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we all know that vigilante lied about everything.
Being completely honest - I don't see either car (Stewart, or the blue one head of him) accelerating. And in response to your later comment about the blue car slowing down... I really don't see that either.
Like I said though - if Stewart wanted to hit Ward intentionally, he would've done it head on. The wing is what clipped him and it's evident in the gif. If Ward would've moved back to his right (Tony's left) after the blue car passed, and he still got hit, I absolutely would agree that the whole thing would've been intentional. But Ward didn't move back, he moved into Tony's blind spot and got killed as a result.Platinum/100%: -Fallout 3- -Call of Duty: World at War- -Bioshock- -Modern Warfare 2- -Bioshock 2- -Bioshock: Infinite- -Call of Duty: Black Ops-
he didn't move, that's exactly the point i'm trying to make. if he didn't move and wasn't hit before, that clearly means tony's car wasn't in the same direction the blue one was. and generally when the driver in front of you has taken precaution, you should have more time to do it.
Ward WOULD'VE been hit if he didn't move out of the blue car's way though. He would've still been clipped by the wings, just like what happened when Stewart hit him. As I've said before, I don't see the blue car taking any precaution. To my eyes, Ward is the one who's moving to avoid any accidents, not the blue one, and not Stewart.Platinum/100%: -Fallout 3- -Call of Duty: World at War- -Bioshock- -Modern Warfare 2- -Bioshock 2- -Bioshock: Infinite- -Call of Duty: Black Ops-
another thing, yes, he moved out of the blue car's way, and that's why it's important to note because he didn't move towards the track after that, in fact, he kept moving outwards, so again considering that the car in front of him slowed down, it should have given tony enough time to see what was going on, drivers aren't blind on the track, they can see what's going on. it's not a 200mph track.
At this point it's hard to argue it because you're literally seeing something that I'm not seeing. The only cars I see going slow are the ones coming in after Ward was hit.
With that said, drivers may not be blind, but they DO have blind spots. I believe Ward was in that blind spot. It's not a 200mph track, but sprint cars are capable of going above 140mph, and although he may not have been going that fast, it's not like he's driving down a neighborhood street either.Platinum/100%: -Fallout 3- -Call of Duty: World at War- -Bioshock- -Modern Warfare 2- -Bioshock 2- -Bioshock: Infinite- -Call of Duty: Black Ops-
I have no idea what to believe based on the video Huffington Post used on their article. According to CBS news, one possibility is the right rear of the car is what hit him. Maybe it was result of him trying to get out of the way?
EDIT: Apparently, there's a second video that authorities obtained from another fan who recorded the incident that gives the "ring rear tire" idea some validity.
The video hasn't gone public yet though, so take it as you will.
Last edited by Boxman; 08-19-2014 at 20:00.
from what i see, he was trying to get away. in the split second that the blue car goes past him, note how he never recovers, he jumps out of the way from the blue car and the camera goes back to him and it seems that he realized tony's car was going to hit him, so from what i see is that he tried to retreat again. since he had already retreated from the previous car, this "could" also mean that tony's car was coming towards his direction more than the previous car because he never went towards the track after the blue car passed him.
I read up some stuff on sprint cars and apparently you steer them more with the throttle than the steering wheel itself because they handle better at higher speeds, also to make the rear of the car turn left you have to accelerate and turn the steering wheel to the right
How else is he going to move in a different direction without turning? He doesn't have to be at the corner to go left.
That would give the right rear tire theory even more leeway. Ward didn't foresee the car ass-ending him, hence why he got hit and dragged, but wasn't hit when the nose of the car passes him.
Last edited by Boxman; 08-19-2014 at 20:24. Reason: acidentally'd my grammar
any racing car would typically go right before making a left, that's the basic foundation of cornering.
and yes, throttling makes sense if you want to turn a certain way in a muddy track. That’s not exclusive to these cars or track, it’s called drifting.
where i think none of that applies is because
1) he wasn’t cornering, he didn’t need to go right in order to go left. Which is what you do when you’re cornering.
2) he doesn’t need to do the throttle to turn because he wasn’t supposed to be racing/speeding, he was slowing down and/or trying to avoid ward…from what we agree so far. Unless you’re telling me that he wasn’t trying to avoid him and never saw him there…so you’d have to throw out the throttle and cornering technique because according to you guys, he was doing that in order to avoid ward.
What I’m saying is that you don’t have to throttle in order to turn these cars, that’s ridiculous, it would make these cars extremely dangerous…this technique would likely be used when you’re racing and speeding, not when you’re slowing down and turning. You’d have to otherwise prove that these cars can’t turn without throttling or in other words, drifting.
Throttle would make sense if he was cornering and was in a race. You should be able to slow down and turn as well.
3) he was clearly coming at him before he even throttled. So to me, none of those apply regardless. Why would you come towards a person if you were trying to avoid them? Makes no sense to me. Tony follows the same laws of physics that we do…I’m curious as to why these cars aren’t normal and you have to drift in order to make the smallest changes in direction. with all due respect, that's bull.
1. But he didn't go right until Ward was being dragged by the tires. If anything, he went left but the tail end went right, IF he did see him. Taking into account what MAY have happened, I think Stewart may have turned left first and ass-ended him as a result.
2. Regarding not seeing him, I'm going to backpedal what I said about that too. Given how his car is built, how much time he had to see Ward prior to hitting him, and how the accident might have possibly happened according to authorities, it is definitely possible that he saw them.
3. He was not coming at Ward. Watch it again. The nose of the car clearly missed Ward.
Well I was just going by an article written by someone who has driven a winged sprint car...
Look at the video :036. That, to me, seems to be the moment of impact. The back side of the car turns left as the car as a whole starts veering right. It really doesn't look intentional to me.
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