Kutaragi Justifies Expensive PS3

[MGSfan]

The footage from the FFVIII ballroom demo may not have been surpassed but there are definetly games that have come close to the visuals seen in the demo.
For example the character's faces in MGS3 are definetly on par with the demo, check out some pics here and judge for yourself
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/m....html?page=289
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/m....html?page=274

Now you cant deny that those pics look close to the one's seen in the FFVII ballroom demo.

Too bad it wasn't until almost 5 years after the system's launch that games started to display that kind of visual. In addition, the Gypsy demo face was never relized in games, outside of FMV.

The question is whether stuff similar to what Sony showed in Killzone2 and the FF VII demo will be available at launch or will everyone end up waiting 5 years again...

One thing you have to give MS, everything they showed was running on Alpha Development kits in complete realtime on the show floor. Most of the games shown were playable.

Ofcourse they've got playable demos they're closer to launch then Sony are and I'm sure that Sony will have playble demos at TGS, well atleast I hope so

[Epsilon-Zero]

Nitpicking or not the debate was what looks better and the little things do count in this kind of debate.

Im a broken record? Your the one who comes back with excuses and more excuses to why the PS2 games have surpassed the BallRoom demo.

Sure i dont mention every detail in the games that you support as looking superior with an example in the BallRoom Demo because i dont have to. It should be blindingly obviouse to anyone who has seen the BallRoom demo that the PS2 has failed to match that kind of graphical detail and complexity, which makes up a beautiful sequence that the PS2 hasnt touched.

But yet here you are bringing up example after example to which i can cite something in the BallRoom demo that is still superior. Its pointless for me to continue because you cant seem to grasp how technically challenging and beautiful the FF8 Demo is compared to anything in Real Time on the PS2.

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

[siren]

Nitpicking or not the debate was what looks better and the little things do count in this kind of debate.

Im a broken record? Your the one who comes back with excuses and more excuses to why the PS2 games have surpassed the BallRoom demo.

Sure i dont mention every detail in the games that you support as looking superior with an example in the BallRoom Demo because i dont have to. It should be blindingly obviouse to anyone who has seen the BallRoom demo that the PS2 has failed to match that kind of graphical detail and complexity, which makes up a beautiful sequence that the PS2 hasnt touched.

But yet here you are bringing up example after example to which i can cite something in the BallRoom demo that is still superior. Its pointless for me to continue because you cant seem to grasp how technically challenging and beautiful the FF8 Demo is compared to anything in Real Time on the PS2.

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

In addition, while some games have matched the faces in the FF VIII demo, they have failed in the clothing. Or matched the clothing and failed in the faces. Or had great lighting and fast camera and virtually no clothing movement or more than a generic face.

The thing is, yes, some games have matched or possibly surpised little bits of the FF VIII demo, but none has come even close to matching it in general.

[Damnit]

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

Then frikkin live with it. Did it hurt your feelings oh so much that you wanna whine 5 years after that demo was released?! Coz it certainly didn't hurt my feelings. I found the graphics enough back then and even now good enough to salivate over. And most of the people playing the games I mentioned feel the same way or it would have been a major dent on Sony's sales if what you're saying was the case(Lies, deceit blabla).

Why are you creating such a big fuss over something that many others don't even find an issue? The only ones who're complaining, are people like you. I don't hear complains from any other around here. Do you?

Its about time you get over it dear! There are games that look quite good on PS2 and their are people who believe that they really do. Some will even go as far as to say they look better than Sony's competitors.

Nobody is putting a gun to your mouth to accept Sony's graphics hype or lies as you wanna call it. Did you accept it last-gen? You didn't, right! So don't believe it now either, simple as that! But atleast respect others who do find Sony delivering on its promises. You don't have to call them fanboys or whatever for the opinions that they hold.

[MGSfan]

Nitpicking or not the debate was what looks better and the little things do count in this kind of debate.

Im a broken record? Your the one who comes back with excuses and more excuses to why the PS2 games have surpassed the BallRoom demo.

Sure i dont mention every detail in the games that you support as looking superior with an example in the BallRoom Demo because i dont have to. It should be blindingly obviouse to anyone who has seen the BallRoom demo that the PS2 has failed to match that kind of graphical detail and complexity, which makes up a beautiful sequence that the PS2 hasnt touched.

But yet here you are bringing up example after example to which i can cite something in the BallRoom demo that is still superior. Its pointless for me to continue because you cant seem to grasp how technically challenging and beautiful the FF8 Demo is compared to anything in Real Time on the PS2.

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

In addition, while some games have matched the faces in the FF VIII demo, they have failed in the clothing. Or matched the clothing and failed in the faces. Or had great lighting and fast camera and virtually no clothing movement or more than a generic face.

The thing is, yes, some games have matched or possibly surpised little bits of the FF VIII demo, but none has come even close to matching it in general.

You've got some pionts here, I have yet to see a game that can match the clothing seen on the demo, even though I haven't seen the demo for quite a while now does anyone know where I can find it?

[Nstriker20]

The footage from the FFVIII ballroom demo may not have been surpassed but there are definetly games that have come close to the visuals seen in the demo.
For example the character's faces in MGS3 are definetly on par with the demo, check out some pics here and judge for yourself
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/m....html?page=289
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/m....html?page=274

Now you cant deny that those pics look close to the one's seen in the FFVII ballroom demo.

Too bad it wasn't until almost 5 years after the system's launch that games started to display that kind of visual. In addition, the Gypsy demo face was never relized in games, outside of FMV.

The question is whether stuff similar to what Sony showed in Killzone2 and the FF VII demo will be available at launch or will everyone end up waiting 5 years again...

One thing you have to give MS, everything they showed was running on Alpha Development kits in complete realtime on the show floor. Most of the games shown were playable.

Siren did u watch Sony's 1 hour + presentation on the PS3 power without even using the RSX prior to the E3 2005 show. The Demo of that Ureal tournament dude with a Gun fighting that robot, the graphics was in real time because after they showed that demo they went back to it and one guy was controlling the camera angle and he showed us that he could zoom in into the characters and display the details of what they are wearing and what they where doing at that specific time. The guy even went as far as looking outside at the environment. If that was not in real time there is no way he could have done that.

I guess everybody was so cut up in the debate about killzone whether that graphic display was real time or not because it just looks too good to be true.

And heck what is the rush if we have to wait 5 years to see that kind of graphics we saw on killzone at the E3 2005 show, its not like we are going anywhere. We all are still going to be on earth for quite some time Hopefully. Its all in GOD's Hands anyway all we can do is just hope and pray.

[The Chocobo Kid]

I don't think we well get games that look like killzone on the first day of ps3. but we should get good games that look like that on the end or seconde year.

[Epsilon-Zero]

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

Then frikkin live with it. Did it hurt your feelings oh so much that you wanna whine 5 years after that demo was released?! Coz it certainly didn't hurt my feelings. I found the graphics enough back then and even now good enough to salivate over. And most of the people playing the games I mentioned feel the same way or it would have been a major dent on Sony's sales if what you're saying was the case(Lies, deceit blabla).

Why are you creating such a big fuss over something that many others don't even find an issue? The only ones who're complaining, are people like you. I don't hear complains from any other around here. Do you?

Its time you get over it dear. There are games that look quite good on PS2. Nobody is putting a gun to your mouth to accept Sony's graphics hype or lies as you wanna call it. Did you accept it last-gen? You didn't right! So don't believe it now either, simple! But atleast respect others who do find sony delivering on promises. You don't have to call them fanboys or whatever. Just act like a mod, ok

Excuse me? Did you just attempt to talk down to me?

Listen sport, your the one who said that PS2 games have matched the Ball Room Demo and I and others have provided many examples to why your logic and reasoning is flawed.

Im not creating a fuss, you are just making it difficult to get a point across and in which case i have to dwell into into more details so that you can understand.

I never complained or whined about Sonys Ball Room demo being out of reach of the PS2. I only provided information and examples that the PS2 didnt measure up to the Demo and you disbelieved despite everything put in front of you, no matter how many examples i put up.

As far as why i called you a fanboy i believe my point will be made in the deffinition of what a fanboy is.

One of the deffinitons of a Fanboy is

"FanBoys refuse to conceed to valid points made in defence of other consoles, and talk about their console of choice as if it is the only logical choice. "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=fanboy&page=2

Anouther Deffiniton is

"Fanboys are noted for a very emotional attachment to their chosen subject, often taking negative remarks about it as a personal attack. They will readily engage in debates, but will fall back on emotional responses."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

So lets move on sonny.

[Nstriker20]

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

Then frikkin live with it. Did it hurt your feelings oh so much that you wanna whine 5 years after that demo was released?! Coz it certainly didn't hurt my feelings. I found the graphics enough back then and even now good enough to salivate over. And most of the people playing the games I mentioned feel the same way or it would have been a major dent on Sony's sales if what you're saying was the case(Lies, deceit blabla).

Why are you creating such a big fuss over something that many others don't even find an issue? The only ones who're complaining, are people like you. I don't hear complains from any other around here. Do you?

Its time you get over it dear. There are games that look quite good on PS2. Nobody is putting a gun to your mouth to accept Sony's graphics hype or lies as you wanna call it. Did you accept it last-gen? You didn't right! So don't believe it now either, simple! But atleast respect others who do find sony delivering on promises. You don't have to call them fanboys or whatever. Just act like a mod, ok

Excuse me? Did you just attempt to talk down to me?

Listen sport, your the one who said that PS2 games have matched the Ball Room Demo and I and others have provided many examples to why your logic and reasoning is flawed.

Im not creating a fuss, you are just making it difficult to get a point across and in which case i have to dwell into into more details so that you can understand.

I never complained or whined about Sonys Ball Room demo being out of reach of the PS2. I only provided information and examples that the PS2 didnt measure up to the Demo and you disbelieved despite everything put in front of you, no matter how many examples i put up.

As far as why i called you a fanboy i believe my point will be made in the deffinition of what a fanboy is.

One of the deffinitons of a Fanboy is

"FanBoys refuse to conceed to valid points made in defence of other consoles, and talk about their console of choice as if it is the only logical choice. "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=fanboy&page=2

Anouther Deffiniton is

"Fanboys are noted for a very emotional attachment to their chosen subject, often taking negative remarks about it as a personal attack. They will readily engage in debates, but will fall back on emotional responses."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

So lets move on sonny.

Epsilon-Zero Killzone 1 for the PS2 has if i may archeived the full potencial of the PS2 graphics, i have got to admit it even looks equal or better than Halo's (1&2) graphics and i am a halo fan too. The reason i can say This is because i physically own both games and played both games. The only thing i can say that is worng with killzone 1 that xbox's halo has over it are it's controls, killzone controls are way too slow. The Humans in killzone walk a little bit too slow and the controls for aiming too has that slight problem. But graphics wise Killzone is on par with halo's graphics and both graphics of each game are sensational. Those two games really display the individual console processing power.Why do u think that Sony is using Killzone to display the power of the PS3, cus they know how good it looks on PS2.


P.S what more do u want from a Console that cost $299U.S.D when it was released. U guys are acting like the PS2 is a super computer. Thats PS3 JOB.


WaSaBe U mean PS3 not PS2[/b]

[Damnit]

Oh dear, you really nailed it, didn't you? So you wanna make it personal now? So be it mr.mod!

Nice definitions. So you were expecting me to support my arguments by mentioning graphic heavy games that weren't on the PS2 platform? Is that it? How is anyone suppose to do that, ah champ!

Just go back and read the argument we had. You jumped at me first, calling me fanboy for no reason, than what could be your utter frustration.

You wanna make a point across, do it as you say it should be done, constructively. You n I were just moving around in circles. You called them visuals not ok, I found them ok. What the heck was left to be constructive than pointing out similar examples from other sources. Oh but then you went ahead n called me a fanboy just because I did so! And the whole argument turned to another point. Frikkin genius of you I say. Bravo on that chief!

Oh n I forgot to say Thanks EpZ, that was "really really" constructive of you to stop me in my footsteps using the fanboy terminology, when I was actually trying to make a relevant and valid point by going across similar platform for example purposes. But no, you wanted to make your point across more aggressively and wanted it to be heard eh. So did you?

Next time, when you don't let frustration get to your head, then we'll have more arguments. And if you can't live with lies deceit, then like what you want to like and don't force others to accept what you find oh so dear.

I tried to make it clear up there in the first post that this is going nowhere but you just keep bringing it up again n again. Listen to yourself first kid, then call others fanboy! You're the life of these forums for sure!

[Showdown]

I dont care how many PS2s have sold or how many of their competitors have sold. The point is Sony gave us a sales pitch back in 2000 that was a Lie. They told us the Emotion Engine was going to do all of this and almost 6 years later, they still havent delivered.

Some games have come close, but the debate wasnt whether games could come close, it was if the games have matched that kind of graphical detail and complexity to look the best.

Then frikkin live with it. Did it hurt your feelings oh so much that you wanna whine 5 years after that demo was released?! Coz it certainly didn't hurt my feelings. I found the graphics enough back then and even now good enough to salivate over. And most of the people playing the games I mentioned feel the same way or it would have been a major dent on Sony's sales if what you're saying was the case(Lies, deceit blabla).

Why are you creating such a big fuss over something that many others don't even find an issue? The only ones who're complaining, are people like you. I don't hear complains from any other around here. Do you?

Its time you get over it dear. There are games that look quite good on PS2. Nobody is putting a gun to your mouth to accept Sony's graphics hype or lies as you wanna call it. Did you accept it last-gen? You didn't right! So don't believe it now either, simple! But atleast respect others who do find sony delivering on promises. You don't have to call them fanboys or whatever. Just act like a mod, ok

Excuse me? Did you just attempt to talk down to me?

Listen sport, your the one who said that PS2 games have matched the Ball Room Demo and I and others have provided many examples to why your logic and reasoning is flawed.

Im not creating a fuss, you are just making it difficult to get a point across and in which case i have to dwell into into more details so that you can understand.

I never complained or whined about Sonys Ball Room demo being out of reach of the PS2. I only provided information and examples that the PS2 didnt measure up to the Demo and you disbelieved despite everything put in front of you, no matter how many examples i put up.

As far as why i called you a fanboy i believe my point will be made in the deffinition of what a fanboy is.

One of the deffinitons of a Fanboy is

"FanBoys refuse to conceed to valid points made in defence of other consoles, and talk about their console of choice as if it is the only logical choice. "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=fanboy&page=2

Anouther Deffiniton is

"Fanboys are noted for a very emotional attachment to their chosen subject, often taking negative remarks about it as a personal attack. They will readily engage in debates, but will fall back on emotional responses."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

So lets move on sonny.

I thought calling somone a fanboy was against the rules? or do they not apply to mods... but Epsilon is right about the fact that the PS2 didn't really live up to expectations graphicly, im just hoping we're not being taken for another ride this gen.

[Nstriker20]

Please Play Killzone for PS2 before u make that kind of comment Showdown. That game's graphics is the best so far on PS2. For that amount of money that the PS2 cost that time it was released, u guys are truly acting like PS2 is the mother of all super computers. Anything short from being overwhelmingly shocking of the PS2 graphics i am sorry to say is a failure in some people eyes. We got what we payed for, i am satisfied with the PS2 graphics up till now.