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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    In my opinion there's not really a point in getting an SSD. I know the bootup and speed of Windows is nice, but they're still too expensive for the dollars paid. He can always buy one once they become cheaper in the next year or two. I'd also search for cheaper parts in the other components (not the CPU obviously). Here's my suggestions:

    EVGA GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 - 500$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130942

    Intel Core i5-4670K - 240$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tel-_-19116899

    ASUS Z87-A LGA 1150 Intel Z87 - 130$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

    G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 - 115$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231615

    Why not the OEM 64-bit of Windows 7? - 99$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832416776

    Thermaltake 750W ATX 12V 2.380 PLUS GOLD Certified - 80$ (47% off)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153170

    Western Digital 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s - 65$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA2W00YU4026

    LITE-ON DVD Burner - 17$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289

    Total: 1,246$. This leaves enough for the case and shipping. Choosing the case is a very personal thing, so I've left it up to him.

    + Higher quality PSU
    + Twice the HDD space
    + Twice the RAM
    + Slightly faster RAM

    - Not sure if the GTX 780 is worth it over the R280X. Benchmarks between the two seem to go either way depending on the game.
    I have Windows 8 and that HDD. From the computer shut down to being able to launch an application, it takes just a couple of seconds. I think it comes from the Fast Startup option, which probably means a large file somewhere, but with a 1TB HDD that's not going to make an impact. I can see why people want SSD's, but that option/feature makes them almost useless in terms of boot-up times.

    And to PS4THEWIN, learning how to build the PC should be fairly easy. It's almost like one of those kids blocks with the circle, triangle, square and cross... there's really only one spot most of the components plug into. I learned how to build a system years ago in middle-school when dial-up was still the thing and the only tutorial for how to do things was working at the local CompUSA. I just put pieces in to wherever they fit and luckily never broke anything (or shorted anything, I've never dealt with the wrist straps). With all the online sources now, I have no doubt you'll be able to quickly and easily figure it out.

    As to entering the world of PC building, don't be discouraged if you order a part and it's dead on arrival. It's happened to most of us. I built a PC around Christmas a couple years back and was stuck without a motherboard for a while trying to get it returned (it all worked out in the end, just holiday and weather traffic delays).

    And finally, welcome to debates much more driven than what existed between PS3 and 360. Every component you choose will have some supporting you and some disagreeing (strongly). The good news, though, is that in the end both groups come together to celebrate the joyous event that is the Steam Sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    OK, then that's going to make the budget a little tighter. I would recommend something general, like a 24" 1080p monitor (probably something from Acer), a cheap buckling spring keyboard for about 20$, a 15-20$ wired mouse, and 30-50$ 2.0 or 2.1 speakers. That would work perfectly fine. But there's higher quality stuff available if you want to spend the extra crash (such as mechanical keyboards).

    For now, go pick out what kind of monitor and case you want. If we roll the hardware back to 8GB and the R280X then the budget should hold.
    Now that I really think about it, I could probably salvage a keyboard, mouse and speakers from my 2004 desktop that's in pieces somewhere in my garage.

    So all that would be necessary would be a new monitor.



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    I'm quite interested in this monitor…

    http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs248hp

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    Asus VS248H-P 1080p 60Hz 24" Monitor - 180$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=3938566&SID=


    Saphire R280X Toxic GPU - 400$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202044

    Intel Core i5-4670K - 240$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tel-_-19116899

    ASUS Z87-A LGA 1150 Intel Z87 - 130$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

    G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1600Mhz (PC3 12800) - 52$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ILL-_-20231567

    OEM 64-bit of Windows 7 - 99$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832416776

    Thermaltake 750W ATX 12V 2.380 PLUS GOLD Certified - 80$ (47% off)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153170

    Western Digital 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s - 69$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA2W00YU4026

    LITE-ON DVD Burner - 17$
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289


    Total: 1,267$

    Great. This leaves plenty leftover to work with. BBK recommended this case, but now it's price seems to have gone back up. Personally? I'd recommend any one of CoolerMaster's HAF models. I have the HAF 912 (59$) and it's served me extremely well. Cheap and effective, and it has a space behind its backplate for routing cables. But the higher quality cases are there if you want. It's totally up to you.

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    I was looking at the 912 for a recent build. I liked the spacing for longer video cards and assume the fans were better than other cheap cases that included them. Ended up just using an old case though (I think from sometime in the early 2000s/late 90s) and just got a 4-pack of Cooler Master fans for $15. They've been quiet and push enough air. An older build has that Antec 900, after 5+ years the fans still run quiet, though one of the front ones did die earlier this year.

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    I used to have the cooler master HAF 922 for my last build. A good case but they love to suck the dust in.


    Edit: Looking at Raptures recent build I'd go for what he had though i'd switch Windows 7 for Windows 8 and also with the money you've saved i'd switch that monitor and spend the extra $100 on this one

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236313
    144Hz ASUS monitor.

    My monitor is only 120Hz but once you get used to gaming on it traditional 60Hz screens aren't as nice. They just feel choppy. It's hard to explain what I mean if you aren't used to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    I used to have the cooler master HAF 922 for my last build. A good case but they love to suck the dust in.
    Yeah, my 912 seems to collect a lot of dust, but of course that just means the dust filter on the front (and bottom) is doing its job well. I only need to clean out the inside maybe once a year because of it.

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    Mine got real bad, maybe I just had a dusty room.

    My current case is real good for not letting dust inside. I have a Corsair 800D and after having it run for about 5 months there isn't a single bit of dust inside.

    Going to mod my case in February which should be fun. Going to cut a hole in the bottom so I can put in a 240mm radiator in the bottom to water cool 2 GTX780s

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    Probably, because it doesn't make sense that one case would attract more dust than another. Though I imagine fan placement and flow could affect that.

    Do you already have any water cooling setup? Is it particularly difficult to setup or maintain? I was thinking my next gaming rig (in about 2 years) should be built around it.

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    Perhaps. My friend currently has my old rig whilst he is waiting to get his new machine.

    Yeah man, so far in my current build I've done just the CPU but i intend of adding in the GPUs to go fully watercooled. it requires maintenance every 6-8 months and while it isn't particularly difficult to set up it is quite a nerve racking experience but as long as you read up on it and go carefully it is relativity easy. Just a bit fiddly in some parts. One thing I noticed is that no matter how many guides I read they always seemed to make it sound more complex than it is.

    If you've looked into it already then I'm sure you'd see how expensive it is. My loop for just my CPU cost me about 400/$700 all in but that is because I chose decent quality parts.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
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    Spent most of the day building my PC. Just need to put in my GPUs now


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    That's a post i put in the 'Your Computer' thread back when I first built it. It is missing the GPU but it more or less looks like that.
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    That's one thing I love about my Antec 1200 .Virtually no dust gets inside the Tower at all ,plus it comes with Washable Filters which I clean once a month

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    Quote Originally Posted by John25 View Post
    That's one thing I love about my Antec 1200 .Virtually no dust gets inside the Tower at all ,plus it comes with Washable Filters which I clean once a month
    My uncle swears by his Antec 1200. I would've got that had I not got the 800D


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    If you've looked into it already then I'm sure you'd see how expensive it is. My loop for just my CPU cost me about 400/$700 all in but that is because I chose decent quality parts.
    Well, no water cooling for me then.

    Pretty much everything I have has to be bought or built on a budget. Unless my income suddenly jumps in the next two years then I'll just stick with my general setup strategy: cheap but functioning parts, pour most of the money into a single GPU and CPU, and avoid anything extra costs where possible.

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    Nice my last case was an ATRIX 300 which had a 3 inch LCD Display which monitored the CPU/HDD Temps/Revs & when I was looking for a new Tower I tried finding one which had a Display on it ,till I realized that I barely even looked at it on my old case :P

    But yea I recommend the 1200 to anyone thinking about a new tower as it's Quiet & keeps the temps cool too ,& they drop a fair bit if you Turn the fans up ,it's taller than the HAF Case but not as wide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Well, no water cooling for me then.

    Pretty much everything I have has to be bought or built on a budget. Unless my income suddenly jumps in the next two years then I'll just stick with my general setup strategy: cheap but functioning parts, pour most of the money into a single GPU and CPU, and avoid anything extra costs where possible.
    Yeah it is very expensive for what it is when you consider you can get a good quality air cooler for a fraction of the price. I was just in a situation to do it for this build as I was buying it over a few months so it wasn't that big of a hit. Though now i have the pump, reservoir and radiator I think any build I do from now on will be using watercooling.

    Depending on what you are cooling down you can do watercooling for relatively cheap, still more expensive than air, but around half the price of my loop.

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    As for dust. What you need to do is keep a positive air pressure by having more fans pushing air in via the places that have the filters than sucking out, that way dust is less likely to be sucked in via tiny cracks.
    Noctua make super quiet fans but they are not cheap, each fan costs the same as 4 regular fans of the same size.

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    Yea the Fan on my Xig Aegir Cooler is whisper Quiet was actually one of the Quietest Coolers on Frosty techs list when I bought it .lol my Stock 1100T Thuban chip Cooler used to sound like I lived next to the main Runway @ heathrow

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    So, have you picked your case out yet? Once you do you're pretty much ready to go on building your PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    So, have you picked your case out yet? Once you do you're pretty much ready to go on building your PC.
    I'm still looking into everything, Money has gotten a bit tighter so i've sort of put it on the back burner for a bit, though I am planning on finishing my build by Summer.

    Also, I'd like to say thank you to everyone who commented in this thread, you've helped me get going on the right path in regards to PC building.

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