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    I don't think there is much to worry about as far as xb1 goes. We know it will be around at least 10 more years. Personally, it wouldn't bother me if this is the last xbox or playstation console. I don't see myself buying another one for personal use after this gen ends. I'm hoping there won't be a need for the hardware in the year 2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    who are those "top tier investors" you speak of and what percentage of shares do they own?
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=MSFT+Major+Holders

    Holder Shares % Out Value* Reported
    Vanguard Group, Inc. (The) 366,593,433 4.42 12,200,229,450 Sep 30, 2013
    State Street Corporation 343,007,487 4.13 12,831,910,088 Dec 31, 2013
    Capital World Investors 251,826,813 3.03 8,380,796,336 Sep 30, 2013
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 211,474,666 2.55 7,037,876,884 Sep 30, 2013
    FMR, LLC 192,851,153 2.32 6,418,086,371 Sep 30, 2013
    Bank of New York Mellon Corporation 160,326,770 1.93 5,335,674,905 Sep 30, 2013
    Invesco Ltd. 151,795,975 1.83 5,051,770,048 Sep 30, 2013
    Capital Research Global Investors 151,268,009 1.82 5,034,199,339 Sep 30, 2013
    Wellington Management Company, LLP 128,989,190 1.55 4,292,760,243 Sep 30, 2013
    Northern Trust Corporation 110,197,966 1.33 3,667,388,308 Sep 30, 2013

    Not surprised to see that mostly asset managers in the top 10 institutional investors. Not sure about individual owners though, not sue if that is even public.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=MSFT+Major+Holders

    Holder Shares % Out Value* Reported
    Vanguard Group, Inc. (The) 366,593,433 4.42 12,200,229,450 Sep 30, 2013
    State Street Corporation 343,007,487 4.13 12,831,910,088 Dec 31, 2013
    Capital World Investors 251,826,813 3.03 8,380,796,336 Sep 30, 2013
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 211,474,666 2.55 7,037,876,884 Sep 30, 2013
    FMR, LLC 192,851,153 2.32 6,418,086,371 Sep 30, 2013
    Bank of New York Mellon Corporation 160,326,770 1.93 5,335,674,905 Sep 30, 2013
    Invesco Ltd. 151,795,975 1.83 5,051,770,048 Sep 30, 2013
    Capital Research Global Investors 151,268,009 1.82 5,034,199,339 Sep 30, 2013
    Wellington Management Company, LLP 128,989,190 1.55 4,292,760,243 Sep 30, 2013
    Northern Trust Corporation 110,197,966 1.33 3,667,388,308 Sep 30, 2013

    Not surprised to see that mostly asset managers in the top 10 institutional investors. Not sure about individual owners though, not sue if that is even public.
    Thus easy to 'deny'.

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    I doubt it after a record breaking profits last quarter xbox brand is here to stay. Folks should be orried about the ps brand that may not be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    I doubt it after a record breaking profits last quarter xbox brand is here to stay. Folks should be orried about the ps brand that may not be around.
    lol you wish




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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    lol you wish
    Lol...im sure you people read Sony Financial report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    Lol...im sure you people read Sony Financial report.
    why dont you enlighten us oh great sith?




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    I doubt it after a record breaking profits last quarter xbox brand is here to stay. Folks should be orried about the ps brand that may not be around.
    You wouldn't be worried if the PS brand isn't around? (silly question I know...)

    I'd be worried if the Xbox or Nintendo wasn't. I just don't care who ends up running/owning them is all (maybe Apple or whomever is likely to jack up prices).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    why dont you enlighten us oh great sith?
    Oh I'll sum it up for you:

    Since 2007:
    Sony lost billions, makes meager profits (anywhere betwen 4 million and -$140million) sporadically for a quarter.
    MS made billions, recouped all loses on original Xbox, and continue to make money.

    If the same cautious eyes on here want to denounce Xbox as some sort of loss making exercise, then hell knows what they think of Sony's performance since 2006.
    I am no longer participating in these forums, I wish all of you on the PSU Forums the best for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    Lol...im sure you people read Sony Financial report.
    Yes, we know.
    Sony lost a lot of money in the yearly financial but returned to black in the latest quarter.
    Kinda off topic though.

    Quote Originally Posted by mynd
    MS made billions, recouped all loses on original Xbox, and continue to make money.
    Should sum it up.

    All investors know is that the Xbox business is still several billion dollars in the red, primarily from the cost of originally entering the games business and for research & development for the Xbox One. And although it is now making a profit you can see from the graph that it’s a very negligible one compared to Microsoft’s other divisions.


    http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/11/invest...-xbox-4299255/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    Yes, we know.
    Sony lost a lot of money in the yearly financial but returned to black in the latest quarter.
    Kinda off topic though.
    Whats good for the goose, I have no idea why people think MS lost money on the Xbox long term or otherwise.
    Applying that across the board all we would have in the industry is Nintendo...shudder....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Whats good for the goose, I have no idea why people think MS lost money on the Xbox long term or otherwise.
    Applying that across the board all we would have in the industry is Nintendo...shudder....
    Investors believe Xbox is still in the red, posted a quote above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Oh I'll sum it up for you:

    Since 2007:
    Sony lost billions, makes meager profits (anywhere betwen 4 million and -$140million) sporadically for a quarter.
    MS made billions, recouped all loses on original Xbox, and continue to make money.

    If the same cautious eyes on here want to denounce Xbox as some sort of loss making exercise, then hell knows what they think of Sony's performance since 2006.
    Remember this parity-parading post when you're applying 'critique' towards PlayStation stuff mynd.

    That logic works both ways - and I'd like to see it from the "Pixel counting circle jerk" (our aptly renamed forum) regulars and those that like to interact with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Whats good for the goose, I have no idea why people think MS lost money on the Xbox long term or otherwise.
    Applying that across the board all we would have in the industry is Nintendo...shudder....
    AFAIK The OG Xbox 1 was the only one that had a loss.

    TBH, I don't think the main point is whether they are black/red financially speaking - whether it's viable or even if it is something the investors at MS would want to have resources on

    (e,.g them wanting to be enterprised-focused, certainly rules out the Xbox division, among others, whether profitable or not).
    Last edited by Admartian; 02-12-2014 at 01:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    Yes, we know.
    Sony lost a lot of money in the yearly financial but returned to black in the latest quarter.
    Kinda off topic though.
    That is true but their stock continues to fall and they're still losing a lot of money. I watched this thing on Bloomberg site where one of the top analyst said that they should exit electronics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    That is true but their stock continues to fall and they're still losing a lot of money. I watched this thing on Bloomberg site where one of the top analyst said that they should exit electronics.
    Yep, Sony still have a long road ahead of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    Investors believe Xbox is still in the red, posted a quote above.
    Well even I can see that graph and tell them they aren't in the red..jeez.
    The only thing that holds them back is that warranty write off now.
    Do note I said they made money back on the original Xbox. Yes that billion dollar warranty still hangs aorund their neck
    Another good year and they will be completely in the black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Well even I can see that graph and tell them they aren't in the red..jeez.
    The only thing that holds them back is that warranty write off now.
    Do note I said they made money back on the original Xbox. Yes that billion dollar warranty still hangs aorund their neck
    Another good year and they will be completely in the black.
    Confused me at first as well but then realised the graph only shows from 2005 to current.
    Missing the investments of the first Xbox (pulls random year from hat) 1998 onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    That is true but their stock continues to fall and they're still losing a lot of money. I watched this thing on Bloomberg site where one of the top analyst said that they should exit electronics.
    Sony and PlayStation isnt going away anymore than the Xbox is. But you seem pretty quick to believe in the demise of the PlayStation while criticising and accusing other people of "hoping" that the Xbox gets killed off. More double standards.
    Last edited by mistercrow; 02-12-2014 at 02:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Oh I'll sum it up for you:

    Since 2007:
    Sony lost billions, makes meager profits (anywhere betwen 4 million and -$140million) sporadically for a quarter.
    MS made billions, recouped all loses on original Xbox, and continue to make money.

    If the same cautious eyes on here want to denounce Xbox as some sort of loss making exercise, then hell knows what they think of Sony's performance since 2006.
    I thought we're talking about the Xbox brand and the PS brand? Neither products are its company's sole offering... Sony got other products and services, same as MSFT. FY2013 YTD, PS products yielded 12% of sales across all products, that's pretty significant. So no, if Xbox isn't going anywhere base on its sales and profits, by the same logic, neither is the PS brand.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrow View Post
    Sony and PlayStation isnt going away anymore than the Xbox is.
    Never said they were. Either way i'm ok because i don't plan on buying anymore consoles after this one. I'm perfectly fine with this being the last. We can't deny that sony does need a turnaround in the next few years or it won't be good. Playstation alone can't sustain them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    So no, if Xbox isn't going anywhere base on its sales and profits, by the same logic, neither is the PS brand.
    Pretty much this.
    I am no longer participating in these forums, I wish all of you on the PSU Forums the best for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    why dont you enlighten us oh great sith?
    You ask and you shall recieve please watch vidro.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/sony-...EQeSxFYag.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    I doubt it after a record breaking profits last quarter xbox brand is here to stay. Folks should be orried about the ps brand that may not be around.
    Lol. You funny. Makes you be less scared?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    You ask and you shall recieve please watch vidro.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/sony-...EQeSxFYag.html
    and PS was one of the top profitable sector. Xbox was one of least profitable sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serinous View Post
    I thought we're talking about the Xbox brand and the PS brand? Neither products are its company's sole offering... Sony got other products and services, same as MSFT. FY2013 YTD, PS products yielded 12% of sales across all products, that's pretty significant. So no, if Xbox isn't going anywhere base on its sales and profits, by the same logic, neither is the PS brand.

    I don't think they are asking MS to shut it down. I don't even think that is even put on as a table.

    Who would shut down a profitable business? I think they are asking them to sell it off to another company or make a spinoff separate entity since it does not go well with their core business.

    Yea. MS's core strength does't seem to be Xbox or Bing. Money made on Xbox is so tiny, it may not be worth their time and trouble. May even hinder other sectors. Or that would be the argument brought by those proposing Xbox sell off.
    Last edited by AttackTitan; 02-12-2014 at 03:29.

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    wow, after looking at how tiny xbox profits are compared to microsofts real money makers (in the graph above), I can see why some investors would want to invest somewhere else rather than xbox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    wow, after looking at how tiny xbox profits are compared to microsofts real money makers (in the graph above), I can see why some investors would want to invest somewhere else rather than xbox
    Yeah I didnt realize that either. Wow. Maybe selling off the Xbox division is not so far fetched after all. Looking at that graph theres certainly a good argument for it.
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