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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Not really. Its possible that there may be things about the hardware that aren't known. I think MS did something similar with xbox360.
    I'm going to not believe that is something they've kept up their sleeve while games are developed "under par" compared to the PS4 counterparts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Not really. Its possible that there may be things about the hardware that aren't known. I think MS did something similar with xbox360.
    Yeah...Going to need a bit more than a faint memory about the 360 having special unknown secret features. Care to elaborate?

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    I think he maybe referring to the tessellator or maybe memexport.
    One was useful, the other not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I think he maybe referring to the tessellator or maybe memexport.
    One was useful, the other not so much.
    Or maybe the AltiVec upgrades to the CPU, but still then, nothing secret

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    May be its got a dibbledimode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sajuuk Khar View Post
    Yeah...Going to need a bit more than a faint memory about the 360 having special unknown secret features. Care to elaborate?
    I never said anything about secrets. Some things just don't make a lot sense. We still don''t know what this custom silicon deal worth 3 billion dollars with AMD is about. Neither company will talk about it and why did they wait to announce dx12 for xb1 if they know it was built for that? It just seems like MS meant to launch xb1 in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I never said anything about secrets. Some things just don't make a lot sense. We still don''t know what this custom silicon deal worth 3 billion dollars with AMD is about. Neither company will talk about it and why did they wait to announce dx12 for xb1 if they know it was built for that? It just seems like MS meant to launch xb1 in 2014.
    No it was in reference to when you said MS did something similar with the 360.

    "Not really. Its possible that there may be things about the hardware that aren't known. I think MS did something similar with xbox360."

    I was asking about the 360 elements that were unknown.


    And the 3 Billion multi year deal with AMD. Pretty sure thats just the contract to design and refine the APU over the course of the generation. IE update the chip to shrink down the die size with new manufacturing tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sajuuk Khar View Post
    No it was in reference to when you said MS did something similar with the 360.

    "Not really. Its possible that there may be things about the hardware that aren't known. I think MS did something similar with xbox360."

    I was asking about the 360 elements that were unknown.


    And the 3 Billion multi year deal with AMD. Pretty sure thats just the contract to design and refine the APU over the course of the generation. IE update the chip to shrink down the die size with new manufacturing tech.
    Lets not forget AMD is also powering the PS4 which means SONY also have a deal with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooper71 View Post
    Lets not forget AMD is also powering the PS4 which means SONY also have a deal with them.

    PS4 secret sauce unknown elements confirmed!!!

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    Yep. PS4 comes out of left feild with DMantel12 HyperCore Hidden Cell 5.0 tech. Sony shall awaken this monster with a firmware update :S we will not survive the awesomeness

    Quote Originally Posted by AttackTitan View Post

    Xbox One was codable to "metal" from the beginning. This generic API will not increase optimization level better than "coding to metal".
    Lol. Well they need some wizard $#@! then for sure. With this announcement I'm inclined to think Microsoft believes they just waved their magic wand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I never said anything about secrets. Some things just don't make a lot sense. We still don''t know what this custom silicon deal worth 3 billion dollars with AMD is about. Neither company will talk about it and why did they wait to announce dx12 for xb1 if they know it was built for that? It just seems like MS meant to launch xb1 in 2014.
    it is so secret, they won't even use it in their games.

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    All this secret sauce talk is making me hungry
    Last edited by keefy; 03-11-2014 at 16:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    it is so secret, they won't even use it in their games.
    maybe they are. 2nd wave of games are coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    maybe they are. 2nd wave of games are coming.
    and what makes you think that the 3B dollar silicon deal didn't benefit the first wave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    and what makes you think that the 3B dollar silicon deal didn't benefit the first wave?
    Never said they didn't. you implied that. I guess GDC will tell all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Never said they didn't. you implied that. I guess GDC will tell all.
    no actually you implied that,
    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    maybe they are. 2nd wave of games are coming.
    so yeah, going back to what i said, it's so secretive that it's worth all the crap they have gotten so far. pure comedy reading these assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    no actually you implied that,
    so yeah, going back to what i said, it's so secretive that it's worth all the crap they have gotten so far. pure comedy reading these assumptions.
    They could be using it already in games that haven't been released is what i meant. That doesn't make it secretive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    They could be using it already in games that haven't been released is what i meant. That doesn't make it secretive.
    using what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I guess GDC will tell all.
    Most of all the GDC DirectX sessions are about DX11, only two sessions will be about future improvements of Dx12(tablet, phones, console). Give it 3rd wave of XO games when they start implementing some x12 code, x11 is still strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_terna View Post
    Most of all the GDC DirectX sessions are about DX11, only two sessions will be about future improvements of Dx12(tablet, phones, console). Give it 3rd wave of XO games when they start implementing some x12 code, x11 is still strong.
    You could be right. Thats why i said that GDC will explain it. I just hope they at least give us a demo or something in real time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    You could be right. Thats why i said that GDC will explain it. I just hope they at least give us a demo or something in real time.
    It'll be in RT, but I doubt it'll come from X1.

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    There are ways DX12 could help improve performance if it is more low level than current DX11 API (just been discussing that in the ESRAM thread actually), but some sort whole new can of whoop ass, I doubt it.

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    i'm also thinking that DX12 will likely try to fix some of the issues from DX11, mainly inefficiencies, and of course add new features. MS has been trying to reduce their footprint in OS department, seeing Valve with their own gaming OS, it would be idiotic not to fix the DX and make it more optimized.

    that's the least MS can do to combat against Valve's steambox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i'm also thinking that DX12 will likely try to fix some of the issues from DX11, mainly inefficiencies, and of course add new features. MS has been trying to reduce their footprint in OS department, seeing Valve with their own gaming OS, it would be idiotic not to fix the DX and make it more optimized.

    that's the least MS can do to combat against Valve's steambox.
    YEA YEA we know you think Windoze is an over bloated fat bastard go large memory hogging inefficient so and soo

    Please change the record this one is scratched too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    YEA YEA we know you think Windoze is an over bloated fat bastard go large memory hogging inefficient so and soo

    Please change the record this one is scratched too much.
    Problem? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    There are ways DX12 could help improve performance if it is more low level than current DX11 API (just been discussing that in the ESRAM thread actually), but some sort whole new can of whoop ass, I doubt it.
    haha. can of whoop ass. that's funny, man.

    It still wont stop certain people from believing that magic can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i'm also thinking that DX12 will likely try to fix some of the issues from DX11, mainly inefficiencies, and of course add new features. MS has been trying to reduce their footprint in OS department, seeing Valve with their own gaming OS, it would be idiotic not to fix the DX and make it more optimized.

    that's the least MS can do to combat against Valve's steambox.
    Problem is that devs already have access to "code to metal" which gives them freedom and better optimization than DX.

    optimization is optimization. PS4, Xbox One and Wii U will all get it but in the end, it will be limited by its hardware.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    it is so secret, they won't even use it in their games.
    Because, logic. Or because certain people refuse to believe that Xbox One's weakness cannot be real.
    Last edited by AttackTitan; 03-11-2014 at 22:10.

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