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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    that's just the problem. these things would not survive if there was no positive. it's a diversion tactic. this is why we fall for this $#@! every time. the sole reason for FB's existance is to make money and get more users. if you think for any minute that their plan is to "help" people, you are mistaken. that's just a bi-product and a bait.

    the real reason is intrusion and i did mention that big data in the wrong hands is bad...guess what, it's already happening. because there's no restriction on who can acquire this data. that is why it's ultimately bad for us than good.

    oh and i don't hate justin beiber, i have no reason to. i also don't hate on bush after i realized he was a puppet. i put him in the same category i put obama.

    i also don't have a political agenda because i don't associate myself with a party.
    I'm not talking about FB - specifically. I'm talking about data/big data.

    Lol Sufi, I also wasn't specifically talking about you. I'm saying is, there tends to be a mob mentality with this sorta thing.

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    I will start thinking more positively when someone gives me good reason to do so.
    Right now I'm not seeing any good reasons for it.
    Not even 1 positive?

    How about negatively?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    I'm not talking about FB - specifically. I'm talking about data/big data.
    i'm talking about big data in general.
    Lol Sufi, I also wasn't specifically talking about you. I'm saying is, there tends to be a mob mentality with this sorta thing.
    oh i know, i responded to it to say that i always have a reason behind it...a credible reason too...if you want me to show you why big data can be used to discriminate or oppress then i can find you examples.

    if i disliked justin bieber, my opinion wouldn't matter much if it didn't include the general population...well, here it does include the general population so my problem affects almost everyone.

    heck, i was actually being lenient by saying that if it gets into the wrong hands...because one of the examples is the government lol.
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    Meh - I guess I'm not as paranoid - or rather, I'm not too worried about the outcomes (not that I don't discount the government knowing what etc).

    Either we live as hermits, or conform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    Meh - I guess I'm not as paranoid - or rather, I'm not too worried about the outcomes (not that I don't discount the government knowing what etc).

    Either we live as hermits, or conform.
    There is a third way - the path of the conforming hermit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    Meh - I guess I'm not as paranoid - or rather, I'm not too worried about the outcomes (not that I don't discount the government knowing what etc).

    Either we live as hermits, or conform.
    you don't live in the US. this is where it's rampant. and it's not about the govt. only, big data is a multibillion dollar industry (AKA marketing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    you don't live in the US. this is where it's rampant. and it's not about the govt. only, big data is a multibillion dollar industry (AKA marketing).
    Sure - but people are scared about.... ads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    Sure - but people are scared about.... ads?
    You've never heard of the term "viral marketing"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varsh View Post
    You've never heard of the term "viral marketing"?
    Viral marketing as in JJ Abrams and tat movie with the handy cam; or the ones that kill people?

    On a serious note, we're also weary about ads posed in a non-traditional 'ad way'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admartian View Post
    Sure - but people are scared about.... ads?
    no. it goes much deeper. information (especially very specific and accurate ones) can be used as a form of oppression and a way to keep the people in fear. if you look at the history, you will realize that when a regime collects/registers information about its population (or in some cases, population it is invading...or going to invade...e.g. before jews invaded the palestinians they collected information about population/live stock/weapons etc. e.g. british empire also collected information about Americans to keep them suppressed.

    information is a tool to understand where everyone stands and it can also be used to target specific individuals. this has happened before in the US, US has done this in other nations, there are companies out there that use this to discriminate (age for one) and the potential is unlimited to how far you can go.

    nazis did this to jews during WWII, interesting bit:

    "...IBM's technology helped facilitate Nazi genocide through generation and tabulation of punch cards based upon national census data."

    "In the early 1880s, Herman Hollerith (1860–1929), a young employee at the U.S. Census Bureau, conceived of the idea of creating readable cards with standardized perforations, each representing specific individual traits such as gender, nationality, and occupation. The millions of punched cards created for the population counted in the national census could then be sorted on the basis of specific bits of information they contained—thereby providing a quantified portrait of the nation."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

    it is a form of oppression and can potentially mean tyranny in the wrong hands.

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    The hands of the US government certainly aren't the right ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    The hands of the US government certainly aren't the right ones.
    yup, and that's why this is something that will see an affect quite openly and quite soon.

    e.g. someone should google "big data price discrimination" and see what you get. read into it.

    "Back in 2008, reported how the Sheltons were denied health insurance when records of their prescription drug purchases were pulled. Even though their blood pressure and anti-depression medications were for relatively minor conditions, the Sheltons had fallen into another algorithmic dead zone in which certain kinds of purchases trigger red flags that lead to denial of coverage."

    "Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina recently began buying spending data on more than 3 million people in its employer group plans. If someone, say, purchases plus-size clothing, the health plan could flag him for potential obesity—and then call or send mailings offering weight-loss solutions."

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/0...as-big-dangers

    another example was where this mechanic charged a disabled man 3x more money to fix his car because he knew that the guy had no way to go around town to look for different prices. can't find this one but it was on NPR as well.

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    Pretty much guarantees I'll never by an Oculus Rift.

    C'est la vie.

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    Oculus didn't expect such a negative reaction to Facebook deal

    "I don't think we expected it to be so negative," Oculus VR executive Nate Mitchell says.


    Following the surprise announcement Tuesday that Facebook had purchased Oculus VR for $2 billion, positive and negative comments flowed forth from social media. Oculus VR vice president Nate Mitchell said in a new interview with Game Informer that he expected to get some heat from its core fans over the deal, but said he was surprised by the outpouring of negativity from the community at large.
    "We assumed that the reaction would be negative, especially from our core community," Mitchell said. "Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. I don't think we expected it to be so negative."
    In the time that's passed, Mitchell said he's already starting to see the conversation on Twitter and Reddit "swinging back the opposite direction." He stressed that it's up to Oculus VR to educate people on why the deal makes sense and should be considered a good thing.
    21-year-old Oculus Rift creator Palmer Luckey has been busy doing just that. Immediately following the announcement of the acquisition, he answered dozens of questions on Redditabout privacy concerns and what the deal means for the future of Oculus. For more on the Oculus VR/Facebook deal, check out editorials from GameSpot editors Tom McShea andPeter Brown.
    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ocu.../1100-6418626/

    O really?!
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    oh we had no idea *while putting the 2b in the pocket*

    facebook is evil? and this would likely be just another plot that would further their evil dominance? omg really, no way.

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    At absolute best this is Facebook choosing to expanding its reach into other categories to maintain a wider position of control (much like Google had been doing for years). The Oculus will still adhere to its intended purpose and serve gamers well. Maybe with Facebook's bank account backing it we can see an even greater potential.

    As worst this thing will be a pseudo-gaming device that's used for further data mining and collection.

    The outcome will be a mix of both, likely. Either way I kinda hate facebook and any real association with it. Hopefully this acquisition doesn't impede the glory of the Oculus, but if it does then a new soldier will undoubtedly carry the flag for us.

    I think we should all wait and see what actually comes from it first.
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    I would rather Microsoft bought the damn company. They at least are a software company. Or Sony they make hardware. ... Facebook? Even their own site is ran on programmes Zuckerman stole! This is a disaster waiting to happen. How deep in debt were occulus developers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    I would rather Microsoft bought the damn company. They at least are a software company. Or Sony they make hardware. ... Facebook? Even their own site is ran on programmes Zuckerman stole! This is a disaster waiting to happen. How deep in debt were occulus developers?

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    None at all. They recently got a 70+ million dollar investment towards development and Valve announced they were sharing all their tech and research on VR with them. They really didnt need to be bought. Do you know how many thousands of people ordered dev kits and were ready to buy the next one? They could have made it financially imo.





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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsJester View Post
    None at all. They recently got a 70+ million dollar investment towards development and Valve announced they were sharing all their tech and research on VR with them. They really didnt need to be bought. Do you know how many thousands of people ordered dev kits and were ready to buy the next one? They could have made it financially imo.
    If that was remotely true they wouldn't have sold seeing as they would have made far more then 2 billion sticking with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    If that was remotely true they wouldn't have sold seeing as they would have made far more then 2 billion sticking with it.

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    Everyone has a price. At 21 i would probably sell out my dreams for 2 billion so i dont blame him. He still gets to work on it as well so he just basically sold ownership and his soul.





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    He didn't sell his soul. In fact, I think this was a very smart move for him. If anyone got royally screwed on this deal, it was facebook.

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    Just for the record I would sell my soul for 2 billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisw26308 View Post
    Just for the record I would sell my soul for 2 billion.

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