with this (prerelease implementation, not final):

    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
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    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
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    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804
    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804


    You type that in with your controller on the on-screen keyboard and then joystick over to the return key, hit return. The rest takes care of itself. On the reverse of the sheet are various inspirational messages. You can do it! It's really not so much. You're almost there. Bet you never thought you'd get such a workout with a game controller! Don't quit now, you're only an hour from playing Dead Rising 3! Stuff like that.

    So, finally, we know how it's going to work. Whew.

    (I've had an Xbox One Day One edition preordered for launch day delivery since June so I'm authorized to post stuff like this without accusation of bias. Really. Microsoft sent us photo ID cards. Says "Special Agent, Division of Snark" right there under my name.)
    Yeah, I'll call BS on this.

    It's just a repeating of

    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804

    Which looks like Address followed by 8 16bit (16 Bytes) of data. Which makes sense for the address offsets between lines. But that's about enough to do just about nothing, LOL.

    I'd say at best your friend is $#@!ing with you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockWave View Post
    Even the name's derogatory.

    Remember this? Farcical exploitation.

    What do they mean by "only" ($129)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    Yeah, I'll call BS on this.

    It's just a repeating of

    00105e0 e6b0 343b 9c74 0804 e7bc 0804 e7d5 0804
    00105f0 e7e4 0804 e6b0 0804 e7f0 0804 e7ff 0804
    0010600 e80b 0804 e81a 0804 e6b0 0804 e6b0 0804

    Which looks like Address followed by 8 16bit (16 Bytes) of data. Which makes sense for the address offsets between lines. But that's about enough to do just about nothing, LOL.

    I'd say at best your friend is $#@!ing with you.
    Sorry. I forgot to wink. It was a joke. I copied the hex from a Wikipedia page. Now way I was going to go in and change the addresses for even that many lines, which of course as program code are so very few they'd do tantamount to nothing.

    I was just being sarcastic. It's hardly ideal to require a half hour or so of update on launch day -- you're right, in later shipments the XOne will have the OS iteration current at manufacture on preinstalled -- but on the other hand, so long as MS makes the process run smoothly, it's not a launch day deal-breaker either. You can do a lot more with a PS4 out of the box without its day-one update, but you can't do various important things like play online. Necessary or somewhat necessary day-one updates annoy people but they're double-edged swords. It's a pain to wait to do anything but it can often be less pain than dealing with a game or hardware that shipped broken WITHOUT a day-one update, or the hardware launch was delayed because the software wasn't ready when they had to start shipping out the boxes.

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