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    What Sony's '4.2 Million PS4s Sold' Figure Actually Means

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    Itís certainly fun to compare Sonyís 4.2 million PS4s sold vs. Microsoftís 3 million and draw all kinds of conclusions. But the truth is that both consoles were virtually sold out through the holidays. Anecdotally the Xbox One was a little easier to get your hands on this holiday season, but it will be the coming months that truly reveal whether either console will experience sustained demand, or if they just launched strong and will now fade fast in a similar manner as the Wii U.We can draw three real conclusions from these stats:
    1) The Wii U is in real trouble.
    Both Sony and Microsoft nearly erased Nintendoís year-long lead in a matter of weeks. Both consoles will be in more homes than the Wii U soon, if they arenít already.
    2) The console business is extremely healthy.
    PC gaming may be thriving. Mobile gaming may be thriving. But it seems neither category is growing at the expense of the traditional game console. Itís impressive to see just how much stronger and faster the launch of the PS4 and Xbox One were when compared with the problem-plagued launches of the PS3 and Xbox 360.
    3) We have a long way to go.
    Fanboys can quibble over launch figures all they want, and they do matter - momentum is extremely important. But with both the Xbox One and PS4 likely to sell 80 million+ units in their lifetime, no one should spend much energy getting overly excited about the first couple million. Itís still the opening few minutes of the game.




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    #2 remains to be seen tbh, they were obviously gonna sell a few mil at/after launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronSOLDIER View Post
    #2 remains to be seen tbh, they were obviously gonna sell a few mil at/after launch.

    And lol @ the sig, Lefein
    Sales at launch outpaced PS3 and 360's sales at launch though. It's a sign of a healthy industry.




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    What it really means is if that gap keeps growing or even keeps showing interest of growing devs will no longer be looking to make exclusive deals with MS and may even force MS to eventually drop the parity clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    What it really means is if that gap keeps growing or even keeps showing interest of growing devs will no longer be looking to make exclusive deals with MS and may even force MS to eventually drop the parity clause.
    I wonder what is the true cost of developing a multi-platform game vs. developing a first-party game. A developer probably receive incentives and supports from console makers to make exclusives. But what are the costs, and the opportunity costs?

    I wonder if it's possible where one console sold so much more than the other, it no longer makes sense for developer to make multi-platform games due to development cost not breakeven.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    What it really means is if that gap keeps growing or even keeps showing interest of growing devs will no longer be looking to make exclusive deals with MS and may even force MS to eventually drop the parity clause.
    Maybe.

    But MS is too big, too much cash to be able to bruteforce-buy a few titles here and there. The parity clause maybe, but still, devs still have no incentive to make it better/push the PS4 over from what they'v already made a game to be (i.e. the lowest common denominator).

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Maybe.

    But MS is too big, too much cash to be able to bruteforce-buy a few titles here and there. The parity clause maybe, but still, devs still have no incentive to make it better/push the PS4 over from what they'v already made a game to be (i.e. the lowest common denominator).
    But we already know the answer. It happened poignantly in the PS3 generation. Developers that really slacked off took a bath in sales while Sonys first party titles showed off what the console could actually do which in turn put pressure on developers to polish there games up (eventually, not at first albeit).

    PS4 raises the ante by a large degree. We've actually seen it happen with two launch titles, believe it or not. NBA Live 14 got SKUNKED by NBA2K14 in sales and in reviews. It's one thing for a publisher to think they can cut corners in the growing years, but some other publisher/developer is going to push the envelope and steal their lunch when they do.

    People make this mistake a lot when it comes to XBox, but in the long-term it doesn't hold water. Sony was very smart in architecting the PS4 to be accessible to developers this time around as well as much more powerful (percentage-wise speaking, no fanboyism argument necessary). Microsofts endless well of money only gets them so far. Third party is not in the business of pissing off gamers. No one is going to purposefully set fire to their golden egg-laying goose for the sake of console wars. More importantly, the XBox division has not turned a profit for MS up to this point. So they don't need to be setting fire to their money to prove a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    More importantly, the XBox division has not turned a profit for MS up to this point. So they don't need to be setting fire to their money to prove a point.
    With MSFT finding a new CEO, perhaps the direction of the company may change. Who knows lol.




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    What it really means is: the company that dominated 2 previous generations by a long shot and came second to the Wii fad is now back as top dog.
    Put simply, SONY has crafted the perfect machine for 2014 even with new competition like Steam Boxes.

    I can see an easy 50million lead over Xbox One and of course Wii U. Can it top the PS2 tho, hm.
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    Steam boxes aren't any competition to the PS4.

    50 million lead? Yeah, sure. I think the PS4 will have a healthy and very comfortable lead, but not by 50 million.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    What it really means is: the company that dominated 2 previous generations by a long shot and came second to the Wii fad is now back as top dog.
    Put simply, SONY has crafted the perfect machine for 2014 even with new competition like Steam Boxes.

    I can see an easy 50million lead over Xbox One and of course Wii U. Can it top the PS2 tho, hm.
    50 million lead is not likely...




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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    What it really means is: the company that dominated 2 previous generations by a long shot and came second to the Wii fad is now back as top dog. Put simply, SONY has crafted the perfect machine for 2014 even with new competition like Steam Boxes. I can see an easy 50million lead over Xbox One and of course Wii U. Can it top the PS2 tho, hm.
    50 million lead? Lets not get carried away now. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    50 million lead is not likely...
    Um yes it is, until Xbox One updates with Twitch streaming and other core PS4 features plus some sort of graphic parity PS4 is going to steam roll to the lead.
    Right now we have Xbox Ones sitting on shelves, they couldn't even match the PS4's demand and its ok, its been an uphill battle for Microsoft since day 1

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    I think it is lost on people right now that the gap between PS4 and XBone is far greater than the gap between the 360 and PS3 sales-wise. To call into question the PS4s momentum in markets such as the UK and especially the US this early on is most unwise. Those two territories alone carried the 360. This time around, the stage is set for a winner-takes-all kind of gen.

    This is all before a single PS4 has gone up on a shelf in Asia. Food for thought.
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    The ps3 is behind in the states by 15m and behind in the uk by 3m.

    If those sales were equal then the ps3 would be up by 18m

    Edit:The ps4 is leading in the states and Uk. Of course not by millions yet but everywhere else is still Sonyland. 50m, ehh, doubt it. But we see where things are going. It's so very simple.
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    Right now there is not a single PS4 on a shelf collecting dust, no matter where the next shipment lands it will likely be sold. Times this by pretty much every region and we have a good 2, 3 or 4 million sold the second they land.

    And that 50million unit lead is only half of what the PS2 manged xD
    Microsoft has their work cut out for them. Firstly they need a CEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    Sales at launch outpaced PS3 and 360's sales at launch though. It's a sign of a healthy industry.
    Well that's understandable considering how small the Xbox brand was in 2005 and the price of the PS3 in 2006, give them a few years and if they''re still outpacing PS360 then we can say we have a healthy industry. Overall sales this gen won't be as high as last gen though, there's no Wii like numbers from Nintendo this time so it's pretty much up to Sony to replicate those PS2 numbers as best they can. I doubt the XBO will do much more than 50 like I've said in the past.
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    I want Naughty Dog to explore new game genres, not regurgitate cinematic corridor shooters for another generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    Um yes it is, until Xbox One updates with Twitch streaming and other core PS4 features plus some sort of graphic parity PS4 is going to steam roll to the lead.
    Right now we have Xbox Ones sitting on shelves, they couldn't even match the PS4's demand and its ok, its been an uphill battle for Microsoft since day 1
    20 mil lead is likely. not 50 though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronSOLDIER View Post
    Well that's understandable considering how small the Xbox brand was in 2005 and the price of the PS3 in 2006, give them a few years and if they''re still outpacing PS360 then we can say we have a healthy industry. Overall sales this gen won't be as high as last gen though, there's no Wii like numbers from Nintendo this time so it's pretty much up to Sony to replicate those PS2 numbers as best they can. I doubt the XBO will do much more than 50 like I've said in the past.
    Pretty dead on, imo. Wii expanded the market like no console other before it. Problem is that the market has contracted again and it is going to be left to core gamers to sustain the industry. So I think you are right that numbers will be down this gen from last.
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    Um ps4's are on shelves in Brazil correcting dust lol...too expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Pretty dead on, imo. Wii expanded the market like no console other before it. Problem is that the market has contracted again and it is going to be left to core gamers to sustain the industry. So I think you are right that numbers will be down this gen from last.
    Most casual Wii customers have gone to tablets now, it'll be difficult to bring them back to home consoles even with Wii Fit U etc.
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    They bet on the wrong horse. The casual-only gamer is long gone. The mid-core console gamer will go where the hard core goes. Mark my words, the XBox One zigged when the market zagged. WiiU is in the exact same boat. The market is Sonys for the taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    They bet on the wrong horse. The casual-only gamer is long gone. The mid-core console gamer will go where the hard core goes. Mark my words, the XBox One zigged when the market zagged. WiiU is in the exact same boat. The market is Sonys for the taking.
    Yep, thats a pretty accurate summary right there.

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