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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDragon7 View Post
    Your not the only person in the crowd they're catering to. Between Avatar and Transformers, 3-hour movies need to go away. Get to the point and be done with it.

    Alright, after thinking about it for a while, maybe pushing it to 3 hours wouldn't be bad. As i mentioned to Ixion further down, I'd definitely like to see some pacing in the sequel. I don't mind getting through this one faster. Second book is my favorite so that's kinda my unspoken reason.

    This movie benefits from the Twilight effect, thankfully. A strong and passionate fan base which might break records with this movie, especially since this one actually has the male audience too.

    You realize how limited the CGI was right?

    I don't think either of those books addressed the statement of entertainment of televised death. And if that's not your concern then you missed the point of this book.

    The statement isn't in one or two scenes, it's the entirety. There was blood and bodies, do you need to see heads exploding? Which doesn't even happen in the book either. There's a kid viciously ripped apart... right, they don't show every single organ ripped out, that the problem?

    It's a propaganda film showing their control. It's not meant to instill fear.

    Cause the movie showed that they enjoyed the arena, so why not stay a bit longer... makes sense.

    Looking at the previous quote, I could say the same to you. You didn't like what the director did, even if the author herself praised the movie. Your not going to convince me it's bad, nor am I gonna convince you.

    I read that Ross is interested in filming even as soon as fall. A 2013 release is very likely if that's the case, just a matter of late spring/summer or fall.

    What do you mean? Plutarch is actually a full blown character, they gave Seneca more in the film than the book although it was still on par with the book in terms of his role and his power.

    I skipped over like half your post cause that would've just been me repeating myself. Not much point.

    I almost responded since various characters are picked up in the second book/movie like Gale.... But after reading that bolded statement i burst out laughing. Thanks, that was good
    Two sides of every coin, I'm not the only one who would like longer movies. (Some of us don't have ADD you know)

    CGI may have been limited, but it probably wasn't cheap all things considered.

    I'm discussing the Hunger Games, not the social/political statements in Harry Potter, and the Millennium series.

    Violence is one thing, but it doesn't really make the Capitol seem evil tyrannical (even though that was somewhat subdued in the 1st book). More gore couldn't hurt (and its not like the US is shy about this). I think the biggest issue was kid on kid violence.

    Considering what Snow said in the films, they could play up the fear part a bit. They don't even show the peacekeepers using guns in Rue's district against the insurrection. Just riot gear which downplays the nature of the capitol.

    I don't think you could say Katniss and Peeta enjoyed the arena. Perhaps some of the other more bloodthirsty tributes, but not them. They wanted it over with/out asap.

    Honestly I think the reason why the film falls short is mostly due to lionsgate. Looking at their history they don't really have the resources/know how do deal with a series of films on this scale. I think that if the film was done by a larger, more experienced studio (like harry potter and the Millennium series ) the outcome would have been better (even with a similar budget).

    A shame really, since this series a lot better than the twilight rubbish.

    There wasn't any point into spending time on/fleshing out Seneca, because unlike Plutarch he isn't nearly as important and is only in the first book instead of the entire series. In the book Seneca is a simple plot device for certain parts, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Two sides of every coin, I'm not the only one who would like longer movies. (Some of us don't have ADD you know)
    Hehe, I know what you mean. I dare you to get through Somewhere, lol.

    CGI may have been limited, but it probably wasn't cheap all things considered.
    Well more so, the movie's budget was relatively small so in that sense it ate up a bit. It might have been say, 30 million, which is nearly half the budget but that's not really much considering most blockbusters.

    (and its not like the US is shy about this).
    When it comes to hitting the biggest audience they will be shy, they push for a certain rating. People all over the internet, not just for this movie, but even Prometheus will say... it should've been rated R. People don't get that making a movie is a business and to acquire business studios want the largest audience they can get which means PG-13. Ridley wanted a big budget for Prometheus and an R rating... studio told him one or the other. You get a big budget or your rating. R-ratings limit the audience so the adolescence can't easily get in. And especially for this movie, adolescence is the key crowd/fan base.

    And come to think of it, the fact that people need more violence to feel something. We've become desensitized.

    Honestly I think the reason why the film falls short is mostly due to lionsgate. Looking at their history they don't really have the resources/know how do deal with a series of films on this scale. I think that if the film was done by a larger, more experienced studio (like harry potter and the Millennium series ) the outcome would have been better (even with a similar budget).
    I think it was bringing the author on board who hasn't written for the screen before. She can write pacing for a book but she clearly isn't as skilled in adapting pacing in a movie if she has to cut certain things.

    EDIT: Seems she's written for TV prior, interesting... Still I hope Simon helps bring the sequel up a few notches. He says he's afraid to do a bad job so he's keeping tight to the books. It's always a conflict (which he mentioned) of adapting from material in from the book but also separating the two. Sometimes it's better when it's not so word for word exactly, too close in parts can seem forced.

    A shame really, since this series a lot better than the twilight rubbish.
    Still is.

    There wasn't any point into spending time on/fleshing out Seneca, because unlike Plutarch he isn't nearly as important and is only in the first book instead of the entire series. In the book Seneca is a simple plot device for certain parts, nothing more.
    They used Seneca to help explain things without Katniss' internal explanations. It is a plot device, but they need something if they're going to remove her POV.
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    Holy shit, this movie made 155 million over the weekend! Goddamn!

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    Third biggest all-time. The Dark Knight and Harry Potter are next to be conquered... although with TDKR in July, Batman will likely set a new record for itself.

    Still, makes you wonder what Catching Fire will make next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDragon7 View Post
    Third biggest all-time. The Dark Knight and Harry Potter are next to be conquered... although with TDKR in July, Batman will likely set a new record for itself.

    Still, makes you wonder what Catching Fire will make next year.
    I finished Catching Fire earlier this morning. I didn't even burn my hands . I'm looking forward to TDKR in July. I wonder how they are going to do Catching Fire from a technical point.

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    these movies are worse than the HP movies, right?

    I gotta say, i feel really bad about John Carter. It looks much better than this (and probably a lot less cheesy) but the box office results are just a total switch. Is the Barsoom series just too old the kind of mass appeal that the newer Hunger Games series generates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDragon7 View Post
    Third biggest all-time. The Dark Knight and Harry Potter are next to be conquered... although with TDKR in July, Batman will likely set a new record for itself.

    Still, makes you wonder what Catching Fire will make next year.
    Wait, I thought Avatar would be at the top..unless we're talking weekend box office numbers?

    Anyway, yeah, I can't for the second one..gonna get started reading the first one....but I won't start the 2nd book..I'll see the movie first since that's how I introduced myself to it and then I'll read each book along the way..I just hope the author doesn't pull a Twilight and start writing more books just for the hell of it because it's such a successful film series...but then again, Harry Potter was written after the first few movies in books and it still worked out


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    Quote Originally Posted by ex nihilo7 View Post
    I finished Catching Fire earlier this morning. I didn't even burn my hands . I'm looking forward to TDKR in July. I wonder how they are going to do Catching Fire from a technical point.
    From a technical standpoint, really not much difference. Just bigger scope mainly. Not sure what you mean...

    Quote Originally Posted by DINAMO788 View Post
    these movies are worse than the HP movies, right?
    Kind of a loaded question IMO. One way to look at it, earlier HP weren't as good either. It took till the final few to really nail how they should've been. The Hunger Games isn't a bad movie IMO, it's good but not great. I'm finally caving on the idea that they need to be longer. Not necessarily for backstory, but more so for pacing. It's good that the movie isn't slow and lag but it could give the characters more time with the audience. A little bit of what Matrix 2 pointed out in our debate.

    I gotta say, i feel really bad about John Carter. It looks much better than this (and probably a lot less cheesy) but the box office results are just a total switch. Is the Barsoom series just too old the kind of mass appeal that the newer Hunger Games series generates?
    I feel bad for John Carter too, Lynn Collins alone deserved better. The box office numbers for it is primarily cause of Disney. Their marketing for it was terrible. I wasn't even caring to see the movie till I did some research on the books and one of my friends told me some stuff about it too.

    A big thing for movies is getting the female audience tied in. For the Hunger Games, that audience swells. The reason Twilight did so well, the reason Avatar did amazingly, and Titanic back in the day. The great thing about THG is that not only does the female audience go in for Katniss and then the relationship aspects but male audience gets into it too with the overall story and the action. That stuff is only going to grow in the sequel too and then past that, it's going to explode metaphorically and literally. HP also had its wide fan base like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by DreDayDetox View Post
    Wait, I thought Avatar would be at the top..unless we're talking weekend box office numbers?
    Opening weekend numbers, yeah.

    Anyway, yeah, I can't for the second one..gonna get started reading the first one....but I won't start the 2nd book..I'll see the movie first since that's how I introduced myself to it and then I'll read each book along the way..I just hope the author doesn't pull a Twilight and start writing more books just for the hell of it because it's such a successful film series...but then again, Harry Potter was written after the first few movies in books and it still worked out
    Your going to get more invested after reading the book from getting more in-depth with the characters and backstories. Then your going to watch the movie and be like "hmmm... good but more would be better." Or at least that was me

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDragon7 View Post

    Your going to get more invested after reading the book from getting more in-depth with the characters and backstories. Then your going to watch the movie and be like "hmmm... good but more would be better." Or at least that was me
    Hehe, I have a feeling it'll be like that..certainly is when it comes to videogame movies


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDragon7 View Post
    Hehe, I know what you mean. I dare you to get through Somewhere, lol.

    Well more so, the movie's budget was relatively small so in that sense it ate up a bit. It might have been say, 30 million, which is nearly half the budget but that's not really much considering most blockbusters.

    When it comes to hitting the biggest audience they will be shy, they push for a certain rating. People all over the internet, not just for this movie, but even Prometheus will say... it should've been rated R. People don't get that making a movie is a business and to acquire business studios want the largest audience they can get which means PG-13. Ridley wanted a big budget for Prometheus and an R rating... studio told him one or the other. You get a big budget or your rating. R-ratings limit the audience so the adolescence can't easily get in. And especially for this movie, adolescence is the key crowd/fan base.

    And come to think of it, the fact that people need more violence to feel something. We've become desensitized.

    I think it was bringing the author on board who hasn't written for the screen before. She can write pacing for a book but she clearly isn't as skilled in adapting pacing in a movie if she has to cut certain things.

    EDIT: Seems she's written for TV prior, interesting... Still I hope Simon helps bring the sequel up a few notches. He says he's afraid to do a bad job so he's keeping tight to the books. It's always a conflict (which he mentioned) of adapting from material in from the book but also separating the two. Sometimes it's better when it's not so word for word exactly, too close in parts can seem forced.

    Still is.

    They used Seneca to help explain things without Katniss' internal explanations. It is a plot device, but they need something if they're going to remove her POV.
    Sounds like he could use the help of the HP crew who worked on the screenplay adaptation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDragon7 View Post
    From a technical standpoint, really not much difference. Just bigger scope mainly. Not sure what you mean...
    I mean...


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    I really enjoyed it. Some good action, the style is one of my favorites, and Jennifer Lawrence didn't hurt.
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    Hunger Games - 7-8/10

    I didn't read the book. I thought it was a great movie but felt it wasn't all that from what people say. I felt that the love stuff between katniss and Peta didn't belong in the movie, it just didn't feel right in the way it was. To me, there wasn't that much feeling to show the atmosphere of "only one will survive" except when they picked the tribute and before she went into the tube. I think the feeling could have been more deeper but all in all, I liked the movie.

    I skimmed over some comments that were talking about a movies' length and for me I like for a movie to be over 2 hours. Putting a movie at 1hr 30mins just kills it for me. I just won't go to watch it.
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    Meh. Good acting from Michael Sheen, unnecessary but hilarious sex scene lol. Good watch if you have nothing else to look at.

    Overall mediocre trilogy, the best one is the first..don't understand why we needed a prequel since it's pretty much explained in the first two movies how the Lycans rise, but whatevs..I mean the only reason we went to see this is because of Kate Beckinsale in a tight, latex outfit. Apparently there's a nice ass shot of her crawling through a vent shaft in the latest Underworld film, that's reason enough for me to get the Lubriderm bottle.





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