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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    You know, what people really should be asking isn't why no parity.
    They should be asking why are they charging more for it.


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    because the game still takes about the same amount of money to be developed...probably more for the X1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    because the game still takes about the same amount of money to be developed...probably more for the X1.
    I meant the console.
    I couldn't buy something that was
    more expensive and did a poorer job than a competing product.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I meant the console. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Yeah the $500 price tag is really the only thing holding back Xbone sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrow View Post
    Yeah the $500 price tag is really the only thing holding back Xbone sales.
    Its that coupled with that fact that ps4 right now almost has a 100% performance delta with X1 (due to poor dev tools on MS side right now). If X1 had lets say 30% more performance than ps4, many hardcore gamers would pay the extra $100 easily I think.

    The second thing is that if you say that $100 was for kinect than X1 should have at least equaled ps4 in performance, which its far from doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    You know, what people really should be asking isn't why no parity.
    They should be asking why are they charging more for it.


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    That's easy to answer, Kinect 2 inflates the production cost of the unit. MS is hardly willing to eat a ton of money per console sold to reach price parity (let alone a cheaper selling point) than the competition.

    The Xbox console itself is probably not really a ton cheaper than the PS4.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Its that coupled with that fact that ps4 right now almost has a 100% performance delta with X1 (due to poor dev tools on MS side right now). If X1 had lets say 30% more performance than ps4, many hardcore gamers would pay the extra $100 easily I think. The second thing is that if you say that $100 was for kinect than X1 should have at least equaled ps4 in performance, which its far from doing
    Yeah paying $100 more for a weaker console makes no sense to me personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I meant the console.
    I couldn't buy something that was
    more expensive and did a poorer job than a competing product.


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    there's the kinect, then they're giving you windows 8 with it...and i'm sure they aren't as efficient at reducing the cost as Sony since they are not a hardware company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    There aren't any PS4 games with double the resolution vs the XB1. Let's not take the math and completely change it.
    i started replying to this before reading the rest of the post, so i think we are all on the same page now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fijiandoce View Post
    though now you mention it. i can't think of any game (off the top of my head) that is actually 720vs1080. COD and AC ran at 900p on XB1 yes?
    Ghosts is 1080 vs 720

    Quote Originally Posted by Fijiandoce View Post
    resolution is written out as 1920x1080. Only people are lazy ass and use the final bit; 1080p.

    The screen ratio is what governs the resulting horizontal or vertical pixel count. The industry standard in this case being 16:9 - as cable/satellite provides broadcast at 720.

    the two should be mutual, unless specified. 1080 has a greater vertical count than 720, therefore has double the pixels using a 16:9 ratio.
    i dont think its LAZY necessarily...but i think you need to think about industry standard...which is generally a 16:9 image for "HD" resolutions...so when i say, or hear "1080p" its implied that youre talking about 1920x1080 not any other 0000x1080 resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    You know, what people really should be asking isn't why no parity.
    They should be asking why are they charging more for it.
    well we know the official story is that Kinect and the entertainment options offer the additional experience to warrant the price...

    but for me MS has done very little to actually show that the added value is there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metfanant View Post
    i dont think its LAZY necessarily...but i think you need to think about industry standard...which is generally a 16:9 image for "HD" resolutions...so when i say, or hear "1080p" its implied that youre talking about 1920x1080 not any other 0000x1080 resolution
    This.
    If one wants to discuss anamorphic resolutions or non 16:9 resolutions one needs to give enough information for others to know what he is talking about.

    IE.
    1080p 4:3 means 1440x1080.
    1440x1080 16:9 means 1440x1080 image scaled to 16:9 screen. (pixels are not squares, but rectangles (1.33.. :1))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metfanant View Post
    i dont think its LAZY necessarily...but i think you need to think about industry standard...which is generally a 16:9 image for "HD" resolutions...so when i say, or hear "1080p" its implied that youre talking about 1920x1080 not any other 0000x1080 resolution
    is my post being quoted as example of what you're talking about or is the "you" in question directed at me. because even in that post of mine you've quoted i state the same "industry standard", and lazy common practises.

    ...

    just wondering, as you're basically repeating my exact post back to me, otherwise. It would be weird; essentially having a discussion with myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    There aren't any PS4 games with double the resolution vs the XB1. Let's not take the math and completely change it.
    1080P is more than double of 720P resolution. COD is example of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I meant the console.
    I couldn't buy something that was
    more expensive and did a poorer job than a competing product.


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    Wasn't there a thread saying that Microsoft is still making about an $80-$90 loss on XB1 console hardware while Sony's PS4 500gb SKU was making a profit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacP View Post
    Wasn't there a thread saying that Microsoft is still making about an $80-$90 loss on XB1 console hardware while Sony's PS4 500gb SKU was making a profit?
    I think with sony its more or less breaking even with the hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sajuuk Khar View Post
    I think with sony its more or less breaking even with the hardware.
    I seriously doubt that. They are definitely taking a loss this early into the launch, but nothing like ps3 where they were lprobably losing hundreds of dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I seriously doubt that. They are definitely taking a loss this early into the launch, but nothing like ps3 where they were lprobably losing hundreds of dollars.
    Can you show that they are definitely taking a loss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I seriously doubt that. They are definitely taking a loss this early into the launch, but nothing like ps3 where they were lprobably losing hundreds of dollars.
    I think what i saw was that material wise brings the cost up to the $500 mark, with then the extras like packaging and shipping pushing it over into a mild loss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    Can you show that they are definitely taking a loss?
    They may not be taking much of a loss on the hardware itself but whatever profit they get probably goes towards marketing, R&D, and other stuff. Its still much better place to be than losing over $200 like they were doing with ps3. They didn't start profiting on that until the year 2011. Its normal to take losses this early though. i think nintendo was the only one to to actually profit on each console from the beginning with the wii. The ps4 will be a big improvement for sony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    They may not be taking much of a loss on the hardware itself but whatever profit they get probably goes towards marketing, R&D, and other stuff. Its still much better place to be than losing over $200 like they were doing with ps3. They didn't start profiting on that until the year 2011. Its normal to take losses this early though. i think nintendo was the only one to to actually profit on each console from the beginning with the wii. The ps4 will be a big improvement for sony.
    right but we're talking about the actual hardware. companies don't look at data like that, they don't lump it together and call it a loss.

    R&D/Marketing (that is assuming if they do spend that money on there) would be an investment. not a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    right but we're talking about the actual hardware. companies don't look at data like that, they don't lump it together and call it a loss.

    R&D/Marketing (that is assuming if they do spend that money on there) would be an investment. not a loss.
    lol... i was talking about hardware too. Its all part of the ps4. Marketing, ads, and anything else included. They aren't profiting on ps4 yet. The money they put in is not coming back yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    lol... i was talking about hardware too. Its all part of the ps4. Marketing, ads, and anything else included. They aren't profiting on ps4 yet. The money they put in is not coming back yet.
    i know you were talking about the hardware "too". I'm telling you that they don't lump everything together to find out how they're doing on the hardware because that doesn't make any sense.

    you don't think about your heating bill by adding on your groceries and gas.

    you look at your heating bill.

    also it's your "assumption" that they're using the same money they're getting back. they have a budget for everything, they're not necessarily taking the money they're getting from the sales.

    they spend their budget depending on how much they get back, generally marketing to stimulate the sales. if they feel that it will help, they will spend, so they get the benefit out of that.

    they don't just lump everything together, that would not give them a correct reading of where they are and what's the trend.

    P.S. you don't know if they are or aren't profiting on the PS4 yet. the only thing we can assume is how much it is costing them to make the consoles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    They may not be taking much of a loss on the hardware itself but whatever profit they get probably goes towards marketing, R&D, and other stuff. Its still much better place to be than losing over $200 like they were doing with ps3. They didn't start profiting on that until the year 2011. Its normal to take losses this early though. i think nintendo was the only one to to actually profit on each console from the beginning with the wii. The ps4 will be a big improvement for sony.
    That's not what I asked of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    That's not what I asking of you.
    it doesn't matter. welcome to sub's world. that's what it is going to be moving forward whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    lol... i was talking about hardware too. Its all part of the ps4. Marketing, ads, and anything else included. They aren't profiting on ps4 yet. The money they put in is not coming back yet.
    Wow, we have a Sony insider here. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    it doesn't matter. welcome to sub's world. that's what it is going to be moving forward whether you like it or not.
    It doesn't have to matter, I just want to read what he says after that response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    It doesn't have to matter, I just want to read what he says after that response.
    he has nothing to back that up, he will just change the subject. you'll have to catch him if you can.

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