Here's some brief info on gun ownership.
The age requirement you asked about, it's 18 for shotguns/rifles and 21 for handguns. Everyone I know has gone through a background check, but there is the gun show loophole, where private sellers don't need to do background checks, which is something I'm against. The background check itself is very loose, they do a criminal check and use the honor system for other stuff (do you abuse alcohol? do you have a history of mental illness? etc). Again, something I'm against and wish there was a way to properly screen people.
For Texas, there is no waiting period, while California has a 10-day wait and Washington has a 5-day. Others vary, I'm not sure what they are. When I bought my handgun it was a 10-15 minute process. State laws also vary on carrying in public. Texas you need to take a class and the weapon must be concealed, while some places, like Colorado, allow open carry and without a permit. Like this guy:
In Texas, and I'm sure others, there are limits to where you can conceal carry. Any business that has 51% of it's income coming from alcohol sales prohibits carrying. As do hospitals, government buildings and places that specifically say no guns. Generally schools don't allow it either, though there are some Universities that allow it, and of the places that do allow concealed carry, no gun related incidents have occurred.
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1. Guy with a gun walks into room full of people, shots them with the gun.
2. Guy with a gun walks into room full of people, a guy in the room also has a gun, and shoots the gunman before he can kill anyone.
3. Guy doesn't have gun, walks into room full of people, and stabs multiple people. Because guns aren't the only way to kill people.
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3) It's a hell of a lot harder to kill multiple people with a knife than a gun.
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Why on Earth would anyone think being unarmed against someone trying to hurt you or others would be better?
Not unlikely as you might think.
Stories like this are most often ignored, because it shows that the right people with guns can do good.
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yeah, i don't think having a gun would really do much as far as securing a mass shooting incident, especially since most places don't allow weapons. could've sworn i've heard of security guards dying too during some of them or at least one of them.
so i agree with rapture there.
To exemplify a fact of reality. Just because a good person happens to be nearby with a weapon doesn't many the guy planning a murder spree won't claim any victims before being put down, and that's assuming he doesn't kill the would-be hero(s) anyway.
yes, there's nothing wrong with strengthening up the security, but the point was that there are many variables out there. not to mention, it seems that these shooters always target places where they "know" there won't be much security. so unless we arm the entire nation (which is unrealistic), it's not necessarily going to bring a consistent solution.
it makes sense to beef up the security in places where people aren't allowed to have guns.
If he was simply being vague and general, then fine. No harm done. If he wasn't, then my comment was apropos -- I was bringing things back down to Earth.
you'd be opening up a can of worms there. it's already difficult to detect people walking in. i honestly don't think many places i've worked had good security. yes, you can't get in some places but i have gotten in my work plenty of times without a badge. in places only employees can get in. so it wouldn't be difficult for someone to pose as an employee and get inside to murder everyone.
it seems like the ability to not allow guns inside commercial places makes sense. but having more security with weapons would probably fix that without causing more work.
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I think it's important to point out that in either case, guns can still be obtained illegally. I.E. without going through a background check, having a friend family member buy or give or steal a firearm. If that was the case, then I would think more security would probably be the next step. A criminal does not care how they get their hands on a gun. There are more factors at play. When I was growing up the first school shooting that happened in my state was like one in a billion chance, like nobody ever would have considered the notion. It's happening more often now unfortunately, and it's due to a combination of things. parents, tv, video games, the internet, friends ,movies, lack of moral conduct, and even people not being properly informed on things, the economy, ect. It's getting to a point where more people need to be armed than unarmed. Now, in some parts of my state, there are SCHOOLS that have teachers required to carry guns. I would never have imagined that in a million years. It's like a regression in progression. moving towards a futuristic old west where everybody carry's a gun on their hip. I bet a guy may think twice about going and shooting up a movie theater if he walked in knowing the entire theater had guns on them. And on the other hand,,,
there are just simply people that don't need to shoot guns, especially in a very high stressful situation. Just because someone has a gun on them does really not mean they will use it, even to defend themselves out of plain fear. AND there are people that simply don't need to be cops or any type of security. I don't think this is going to go to one side or the other on this case. I know every body seems to want it to sway one way or another but it's simply not that black and white. You can pass every law banning all the weapons in the world and a criminal will STILL get their hands on one and use it. More security can be a different problem, it would start to feel like 1940s Germany with forces walking around armed for "OUR PROTECTION" but with the good comes the bad.
In reality and as bad as I hate it, raising prices on bullets is probably the smartest things that could have been done. Now if it got too bad then people would start robbing stores for bullets. So it goes back to if a lot more people were armed then there may not be as much crime if the criminal thought he/she could be walking into a room full of potentially armed people unless she/he just wanted to die and go out with a bang for some reason.
Also how do you know that a cop won't snap one day and start shooting people?
It's not something I worry about, people tend to show various signs before commuting such crimes/acts.
it's so difficult to know who would do something and who wouldn't...i've seen regular people who act crazier than what these mass shooters did before the act. you really can't know for sure who is really going to do it. unless you actually caught someone in the act, it would be difficult to make a proper case against them to the police or the court...or you'd probably just be paranoid and bring your gun each day you think this guy might go off.
i'm just saying that in reality, even if you think someone seems a likely person to come in and shoot everyone and trust me, i know a guy...you really can't say or do anything about it unless you heard them say something or you see something that is visually suspicious.
I can't think of any. Society largely regulates itself, and firearms are just a tool to accomplish that. The US Government is completely untrustworthy, and I think it's good that the American people are (partially) armed to take it down. The issue though with that is the dramatic lack of motivation on our part. The American people have become content with mediocrity and decreasing freedoms. Guns are fine and dandy, but unless people are willing to use them then it hardly matters.
why is it that this phenomenon has just occurred in the past decade or so? why does this not occur in the same pattern as other countries when other nations also have the mentally ill. and i don't know for sure but i wouldn't be surprised if these nations also had laxed gun laws. it doesn't make sense to me that "guns" would be the reason for these random shootings for psychotic reasons.
if that were the case, i'm positive we'd see more of it in Afghanistan where people live by the gun and that's their only means to protect themselves. it's very odd to me that these things are happening, so far we don't have any interpretation of why it's happening. to me, it doesn't make sense.
my previous thoughts were the same as yours but i'm starting to deviate from that thought because i'm fairly sure that U.S. takes care of their mentally ill a lot better than the developing countries and it's far more easy to obtain black market weapons in these developing countries. this is definitely an anomaly and sort of makes me wonder what else here is at work...referring to my earlier comments in this thread.
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