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    Don't think there's any such thing as a '2nd party developer..' The first two parties are the main company (Sony, MS, Ninty, etc) and the consumer (me, you lot and all the other gamers.) The term 'Third Party' means someone outside the usual seller/buyer equation, so it would be used to describe the likes of EA, Sega and all the other non affiliated software makers..

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    ^You're right, there's no official term as a 2nd party. it's a made up term and has variations in definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    ^You're right, there's no official term as a 2nd party. it's a made up term and has variations in definitions.
    Ja, so states the all knowing wikipedia. It's a made up term but generally means indi studios working primarily on one console.

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    it's ok malt, i make people speechless all the time. especially young adult females.

    @Ghost. Ja ja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malt View Post
    Don't think there's any such thing as a '2nd party developer..' The first two parties are the main company (Sony, MS, Ninty, etc) and the consumer (me, you lot and all the other gamers.) The term 'Third Party' means someone outside the usual seller/buyer equation, so it would be used to describe the likes of EA, Sega and all the other non affiliated software makers..
    Insomniac doesn't fall under 1st or 3rd party so that leaves them as a second party. I know the term is just conversational, but in gaming that's what they fall under in this situation. The game itself is considered first party because it's being funded by MS. If they were considered 2nd party for sony then it's the same with MS. Only difference would be if MS doesn't own the IP rights, which i'm not sure of.

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    Second-party developer

    Second party developer is a colloquial term used by gaming enthusiasts and media often used to describe two different types of game development studios:

    1. Independently-owned studios who take development contracts from the platform holders and what they produce will usually be exclusive to that platform.
    2. Studios who are partially or wholly owned by the platform holder (also known as a subsidiary) and what they produce will usually be exclusive to that platform.

    In reality, the resulting game is first party (since it is funded by the platform holder who usually owns the resulting IP), but the term helps to distinguish independent studios from those directly owned by the platform holder. These studios may have exclusive publishing agreements (or other business relationships) with the platform holder, while maintaining independence. Examples are Insomniac Games (which previously developed games solely for Sony's PlayStation platforms as an independent studio) and Game Freak, (which primarily develops the Nintendo-exclusive Pokémon game series).

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    Ok, we've cleared that up, back OT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Titanfall trumps everything that 2014 has to offer by anyone, apparently.
    no apparently about it.

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    They got $#@!y and arrogant, resting on their laurels while Sony kept up their focus on what has always been the focus, games, and fixed all of the mistakes they made last gen with what has now become the leading platform in power and price.
    i can't think of another reason that fits with Xbox.

    they had me for the last 2 gens as the console of choice for all my multi-plats. this gen i will only invest in Xbox exclusives and that will be quite a small list in the next few years as i'll not be wanting them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I wouldn't exactly call their first party studios weak. Well, i guess it depends on what you mean by that. They don't pump out as many titles but the ones they do are pretty successful. The additions of Team Dakota and Press Play dosen't hurt either. Not to mention good 2nd party partners like Undead Labs and Insomniac.
    Never heard of Undead Labs. Guessing it is a small time indie.

    As for Insomniac, I am pretty sure Sony was reducing number of projects with them.
    Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time 2009 87.88%[32] 87/100[33]
    Resistance 3 2011 84.30%[34] 83/100[35] Last Resistance game developed by Insomniac Games
    Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One 70.63%[36] 70/100[37]
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    Look at continuous downward trend by Insomniac. I am sure Fuse was brought first to Sony.

    Really, it is second party. It is not first party and it does not matter. If contract don't get renewed, they are gone.

    What matter is first party. From what you said with Press Play and North Dakota, it does not hurt. However, they are still no where near what their competition has. MS does have weakest first party studios.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    5 out of 8 of those developers/ip's aren't owned by MS, doesn't it concern you that they could jump out at anytime?

    That would then leave MS with only Forza, Project Spark and the Max series.
    Great if you like those games though.
    I would be more worried about the lack of studios than the IP. Name is just a name. It holds nothing but marketing value. If you dont have the studios that makes that great game, it is meaningless.

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    everytime I come in here to read threads, i am constantly reminded of what this place was and what it is now.

    No one discussion can go on without someone having a snide remark or derailing a thread from its intended purpose which is for people that ideally are interested in a game or the console and want to see what others think.

    This section is dying off, and it is a great shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acryllicaltair View Post
    everytime I come in here to read threads, i am constantly reminded of what this place was and what it is now.

    No one discussion can go on without someone having a snide remark or derailing a thread from its intended purpose which is for people that ideally are interested in a game or the console and want to see what others think.

    This section is dying off, and it is a great shame.
    is this post supposed to be full of irony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acryllicaltair View Post
    everytime I come in here to read threads, i am constantly reminded of what this place was and what it is now.

    No one discussion can go on without someone having a snide remark or derailing a thread from its intended purpose which is for people that ideally are interested in a game or the console and want to see what others think.

    This section is dying off, and it is a great shame.
    Thread whining

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    no apparently about it.
    lol....lots of games yet to come. We will see.
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    The PS4 is supposed to see 140 games this year including the dreaded indie games.
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    Ok... I was wrong. Happy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    The PS4 is supposed to see 140 games this year including the dreaded indie games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    Dem dreaded indies?





    How dare you show dem godawful indie titles!!


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    i wasn't into indies because i used to think they just meant those awful $ menu games. but i've changed my mind recently. they can be pretty awesome. in fact, i'd argue that they're just a reemergence of games that used to be good that weren't necessarily on a hollywood budget...all that stuff can be just superficial sometimes, actually...a lot of the times i'd say. if you think about it, a lot of amazing games would've started as an indie game (if they had come out today)...e.g. SOCOM. Half Life.

    so i'm excited about indies because they are supporting this industry from going down the $#@!ter imo at this moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    The PS4 is supposed to see 140 games this year including the dreaded indie games.
    The best kind of games have usually been indie games these last few years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i wasn't into indies because i used to think they just meant those awful $ menu games. but i've changed my mind recently. they can be pretty awesome. in fact, i'd argue that they're just a reemergence of games that used to be good that weren't necessarily on a hollywood budget...all that stuff can be just superficial sometimes, actually...a lot of the times i'd say. if you think about it, a lot of amazing games would've started as an indie game (if they had come out today)...e.g. SOCOM. Half Life.

    so i'm excited about indies because they are supporting this industry from going down the $#@!ter imo at this moment.
    Indie development is where you'll see the most innovative, fun, and creative gameplay. The gaming world without indie developers would be kinda $#@!ty and, as you said, rather superficial.
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    i assume minecraft is what changed a lot of the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    The gaming world without indie developers would be kinda $#@!ty
    Like lastgen where almost every second title was a bloody FPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    Dem dreaded indies?





    What is that second game? Looks cool.




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    Are any of those actually indie games? hell Outlast is a proper studio dev team, and Shadow of the Beast is a Sony property. Shadow Warrior isn't indie either.

    Some people have a strange idea what is "indie"
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