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    Substance Engine Benchmark reveals PS4 CPU faster than X1's

    Substance Engine is an algorithmic texture generation middleware and according to benchmarks published on GamingBolt the PS4 CPU is faster than the Xbox One:http://gamingbolt.com/substance-engi...s-respectively

    Both systems have 8 core Jaguar based CPUs from AMD, but prior to release Microsoft was promoting the fact that their CPU was clocked higher at 1.75Ghz. The benchmarks here imply the PS4 CPU is actually running at 2Ghz in order to produce 14 MB/s versus 12 MB/s for the Xbox One. The other possibility is that these figures are for the whole CPU and not a single core as labelled. In that case it would imply PS4 is using 7 cores at 1.75Ghz versus 6 cores at the same frequency.

    Since this tech is purely algorithmic on CPU and not boiund by bandwidth we can't look to the PS4's GPU or GDDR5 to explain the difference. The only logical conclusion is the PS4 has a faster CPU, despite Microsoft's protestations to the contrary.Sony has never officially disclosed the PS4's CPU clockspeed.

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    Benchmark: PS4 CPU is superior to Xbox One

    In this era of next gen consoles, we’re seeing the emergence of engine developers at a much faster rate than before, compared to the days where Unreal Engine and CryEngine would hog the headlines. Allegorithmic’s Substance Engine which is used to drastically reduce the file size and provides unique visual effects by using dynamic effects in real time, is another example, and supports just about every platform available including the PS4 and Xbox One.
    Interestingly while demonstrating texture generation speed, DXT compressed, using Substance Engine, for one CPU, it was found that the PlayStation 4 is able to generate 14MB/s of textures compared to 12MB/s for the Xbox One. Obviously, the Intel Core i7 trounces both of them rather easily at 26 MB/s. Check out the table above.
    [Note: DXT is DirectX Texture Compression which can be useful for images without drastic color changes but is somewhat harder and lossy than Zlib compression]
    As mentioned above, some of the benefits of Substance include reducing file size which makes the engine useful for the likes of PlayGo which is one of the pivotal features of the PlayStation 4. Substance can easily integrate with several industry standard engines like UDK, Unity Maya and others. It will be interesting to see whether developers will be using this tool to make better games.
    Primary source: http://gamingbolt.com/substance-engi...s-respectively

    Gaf: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=737629


    Vetted developer Matt confirms: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=50


    This is pretty good evidence that the PS4 has a CPU advantage over the Xbox One in addition to its other technical merits. What I found most interesting, however, was that a single PS4 CPU core is over 50% as powerful a top of the line i7 core. That's not bad, especially in a dedicated gaming device.

    Unless I'm missing something here, the gap between an i7 quad (frequency depending of course) and the PS4's CPU is minimal when all is said and done, given that PS4 has 8 cores though 1-2 are reserved for the OS.

    This could, roughly, mean that instead of 55% as powerful as an i7 quad it's closer to 75% net (at least in this benchmark) thanks to additional cores.
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    thats good sony used a power cpu for the ps4 this will help in the long run also

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    Well well well... What do we have here?

    PS4 GPU and CPU are both the most powerful ever seen in a console?

    If the PS4 CPU is running at 1.75ghz or 2ghz What is the knock on implication on the GPU Ghz? is it still the rumoured 800Mhz ish or more?
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    Maths is biased! It keeps telling me the PS4 is 50% more powerful than XboxOne!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Primary source: http://gamingbolt.com/substance-engi...s-respectively

    Gaf: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=737629



    Vetted developer Matt confirms: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=50


    This is pretty good evidence that the PS4 has a CPU advantage over the Xbox One in addition to its other technical merits. What I found most interesting, however, was that a single PS4 CPU core is over 50% as powerful a top of the line i7 core. That's not bad, especially in a dedicated gaming device.

    Unless I'm missing something here, the gap between an i7 quad (frequency depending of course) and the PS4's CPU is minimal when all is said and done, given that PS4 has 8 cores though 1-2 are reserved for the OS.

    This could, roughly, mean that instead of 55% as powerful as an i7 quad it's closer to 75% net (at least in this benchmark) thanks to additional cores.
    Hopefully we will start seeing this extra power soon...

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    its early to see the extra power right now, but i believe we will see it in naughty dogs next game, hell even in killzone shadow fall the graphics still $#@!ing amaze me



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    So much for that one advantage...

    Um Victor, I'm pretty sure the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than what's in the ps4

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    So much for that one advantage...

    Um Victor, I'm pretty sure the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than what's in the ps4

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    Are you sure? I've never heard that before.

    Anyway how did this get moved to the versus section? the slightest mention of ms and it gets moved, This $#@! is ludicrous, How the hell is anyone supposed to discuss PS4 hardware specs? Even when a thread is created where MS is not mentioned - the usual rent-a-crowd will derail it into a versus and have it moved.

    Can we just create a thread on the PS4 discussion area and call it "PS4 could have 1.75ghz- 2.0 ghz CPU according to substance engine benchmark." It's ridiculous that all the tech spec talk pertaining to PS4 get moved to a hidden corner on the forum.


    MOVE IT BACK. THIS IS A PLAYSTATION FORUM - THIS IMPORTANT PS4 SPEC POINT.
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    Maths is biased! It keeps telling me the PS4 is 50% more powerful than XboxOne!
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    So much for that one advantage...

    Um Victor, I'm pretty sure the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than what's in the ps4

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    really? i haven't heard that either. maybe in theory?



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    Not true, except in specific applications. PS4 CPU dominates it, Mynd has better details.


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    YEAH, like I said/thought, the 8 Jaguar cores are about an i5 in speed. Yep, Check and Check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Willaford View Post
    YEAH, like I said/thought, the 8 Jaguar cores are about an i5 in speed. Yep, Check and Check.
    i got an i5 on my laptop and i love it, its fast as hell



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    Quote Originally Posted by victorijapoosp View Post
    Are you sure? I've never heard that before.

    Anyway how did this get moved to the versus section? the slightest mention of ms and it gets moved, This $#@! is ludicrous, How the hell is anyone supposed to discuss PS4 hardware specs? Even when a thread is created where MS is not mentioned - the usual rent-a-crowd will derail it into a versus and have it moved.

    Can we just create a thread on the PS4 discussion area and call it "PS4 could have 1.75ghz- 2.0 ghz CPU according to substance engine benchmark." It's ridiculous that all the tech spec talk pertaining to PS4 get moved to a hidden corner on the forum.


    MOVE IT BACK. THIS IS A PLAYSTATION FORUM - THIS IMPORTANT PS4 SPEC POINT.
    The benchmark primarily functions as a comparison between CPUs and more specifically PS4 and X1's. Its not a playstation exclusive topic. We can still discuss both machines

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    Of course its in the Vs section :P 14 Vs 12.
    *Claps hands clean* I guess this wraps it up for this generation, was a good fight.

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    I wonder if PS4 will be the go-to console for multiplats this gen...I'd assume so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I wonder if PS4 will be the go-to console for multiplats this gen...I'd assume so.
    I wouldn't be surprised tbh. Although last gen was a bit different because of the difficulty of development on the cell, although more powerful. But this time the playing field is level so I would think the PS4 would be the go to with the power difference.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I wonder if PS4 will be the go-to console for multiplats this gen...I'd assume so.
    With the Dual Shock 4 and the PS4's streaming twitch options it'll be the competition sports console too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    With the Dual Shock 4 and the PS4's streaming twitch options it'll be the competition sports console too.

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    X1 doesn't stream Twitch? I assumed it did.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PS4freak View Post
    X1 doesn't stream Twitch? I assumed it did.
    Nope, likely never will. They claim they can patch it in but that is BS, PS4 has 256mb inbuilt dedicated hardware for a reason.

    Games are already struggling to keep up as is.
    Slower CPU/GPU minus dedicated hardware, lolz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDizzleNO1 View Post
    really? i haven't heard that either. maybe in theory?
    Cell can reach and sustain ~200GFlops performance in tasks that fit it well and are reasonably simple.
    The AMD chip found in X0 and Ps4 has theoretical performance of ~100Gflops. (programmable, the estimation doesn't take account all those extra fixed function hardware found in the systems. (video encode/decode, sound, zlib decompression etc.)

    In general spaghetti code found in games the new chip is a lot better than the PPE found in X360 or Ps3.
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    Wait, did people originally think that the XB1 had the better CPU, or something? I thought it's been clear for a while that the PS4 was essentially superior in every (important) way, just not how much exactly.
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    Nah people were fed by ms that the cpu was better because of the panick up clock they did. Now we find out that the ps4 had the more powerful cpu, now imagine if they didn't do the up clock they were so proud to announce back then lol

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    Squirting out those last few mHz just to stay relevant..

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