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    Let's compile all unique features of PS4 and Xbox One *Updated 3/18*

    I think Xbox One gets an unfair amount of dislike in these forums, including myself although I try to be fair.

    I wanted to make a thread where a person can come in and really understand what these consoles offer over the other. Let’s keep the discussion about what both consoles provide us with. Let's keep it to the positives.

    I'd like some help on the Xbox One side as I don't own one but I will post stuff that I at least have some understanding of. If someone wants to add something, I can certain note them down.

    I put them in different tiers as I feel certain things matter more than others to gamers (sometimes casual, sometimes core). It will just make things simpler to understand. Here's what I have so far.

    Legends - * is more for information, not necessarily a quantified advantage.
    PS4

    TIER 1

    Power & ease

    + most titles are 1080p and/or 60fps
    + some exclusives look significantly better
    + some multiplatform games perform significantly better
    + easier to develop for

    Developer support
    + a larger announced list of 2014 exclusives
    + Better Indie Support
    ++ more indie titles from PC are available
    ++ Sony’s policies for indie developers are known to be more laxed.
    +++ free SDK to indie developers for one year
    * a robust first-party infrastructure
    * more experienced and skilled developers overall
    * more exclusives that have won awards


    PlayStation Plus

    + includes games to keep, 1 day trials, discounts, betas, online storage (1GB), avatars and themes
    + free access to apps, MMOs, X-game-chat, sharing and streaming gameplay
    + Only 1 PS+ account required per console.
    * gives a tremendous value by combining content for PS3, PS Vita and PS4.
    * 7 day rentals for PS Now service (rumor)
    * required for online play


    Operating System

    + streamlined (faster and easier to navigate)
    + PlayGo signficantly reduces time for a game to install and play
    + split-screen detection
    + simple and robust messaging system (a la facebook)
    + more organized friends list
    TIER 2

    Integration

    + Twitch, Ustream, Facebook and Twitter
    ++ party chat audio is also streamed
    ++ easy to stream gameplay
    ++ interactive broadcast (sending set commands to broadcaster's game may manipulate the game in various ways)
    ++ playroom
    + snap shot support
    + Remote Play
    ++ Second Screen
    + 15 minutes of gameplay recorded constantly (gameplay is being recorded constantly in the background without interruption; you can push the share button to capture the previous 15 minutes and upload to Facebook or Twitter)
    * PS Now rental service (Gaikai)
    ** includes PS1, PS2 and PS3 games.
    *** release date Q2-Q3 of 2014


    DLC
    + Assassin's Creed's Aveline DLC

    TIER 3


    Improved controller
    + more ergonomic
    ++ improved triggers
    + lithium batteries built-in
    * possible touch-pad integration in the future

    Design
    + smaller and lighter form factor
    + more energy efficient
    + Hard Drive Disc easy to upgrade (any slim 2.5" laptop HDD smaller than 9.5mm and larger than 160GBs, 5400rpm is recommended for low heat, quietness and low consumption)









    Xbox One

    TIER 1

    Exclusivity
    (has more exclusive games out at the moment)

    Kinect 2.0
    + voice commands
    ++ voice-controlled profile-switching
    + IR Blaster (with it, you can control your TV, cable box and other devices)
    + biometric sign-in for each user (identification of humans by their characteristics or traits)
    ++ recognizes different players and auto loads their preferred controller settings
    * personalized tv guide
    * barcode reader
    * 3D full body tracking
    * 1080p and 30fps
    * possible game support in the future


    Operating System
    + Live TV integration (Cable box)
    ++ built-in TV calibration
    + Instant Resume
    + NFL deal (rumored $400m)
    + Windows 8 Metro integration
    ++ snap feature (snap an app during gameplay or while surfing another program for multitasking)
    + insane amount of app support (skype, twitch, bbc iplayer, redbull tv, nhl, nba, xbox video/music, vevo, napster, kararoke, deezer, machinima, gametrailers, ign, maxim, msn, gamespot, wsj live, kinect playfit, dailymotion, sesame street tv etc.)
    + Xbox One system update beta testing (closed beta)
    * possible social games in the future

    Xbox Live

    + Smart Match system (useful with low-community games, alarms you when someone joins your room even if you are running another application)
    + Only 1 XBL Gold account to access Gold features per console.
    * possibly cheaper game deals

    TIER 2

    Integration
    + Twitch streaming @720p resolution
    + can archive streamed gameplay
    + smart glass
    + expanded achievements
    ++ achievements color-coded to those who unlock them (multiple people can earn achievements within the same game and within the same console)
    + better video editor (5 min recorded gameplay)
    Azure
    +300k server support (more availability)
    +cheaper servers
    + unanimous support (all X1 MP games will be supported)
    * possibly more utilization of server-side calculations (A.I., graphics)

    DLC
    + early access on Battlefield 4 DLC AKA Second Assault
    + early access on all Call of Duty: Ghosts DLCs

    TIER 3

    Improved controller

    + significantly more battery life
    * able to use both regular and rechargeable batteries

    SDK support

    + cheaper kits
    * DX12 support (E3)
    * possibly better tools in the future (more experienced software engineers)

    Aggressive marketing





    I'm sure there are more things and I could come up with some if i had more time but it's very clear that both consoles have about the same amount of features that should matter to gamers...maybe X1 having more potentially (in the future) and maybe less clear or speculated features but in the coming years, there may be a good reason to own both consoles, for those that it is feasible for of course.

    what do you guys think? like to add anything?

    A big thanks to K2D, Bitbydeath, Substance and Lethal for bringing more ideas.
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    I find the upper tier for the XB1, rather temporary and a big ?? to it in the long term. But it's been true from launch until infamous ss.

    And the medium tier for PS4: more people (at least on reditt) seem to prefer the XB1 share, so that's a wash.

    But otherwise agree

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    those are good points and i noticed this too. it seems like PS4 is lacking in its medium stuff...you know, stuff gamers care for but still not the creme of the crop. X1 seems to have more there.

    the tier is certainly subjective so anyone can disagree or correct the tier, those are stuff i felt should be there...but i didn't give it more than a few moments of thought so certainly if someone presents a good argument, i can change the tiers.

    it seems like where games matter, PS4 is providing it, but not much elsewhere. X1 is a little lighter on the games and support but is far more robust with its other offerings. it's important to note these things because all of these things can potentially change the trend for these consoles during their life cycle.

    we don't know how important PS Now or Windows 8 may be for gamers. Though Win 8 is not directly related to gaming...it still could provide a great value to certain gamers.

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    Another strength of the PS4 over the XB1 is the hardware design. The PS4 is smaller and slicker looking IMO.

    Another strength of the XB1 over the PS4 is the NFL partnership (that is if you are an NFL fan like I am) and potentially other sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    Another strength of the PS4 over the XB1 is the hardware design. The PS4 is smaller and slicker looking IMO.

    Another strength of the XB1 over the PS4 is the NFL partnership (that is if you are an NFL fan like I am) and potentially other sports.
    thank you. i think it's important to at least mention the NFL part although that should be with TV...it explains the advantage more. though i already have the first one in there

    "smaller/lighter form factor, more energy efficient"

    I totally agree that PS4 is more sleek but i wanted to keep the subjective stuff to minimum. games are subjective but at least there will be more support on the PS4 so i wanted to add that.

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    You did mention the form factor. I missed that, sorry.

    The only other thing I can think of that I don't see (and will hopefully be a wash soon enough!!!) is DLNA support.

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    What does the NFL bring to console owners 9in terms of products/functionality)? Being able to watch NFL on your console? FF?

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    Meh, that stuff is mostly subjective. The only way to have an accurate assessment is to at least own or have some experience with both consoles. Maybe 6 months from now will be a better time for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    You did mention the form factor. I missed that, sorry.

    The only other thing I can think of that I don't see (and will hopefully be a wash soon enough!!!) is DLNA support.
    well, the thing there is, we don't know how the DLNA will differ on both consoles. unless you mean that it's coming for PS4 and not for X1, I can add it then.

    otherwise i didn't want to list anything that both had. however, the NFL suggestion i definitely added!

    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    What does the NFL bring to console owners 9in terms of products/functionality)? Being able to watch NFL on your console? FF?
    lol what does FF mean?

    well, NFL is very important to many americans and i'm sure some would find this feature important if not many more...we don't know yet but i think it has a lot of potential. i think it's definitely going to attract the casuals OR maybe even some non-gamers from a certain demographic. generally the jock/male.

    none of this has to pertain to gaming because if we did that, it would be unfair for X1...as it's not just for gaming and thus it would lose badly. we know that Sony is focusing strong on games and then again PS4 would lose badly if we started talking about things X1 does.

    i didn't want to say which one would do better in sales or attract more demand because we already know the answer to that. what this needs to bring forth is where the consoles are headed. we need to think outside the box. if and when X1 gets their features going and possibly matured, it will definitely make the console more attractive.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Meh, that stuff is mostly subjective. The only way to have an accurate assessment is to at least own or have some experience with both consoles. Maybe 6 months from now will be a better time for this.
    i tried to keep the subjective stuff to minimal. look, not everyone is going to care for azure and not everyone is going to care for ps now. the point is that this is for those that don't know much about either consoles and want a speedy understanding of what they offer right now and what they may in the future.

    if you have something to add, i can certainly add. since you own the X1.

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    LOL! The whole Idea of using tiers is Premo-subjective. *applause *

    PS4
    Upper Tier:
    - stronger console (some exclusives significantly perform/look better)
    - PS Now rental service (coming soon)
    - PS+ gives a tremendous value in games
    (requeired for online play)
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    a better DualShock
    - free access to apps/MMOs/X-game-chat/sharing/streaming
    - smaller/lighter form factor, more energy efficient

    Medium Tier:
    - more robust first-party support (going by announced titles and known developers (as of right now and subjective (lol))
    - faster OS and dashboard/XMB
    - Twitch integration (right now) making it more socially appealing
    - 15 min record time (separated)
    - better indie/dev support (easier to develop for)

    Low Tier:
    - voice command (moved down)
    - DLC deals (for parity)

    Xbox One
    Upper Tier:

    - Commercials

    Medium Tier:
    - has the edge in exclusives right now
    (agree, but subjective)
    - Xbox OS is fully featured - "all-in-one console"
    (lol)
    - Snap feature
    - 5(?) min record time (separated)

    Lower Tier:
    - TV connectivity + a very expensive NFL deal
    - Kinect 2.0 - voice commands, possible better support for games
    (lol).
    - DLC deals
    (which?)
    - Twitch streaming 720p

    LOL Tier:
    - Azure services (potential for advantages in the future)
    - Windows 8 provides a plethora of new possibilities with apps (which could include social games)
    - Live beta updates and possibly more frequent updates

    (like this matter to anyone 'cept the inner fan circle)
    - TV connectivity
    - still retain better marketing techniques if not a much better marketing team (anymore at least)
    - cheaper SDK (not sure if this is true)
    - better Xbox Live deals (from what I gather)
    - DirectX 12 support (we will see what this will bring)
    - supposedly better tools coming as MS has more experienced tool engineers

    (but not as of right now)
    - full support for dedicated servers to all MP games

    (like Titanfall has demonstrated)
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    Quote Originally Posted by K2D View Post
    LOL! The whole Idea of using tiers is Premo-subjective. *applause *
    lol good point, which is why i'm open to suggestions. i don't want it to be necessarily what it means to me, i'd like it to be what the concensus is. if you give a suggestion and we have an agreement, especially if others also agree, i can certainly change some things around.

    the point of it was to keep the clutter out. so we can clearly see the advantages on both sides.

    if you have a suggestion, throw it at us.

    EDIT: i see what you did there i will read your quote in more detail once i come home.
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    I am not digging the whole tier thing. Xbox One's upper tier is a little......odd. Kinect 2.0 is absolutely not a strong point for the console. I unplugged mine because it was pissing me off. Here is my list of Xbox One pros.

    XBOX One
    Video editor - Easily the best editor of the 2 consoles.

    Cable box integration - I find the built-in Xbox One channel guide to be easier to use and control.

    Battery life - The controllers battery life is probably 3x better than the PS4.

    More apps - I think Microsoft has a better selection of apps. Desperately needs the UFC back though.

    Built-in calibration - Love how easy it is to calibrate your TV using this built-in setup.

    PS4
    95% of the library are native 1080p

    Playstation Plus service destroys XBL Gold

    The OS is easier to navigate and much less confusing

    PS4 has a larger list of exclusive games in 2014

    Easy to upgrade your hard drive

    Twitch/Ustream is really easy to use and works very well

    You can take snapshots as well as video, and upload to Facebook and Twitter
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    awesome points. i'm going to add those once i get home. you're right, kinect 2.0 shouldn't be there, i think i was saying more along the lines of...what xbox users probably find attractive about the xbox one. i feel like if they axed the Xbox One or asked everyone to return the camera, people would probably be more mad if Sony did that with its camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    awesome points. i'm going to add those once i get home. you're right, kinect 2.0 shouldn't be there, i think i was saying more along the lines of...what xbox users probably find attractive about the xbox one. i feel like if they axed the Xbox One or asked everyone to return the camera, people would probably be more mad if Sony did that with its camera.
    The camera is cool when you want to change the channel with your voice. But other than that, it is just a pain lol. Same goes for the Sony camera. I never use it because it is not perfect. Cameras are gimmicks, and gimmicks never work lol

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    I wasn't saying that NFL doesn't matter-more so I was wondering what actual functionality in terms of service, does it bring.

    Ff = fantasy football.

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    Surely soccer is bigger world wide than NFL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Surely soccer is bigger world wide than NFL?
    Sure - but there are no FIFA or local league deals are there?

    Conversely, PS4 has no such deals either - so doesn't actively work against the XB1 or for the PS4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethal View Post
    The camera is cool when you want to change the channel with your voice. But other than that, it is just a pain lol. Same goes for the Sony camera. I never use it because it is not perfect. Cameras are gimmicks, and gimmicks never work lol
    and that may be true...though do you not agree that most people likely use the camera? i have seen some videos where it seemed like people were using the camera for bringing up the menu...like that troll video where the guy has his name such as "Xbox Bing".

    i guess it would make sense to move that maybe down a tier because it doesn't bring anything to the table quite yet. i think i was defining the tier system from the point of what truly differentiates the two consoles however i can certainly redefine it by what people should be looking at right now and tier 2 can be stuff that can potentially turn out to be good. that's why PS Now is in the first tier. i can move that to teir two as well and actually write out what i mean by each tier. also, i think i'll just put them in tier 1, 2, and 3 because i realize i just numbered them as i replied to your post lol...
    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    I wasn't saying that NFL doesn't matter-more so I was wondering what actual functionality in terms of service, does it bring.

    Ff = fantasy football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K2D View Post
    LOL! The whole Idea of using tiers is Premo-subjective. *applause *

    PS4
    Upper Tier:
    - stronger console (some exclusives significantly perform/look better)
    - PS Now rental service (coming soon)
    - PS+ gives a tremendous value in games
    (requeired for online play)
    -
    a better DualShock
    - free access to apps/MMOs/X-game-chat/sharing/streaming
    - smaller/lighter form factor, more energy efficient
    now when you say a better dualshock, i think where i say a better controller, covers it because it is relevant to the X1...not supposed to be relevant to PS3.

    Medium Tier:
    - more robust first-party support (going by announced titles and known developers (as of right now and subjective (lol))
    - faster OS and dashboard/XMB
    - Twitch integration (right now) making it more socially appealing
    - 15 min record time (separated)
    - better indie/dev support (easier to develop for)
    i think separating the 15 min recording time is good. though combining the easier to develop for with better indie/dev support would minimalize the advantage because those are all very different things. it's easier to develop for and i think that's one reason it's getting better ports and more PC games. it has the developer support but that's mostly due to first party so that is covered. though better indie support should be written separate because those are different sorts of developers and a different sort of support.

    Low Tier:
    - voice command (moved down)
    - DLC deals (for parity)
    good idea, forgot about voice command!

    could you please elaborate on the DLC deals...what DLC deals does PS4 have at the moment?

    Xbox One
    Upper Tier:
    - Commercials
    lol

    Medium Tier:
    - has the edge in exclusives right now
    (agree, but subjective)
    - Xbox OS is fully featured - "all-in-one console"
    (lol)
    - Snap feature
    - 5(?) min record time (separated)
    i actually ended up taking out the 5 min recording time thingy because that's not an advatnage over the 15 minute PS4 already has. but the better video editor should go in there as lethal suggested.

    Lower Tier:
    - TV connectivity + a very expensive NFL deal
    - Kinect 2.0 - voice commands, possible better support for games
    (lol).
    - DLC deals
    (which?)
    - Twitch streaming 720p
    well, for one, MS has a deal for Ghosts (though i need confirmation) and I can confirm MS has a BF4 early access DLC deal.

    by "possible better support for games", I mean, it's possible that we may see some support for Kinect games in the future, i think it's inevitable. that's going to get more people on the console which means more software sales, more hardware sales and more importantly more ad revenues :P i have no reason to believe that it will not get better support than now.

    LOL Tier
    :
    - Azure services (potential for advantages in the future)
    - Windows 8 provides a plethora of new possibilities with apps (which could include social games)
    - Live beta updates and possibly more frequent updates

    (like this matter to anyone 'cept the inner fan circle)
    - TV connectivity
    - still retain better marketing techniques if not a much better marketing team (anymore at least)
    - cheaper SDK (not sure if this is true)
    - better Xbox Live deals (from what I gather)
    - DirectX 12 support (we will see what this will bring)
    - supposedly better tools coming as MS has more experienced tool engineers

    (but not as of right now)
    - full support for dedicated servers to all MP games

    (like Titanfall has demonstrated)
    live beta updates matter to core, it would matter to me. i want to see what PS is going to look like in the near future. it will keep me excited and more interested, i definitely see that as an advantage. of course, i did write a disclaimer in the beginning saying that some of these may not matter to all but at least to some it might thanks for the suggestions, i will edit my OP.
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    I am not digging the whole tier thing. Xbox One's upper tier is a little......odd. Kinect 2.0 is absolutely not a strong point for the console. I unplugged mine because it was pissing me off. Here is my list of Xbox One pros.

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    Video editor - Easily the best editor of the 2 consoles.

    Cable box integration - I find the built-in Xbox One channel guide to be easier to use and control.

    Battery life - The controllers battery life is probably 3x better than the PS4.

    More apps - I think Microsoft has a better selection of apps. Desperately needs the UFC back though.
    thank you for putting it more clearly, i meant for the TV connectivity + NFL to be that but i think it would be better to redo that and add these verbiage. battery life yes, i forgot, you mentioned that in your review. more apps, i added that with the Win 8 point but will make it more fleshed out and i agree, that is what intrigues me the most about X1.
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    95% of the library are native 1080p

    Playstation Plus service destroys XBL Gold

    The OS is easier to navigate and much less confusing

    PS4 has a larger list of exclusive games in 2014

    Easy to upgrade your hard drive

    Twitch/Ustream is really easy to use and works very well

    You can take snapshots as well as video, and upload to Facebook and Twitter
    figured my stronger console covered that but i think it needs to be redone if you have missed it. same goes for OS/Twitch/PS+/more support. will be redoing it. good point about facebook/twitter and HDD, will add those.

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    Convenience? To an extent.

    Not that it isn't already easy enough to pull up on a laptop, tablet or phone. But barring you have ANY of those devices on you at the same time, then yeah.

    Or barring a press of the 'AV source' button on your tv remote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    Convenience? To an extent.

    Not that it isn't already easy enough to pull up on a laptop, tablet or phone. But barring you have ANY of those devices on you at the same time, then yeah.

    Or barring a press of the 'AV source' button on your tv remote...
    you'd be surprised to see how far convenience goes. you could keep a debit card with you all the time right? you can have enough money in your debit card right? but you'd be surprised how many people still use the ATM machine to get money out and pay $2-$4 for doing it. heck, don't even get me started on the ones that take cash out a little earlier just to pay insanely high amounts of interest rates that occur daily. those places make money, why! but they do, and it shows you that people are mentally sick beings. they're easily manipulated.

    heck, people can learn how to type on a blackberry, they can learn how to use the mouse/keyboard, they can learn how to click on all programs, then sit their cursor on the program they want and then click on the exe file but guess what...they still prefer the tablets that you can touch to navigate and only need to touch an app (that is sitting there in front of them) once in order to turn it on.

    I suppose MS thought it mattered if they spent millions of dollars on it. i guess if we get data eventually saying, hey, that NFL thing doesn't matter and here's proof then i totally agree, it didn't work but as of right now, i feel that it should be added on because we don't know if it will do well or not...but could possibly. i definitely see worth in it for those joe six-packs. not for us gamers though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    you'd be surprised to see how far convenience goes. you could keep a debit card with you all the time right? you can have enough money in your debit card right? but you'd be surprised how many people still use the ATM machine to get money out and pay $2-$4 for doing it. heck, don't even get me started on the ones that take cash out a little earlier just to pay insanely high amounts of interest rates that occur daily. those places make money, why! but they do, and it shows you that people are mentally sick beings. they're easily manipulated.

    heck, people can learn how to type on a blackberry, they can learn how to use the mouse/keyboard, they can learn how to click on all programs, then sit their cursor on the program they want and then click on the exe file but guess what...they still prefer the tablets that you can touch to navigate and only need to touch an app (that is sitting there in front of them) once in order to turn it on.

    I suppose MS thought it mattered if they spent millions of dollars on it. i guess if we get data eventually saying, hey, that NFL thing doesn't matter and here's proof then i totally agree, it didn't work but as of right now, i feel that it should be added on because we don't know if it will do well or not...but could possibly. i definitely see worth in it for those joe six-packs. not for us gamers though.
    Might be a cultural thing - but Kiwis/Aussies don't tend to carry much cash; if none at all. Definitely not kiwis. EFTPOS for the MTFW!


    I know what you mean - but isn't it easier: TV Source (and/or channel change) > Xbox on/Xbox exit game + open NFL App/etc etc?


    Either way, my point is, apart form a marginal marketing/perception advantage (for Microsoft, not necessarily, or directly, for console owners) that it's not really bringing much?

    I don't intend to take away form everything else - I'm just stuck on this whole NFL "deal" really.
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    @Lethal. could you maybe compile a list of popular apps (if you don't want to do all apps) that X1 has? I was curious about this anyway. does it support all Win 8 apps or ones that are supported by X1? anyone else can dive in and answer this question. thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    MIght be a cultural thing - but Kiwis/AUssies don't tend to carry much cash. Definitely not kiwis. EFTPOS for the MTFW!


    I know what you mean - but isn't it easuier: TV Source (and/or channel change) > Xbox on/Xbox exit game + open NFL App/etc etc?


    Either way, my point is, apart form a marginal marketing/perception advantage (for Microsoft, not necessarily, or directly, for console owners) that it's not really bringing much?

    I don't intend to take away form everything else - I'm just stuck on this whole NFL "deal" really.
    lol i get what you mean. well, ok, does X1 also support TV functionality? like a tuner? because i thought it did and i meant to add this to the TV part...so like i don't see it as a separate additional thing but wanted to add as a side-note, happy?

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    i think separating the 15 min recording time is good. though combining the easier to develop for with better indie/dev support would minimalize the advantage because those are all very different things. it's easier to develop for and i think that's one reason it's getting better ports and more PC games. it has the developer support but that's mostly due to first party so that is covered. though better indie support should be written separate because those are different sorts of developers and a different sort of support.
    I skimmed this part but I think I agree.


    good idea, forgot about voice command!

    could you please elaborate on the DLC deals...what DLC deals does PS4 have at the moment?
    Assassins Creed 4



    - Commercials

    lol




    i actually ended up taking out the 5 min recording time thingy because that's not an advatnage over the 15 minute PS4 already has. but the better video editor should go in there as lethal suggested.
    Meh.



    live beta updates matter to core, it would matter to me. i want to see what PS is going to look like in the near future. it will keep me excited and more interested, i definitely see that as an advantage. of course, i did write a disclaimer in the beginning saying that some of these may not matter to all but at least to some it might thanks for the suggestions, i will edit my OP.
    Not everyone is prone to be in these beta's, if I'm not mistaken, only the most adamant of xbox players

    If not... :Panic:

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    Quote Originally Posted by K2D View Post
    I skimmed this part but I think I agree.



    Assassins Creed 4
    ah i stand corrected. i will then take out the DLC part. unless X1 has more deals right now...which i don't know yet.

    Not everyone is prone to be in these beta's, if I'm not mistaken, only the most adamant of xbox players

    If not... :Panic:
    not everyone cares about the form factor as well other than nerds like us but i put that in there :P

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