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    i'm surprised people are saying that it was a good move. maybe last generation but they will probably come back this time. they have no reason to fail. Sony probably sold it because they are trying to trim the fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i'm surprised people are saying that it was a good move. maybe last generation but they will probably come back this time. they have no reason to fail. Sony probably sold it because they are trying to trim the fat.
    Yep theyre definitely trimming the fat especially since Sony forcasted a loss of a billion dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i'm surprised people are saying that it was a good move. maybe last generation but they will probably come back this time. they have no reason to fail. Sony probably sold it because they are trying to trim the fat.
    I'll believe it when I see it, the past 10 years have been pathetic from SE and we're STILL waiting for vs13/15 and are still no closer to a release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronSOLDIER View Post
    I'll believe it when I see it, the past 10 years have been pathetic from SE and we're STILL waiting for vs13/15 and are still no closer to a release.
    last generation was a cluster $#@! of disasters and death of genres. JRPG was one of them...it's not all SE's fault but yes, they could've gotten their $#@! together, they were the only ones that had the ability to do so.

    however, things were tough for them likely more than the western developers/publishers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i'm surprised people are saying that it was a good move. maybe last generation but they will probably come back this time. they have no reason to fail. Sony probably sold it because they are trying to trim the fat.
    You have to look at it as Sony just being a stockholder for an investment. If anybody remembers, Square and Playstation really grew together with the original Playstation, then started having falling out with each other with the PS2. Square flubbed up with Spirits Within, almost going completely under, and Sony probably thought they could patch things up with Square with Sakaguchi leaving. Sony did have more say with the direction Square was going and really backed FFXIII. Then came the E3 with Mattrick's smug grin, claiming FFXIII for the 360. That was supposed to be a megaton but Square got in a quagmire by completely redoing their Crystal engine.

    Sony's share of stock was not buying any influence with the Square-Enix board, it wasn't getting them any deals on exclusives, and it is a very poor performing stock (although somebody made a ton of money because SQNXF skyrocketed to record height about 3 months ago and has since collapsed). As an investment holding, Sony holding on to Square-Enix stock would have been very low return, if not loss. Better for Sony to get the cash back for their own projects.
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    oh yea, i get you. i feel the same way. i definitely do understand why they sold it but i think it's one of those you can put under "timing" because i feel like if Sony wasn't trimming the fat, they would've probably put more faith into them. they don't have the time to wait for things to happen now especially how well they've been doing.

    they can put that money into something else that they "know" or are confident that it will pan out well.

    so yeah, who knows, they might buy more stock later on...or not lol. either way, i still think SE is going to make some sort of a comeback...or they're going to go out of business. now is the perfect time to focus on JRPGs.

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    Yeah, a lot of people forget or don't know Sony has a Financial Division. All it does is investing in all kinds of financials and last quarter, was one of the best performing divisions:

    http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/fina.../13q3_sony.pdf

    So, looking at Squenix as just an investment stock, investments with better rates of return are more attractive. It looks like there was a huge anticipation and buildup to the Tomb Raider Remastered being some kind of huge cult hit and that didn't happen. Good game but not huge sales. Squenix moving to MMO is a big expense to keep subscribers, especially in the face of Everquestnext being F2P MMO from Sony. Squenix is doing better, just not great and this development time for FFXV is not a good indicator.
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    wait, isn't FFXV really FFXIII versus?

    SE are doomed lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    wait, isn't FFXV really FFXIII versus?

    SE are doomed lol.
    Did you not make this connection when you replied to Aaron's post earlier?

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    Did anybody play Lightning Returns?

    God, that game was so bad it blows my mind. Ugh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black View Post
    Did you not make this connection when you replied to Aaron's post earlier?
    no i actually forgot about that lol. i keep thinking FFXV will be a completely new game. oh well...they can always make another...but yeah, they need to just abandon that dumb game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    no i actually forgot about that lol. i keep thinking FFXV will be a completely new game. oh well...they can always make another...but yeah, they need to just abandon that dumb game.
    The fact that they renamed it annoys me. Final Fantasy XV could have been the title for a new Final Fantasy by Hiroyuki Ito, conveniently following the title tradition (Final Fantasy VI, IX, XII etc) but no, Square Enix wants us to pretend that we haven't been waiting an entire console generation for Tetsuya Nomura's take on the series.

    I could get over that if Square Enix didn't also keep quiet about Dragon Quest VII for 3DS or Dragon Quest X. It's funny how this company loves to announce their projects early, keep us waiting and then go on record to say something along the lines of how they understand their consumers like RPGs. Sell the IP to Level-5 (they develop the games anyway) and I'll be excited.

    Kingdom Hearts III? I don't even care. Ridiculous, convoluted story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black View Post
    The fact that they renamed it annoys me. Final Fantasy XV could have been the title for a new Final Fantasy by Hiroyuki Ito, conveniently following the title tradition (Final Fantasy VI, IX, XII etc) but no, Square Enix wants us to pretend that we haven't been waiting an entire console generation for Tetsuya Nomura's take on the series.

    I could get over that if Square Enix didn't also keep quiet about Dragon Quest VII for 3DS or Dragon Quest X. It's funny how this company loves to announce their projects early, keep us waiting and then go on record to say something along the lines of how they understand their consumers like RPGs. Sell the IP to Level-5 (they develop the games anyway) and I'll be excited.

    Kingdom Hearts III? I don't even care. Ridiculous, convoluted story.

    It bugged me as well with the name change. I'd have preferred it as XIII-3...lol. The game wasn't bad at all and at least the story ended in a good note, finally made sense too. Although having the Final Fantasy feeling...it just felt odd playing the demo.

    I hope they do bring a FFXII/DQVIII HD Collection.

    As for Kingdom Hearts 3. It's about to be a decade since Kingdom Hearts 2 was released. All of these portable games have been filling up the gaps of the scientific research of the heartless and history of the Organization XIII. I can send you a 30 minute ( or more?) from GameTrailers. They did a really good summarizing every thing to clear the smoke and its interesting. Want me to post for you, Black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robvandam111 View Post
    It bugged me as well with the name change. I'd have preferred it as XIII-3...lol. The game wasn't bad at all and at least the story ended in a good note, finally made sense too. Although having the Final Fantasy feeling...it just felt odd playing the demo.

    I hope they do bring a FFXII/DQVIII HD Collection.

    As for Kingdom Hearts 3. It's about to be a decade since Kingdom Hearts 2 was released. All of these portable games have been filling up the gaps of the scientific research of the heartless and history of the Organization XIII. I can send you a 30 minute ( or more?) from GameTrailers. They did a really good summarizing every thing to clear the smoke and its interesting. Want me to post for you, Black?
    No, that's okay. I'm really just not a fan of the series anymore.

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    "All of these portable games have been filling up the gaps of the scientific research of the heartless and history of the Organization XIII."

    lol that sounds awful. why the $#@! is it called XIII? oh maybe because it just happened so that FF was nearing its thirteenth iteration sometimes the japanese make me cringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    "All of these portable games have been filling up the gaps of the scientific research of the heartless and history of the Organization XIII."

    lol that sounds awful. why the $#@! is it called XIII? oh maybe because it just happened so that FF was nearing its thirteenth iteration sometimes the japanese make me cringe.
    Actually, they have been known since Chain of Memories. And, there's a XIV member.

    Despite the long wait. They have already said this will be final game for the "Saga". If there's a Kingdom Hearts IV it'd have to have high expectations. I'm only interested how this trilogy will end.

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    why can't they just make a real $#@!ing final fantasy game for once. jesus!

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    FFXV is starting to sound a lot like Cereberus. Seems Square has difficulties doing action shooters. They should get it out the door as a prequel to a full FFXVI in 2016. Yeah, their development times are getting so long, they don't get enough titles out and that is what is hitting their bottom line. FFXIV was reported a couple weeks ago to have 2 million subscribers but that seems like all platforms combined. It remains to be seen if that grows or tapers off as more F2P MMO come out.
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    I could imagine if Square the company its turned into these had tons of money they would payed off the percent that Sony owned a while ago. FFXV and KH3 will take years to release i can guarantee that.
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    ohh square soft how i miss them. ff15 better shine in their favor. i wouldve done the same as sony but on the time when ff13 came out.
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    ^I would love to agree with that but the next FF is just FFvsXIII so **** that.

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