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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    he has nothing to back that up, he will just change the subject. you'll have to catch him if you can.
    Thats where you come in. lol

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    as much as i love doing that...oh God who am i kidding, I love doing that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    as much as i love doing that...oh God who am i kidding, I love doing that
    And I enjoy watching you nail him to the wall. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    That's not what I asked of you.
    i can't definitely show that they're taking a loss just like no one else can show that they're making money. If you look at what the rumored cost to build, and throw in all the other expenses, then its not likely that they're making money. But like i said before its normal at this this early stage until they get the cost down to produce them. It took them about 5 years to profit from ps3, but it should be much faster with ps4. if you compare the losses, ps4 is much better and thats where they want to be.




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    But people just don't buy the console by itself. Let's see, we have some buying ps+, a game or two, the camera....so yeah i would say they are breaking even more or less

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    i can't definitely show that they're taking a loss just like no one else can show that they're making money. If you look at what the rumored cost to build, and throw in all the other expenses, then its not likely that they're making money. But like i said before its normal at this this early stage until they get the cost down to produce them. It took them about 5 years to profit from ps3, but it should be much faster with ps4. if you compare the losses, ps4 is much better and thats where they want to be.
    lol again, you keep talking about these "other expenses", no one cares about those. Those are always going to be there. you don't understand how this stuff works i'm sorry, that's just the reality of it. you don't include "other" expenses like marketing because that's not part of the console's actual cost.

    we're talking about the actual cost of making the console.

    and about that link, let me find you more that disagree with yours:

    Microsoft's Xbox One Costs $90 More to Build Than Sony's PS4

    The DeanBeat: The Xbox One cost $471 to make. The PS4 costs $381

    and the links above are more substantiated because they are dependent on the hardware teardown, rather than "rumor".

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    But people just don't buy the console by itself. Let's see, we have some buying ps+, a game or two, the camera....so yeah i would say they are breaking even more or less

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    true, but the rules still apply to those things too.

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    what rules. self-made rule? this is enough entertainment for me today.

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    This is all fine and dandy but the Xbox will still struggle with 1080p regardless of how much money sony either makes, loses, or whatever else.

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    i think the correct context is that it will struggle with 1080p or fps if they want it to be close to the PS4 version, that is, if the game is pushing the two consoles to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    This is all fine and dandy but the Xbox will still struggle with 1080p regardless of how much money sony either makes, loses, or whatever else.
    I'm reporting you for bringing up the actual thread topic.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    lol again, you keep talking about these "other expenses", no one cares about those. Those are always going to be there. you don't understand how this stuff works i'm sorry, that's just the reality of it. you don't include "other" expenses like marketing because that's not part of the console's actual cost.

    we're talking about the actual cost of making the console.

    and about that link, let me find you more that disagree with yours:

    Microsoft's Xbox One Costs $90 More to Build Than Sony's PS4

    The DeanBeat: The Xbox One cost $471 to make. The PS4 costs $381

    and the links above are more substantiated because they are dependent on the hardware teardown, rather than "rumor".
    Ummm, norhing there refutes anything substance said. If the ps4 costs more than wholesale they are making a loss on hardware.
    I'm pretty sure Sony themselves have said they are taking a mild loss on the console, it was in article about how they wont be taking the same hit as last gen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Ummm, norhing there refutes anything substance said. If the ps4 costs more than wholesale they are making a loss on hardware.
    I'm pretty sure Sony themselves have said they are taking a mild loss on the console, it was in article about how they wont be taking the same hit as last gen.


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    i don't know what you mean by "wholesale". and where have they said it?

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    I think there has been enough of the "cost/profit" angle in this thread. F34R is right.....more posts are off-topic than on. Create a new thread on this if you want, otherwise, revisit previous posts and see if there is something related to the subject you want to talk about.

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    I am having just as much fun playing on the xbone as I am the PS4 at the moment, $#@! me, who'd have thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    I think there has been enough of the "cost/profit" angle in this thread. F34R is right.....more posts are off-topic than on. Create a new thread on this if you want, otherwise, revisit previous posts and see if there is something related to the subject you want to talk about.

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    You guys are really good at killing conversations. I don't see why they can't continue...it wasn't just steered off-topic, the conversation started off of the original topic.

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    Thought this article was bumping up now that Titanfall is out at 792P. And this is not from lack of trying. The dev has continuously has come up and made statements saying they will be actively looking at option for higher resolution if it was possible.

    Still it ended up 792p.

    Quote Originally Posted by mudshark View Post
    I am having just as much fun playing on the xbone as I am the PS4 at the moment, $#@! me, who'd have thought.
    Yup, but if it is same game. Same gameplay. Same everything, but better graphics? I would choose one with better graphics. It only enhances the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttackTitan View Post
    Thought this article was bumping up now that Titanfall is out at 792P. And this is not from lack of trying. The dev has continuously has come up and made statements saying they will be actively looking at option for higher resolution if it was possible.

    Still it ended up 792p.



    Yup, but if it is same game. Same gameplay. Same everything, but better graphics? I would choose one with better graphics. It only enhances the experience.
    I don't know about that. The graphics would have to be a huge jump to enhance the experience and I'm not seeing that with the two consoles. Not even the PC versions of games are a huge jump. At least not yet.

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    Well, in all fairness Titanfall is not a good indicator of the 'graphics' of next gen. The game is just flat out ugly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Well, in all fairness Titanfall is not a good indicator of the 'graphics' of next gen. The game is just flat out ugly.
    yes it is. it looks no different than any game on the PS4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    yes it is. it looks no different than any game on the PS4.
    The free to play first person shooters
    Destiny is going to be EVERYTHING that EA and MS hoped titanfall would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I don't know about that. The graphics would have to be a huge jump to enhance the experience and I'm not seeing that with the two consoles. Not even the PC versions of games are a huge jump. At least not yet.
    It actually is quite large jump. Not having to worry about screen tear. Or framedrop. or those annoying dam jaggies. Those are quite big difference in experience. Not being constantly being pestered would be huge improvement in experience.

    Also, you can tell clear difference from 720P to 1080P. I could see everything so much more clear in my 60 Inch LED TV. Even in movies, I see clear difference when I see 1080P movies to 720P.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Well, in all fairness Titanfall is not a good indicator of the 'graphics' of next gen. The game is just flat out ugly.
    But it is running on Source Engine. One engine that is supposed to provide rock solid performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    The free to play first person shooters
    well i'm just trying to fill the void, someone was going to say that sooner or later.

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    Ys Source scales well for low end hardware, up until a couple of years ago Valve themselves supported Direct X 7 GPUs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttackTitan View Post
    It actually is quite large jump. Not having to worry about screen tear. Or framedrop. or those annoying dam jaggies. Those are quite big difference in experience. Not being constantly being pestered would be huge improvement in experience.

    Also, you can tell clear difference from 720P to 1080P. I could see everything so much more clear in my 60 Inch LED TV. Even in movies, I see clear difference when I see 1080P movies to 720P.

    I don't know what next gen games you've been playing because ive seen stuff like frame drops and jaggies on games. So far i can't say the jump is that large. Sure, you can see the difference between last gen and this one and it just a prettier more shiner versions. Gameplay is still the same and most games are still around 30FPS.

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