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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Turnip View Post
    lol, and your point being erm... what? Yes it is free, so there's no point bringing up the (rather dumb) point that if it wasn't, it would be less successful, because that is stating the obvious to the extreme.

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    You call bringing up the fact it's free a dumb point, but yet support a topic that states the PSN is a success? LOL! You're kidding right? The fact it's a success is BECAUSE IT'S FREE! You think most people would have paid say 50 a year for that level of service? I would like to see how successful it would have been then. With the service free OF COURSE people are gonna use it! It's there might as well. What part of that do you not understand?

    This entire topic was dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikleran View Post
    You do realise at this point last year Microsoft had 50% of users on Xbox Live?
    Yes, I do realize that. Because they were tallying the numbers based on then-current Xbox Live users with the 360 install base. XBL have about 2 million subscribers, and when your 360 has 4 million install base, obviously that's 50%.

    Another possibility is that XBL is counting all the users that ever were XBL subscribers including the ones that have then left XBL gold. So yeah... null argument.

    It's a good achievement but it's not a 'Huge Sucess' when it's a free feature that anyone with Broadband and common sense should be using. I'm surprised it's only 25% TBH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by branden1979 View Post
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    Branden? Is there only one button on your keyboard?..lol.
    Thats 2 posts now with the same ...................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_womble View Post
    Well i just can't understand why quite a few topics are turning into flamewars. O well

    Back on topic : I just cant wait to get online with my PS3. I should be online by June at the very,very,very latest.

    ---To Mikleran about his anyone with broadband ans common sense quote---

    Its no convieneint for alot of people to have an ethernet cable going through there house, and also remember not everybody has a wireless router.
    You're right, it's normally down to one member not being able to admit the the PS3 is a threat to their Xbox 360, 3 guesses who that person is in this thread, eh? lol.

    It's not convenient for alot of people, nope, but then if they want online that bad there is tonnes of extension leads you can get, and i think wireless routers are quite cheap now. The PS3 is made for easy use, and a large part of it is needing the internet, so they've made it as easy as possible to get online with it, mainly for the firmware and download content that they're gonna be making money off too.

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    So it's alright for Sony to count Free subscribers an it be a success. So that would make the argument against Xbox Live users, Gold vs Silver members pointless right.
    "We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that (developers) want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleman View Post
    I'd be more interested to see how many people have downloaded the paid content.

    I agree lets see if it is huge success by how much of it has been bought vs how much it is costing to run. THEN and only THEN should it be considered a huge success. (i would never pay for anything they currently have avaliable personally though I might buy FLOW) Anything else is just premature.





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    Roffl @ 360s worldwide release and Live getting pwned in January. Spin it however you want, noone is going to care by the time SOCOM PS3 comes out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda Bear Shenyu View Post
    Yes, I do realize that. Because they were tallying the numbers based on then-current Xbox Live users with the 360 install base. XBL have about 2 million subscribers, and when your 360 has 4 million install base, obviously that's 50%.
    The quote was 50% of 360s were on Live by this time last year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham
    I might have known it wouldn't have been good enough for you! First you bring PGR3 into a SONY F1 game thread, and now Microsoft and Xbox live into this....
    Oh, Sorry. Is it against forum rules to post on-topic comparisons now?

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    You're right, it's normally down to one member not being able to admit the the PS3 is a threat to their Xbox 360, 3 guesses who that person is in this thread, eh? lol.
    You know, not everyone on here is a PS3 fanboy who can't accept fair comparisons between two consoles? I couldn't care less if the PS3 had more users than Xbox Live. In reality, it doesn't. And there shouldn't be a reason why not.. especially when it's got free online play.

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    Pfft this guy and his love for socom3 j/k lol, when actual content that has things similar to Live marketplace like those of TV shows, movies, or other mainstream media that could be up on PSN, I'm sure the success of downloadble content would be "appealling" to those that have ignored it thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikleran View Post
    The quote was 50% of 360s were on Live by this time last year.



    Oh, Sorry. Is it against forum rules to post on-topic comparisons now?



    You know, not everyone on here is a PS3 fanboy who can't accept fair comparisons between two consoles? I couldn't care less if the PS3 had more users than Xbox Live. In reality, it doesn't. And there shouldn't be a reason why not.. especially when it's got free online play.
    I'll tell you one of the many reasons... There are around 1.4mil-1.5mil ps3s sold so far, give or take... Even if all of them are subscribed to PSN wouldnt have the users necessary to have more than xboxlive... Now if we include the ps2onile users plus the PSN ones then you're right Sony has a lot more users online because it is free .

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    Just for note...

    Microsoft stated that 50% of Xbox360s were on Live at this point after launch. They can track this easily as each Xbox360 has a unique ID that is provided to Microsoft during connection to Live. This has nothing to do with the number of gamertags on Live.

    MS also tracks paid users of Xboxlive completely septerate from non-paying users. They also announce these statistics seperately. This enables them to easily report to game developers/publishers how many users they can expect to have available for playing games online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikleran View Post
    Oh, Sorry. Is it against forum rules to post on-topic comparisons now?
    No, not at all, but when it's always done to bring the PS3 down a peg or two, it wears a little thin... If there was an F1 game on the Xbox 360, and in that discussion I posted images and references to GTHD and Motorstorm, there would be uproar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikleran View Post
    You know, not everyone on here is a PS3 fanboy who can't accept fair comparisons between two consoles? I couldn't care less if the PS3 had more users than Xbox Live. In reality, it doesn't. And there shouldn't be a reason why not.. especially when it's got free online play.
    Come on, be fair. This is the first real "on-line" venture with a major console from SONY. The PS2s effort was practically non-existent, so people are naturally going to be a bit wary and less familiar. Microsoft had a ready made army of people from their previous console. I'd be interested to know how many of that 50% of Live users were fully paid-up members taking games on-line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X2 View Post
    You guys do it all the time.
    From 24 to 4 in with one post..

    PSN is meant to be free, so when a free online service is a success, you don't base it on how much stuff they sold in the online shop
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    Quote Originally Posted by siren View Post
    Just for note...

    Microsoft stated that 50% of Xbox360s were on Live at this point after launch. They can track this easily as each Xbox360 has a unique ID that is provided to Microsoft during connection to Live. This has nothing to do with the number of gamertags on Live.
    Thank You Siren +Rep for you.

    When will you fanboys ever learn? This forum is getting worse and worse with people now even unwilling to accept valid comparrisons between two games or the % of people connected to the internet.

    This thread is a great example of how you fanboys are just a disgrace to the gaming community.

    Its no convieneint for alot of people to have an ethernet cable going through there house, and also remember not everybody has a wireless router.
    What? There's someone who's just bought a $600 and can't afford a simple $20 USB adapter for their PC to get online? (Yes i looked that up on the internet.. before you guys start 'oh you can't do that, it's never that cheap... Here.)

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    good news for sony, i'm kinda curious what the other 1/2 of the people are doing without an account. I mean no online at all, not even registered. I realize not everyone has broadband but 1/2 the people? When its a free service I would expect a little more than half.

    However you can't base the service on the number of users. I mean just because a user didn't sign up doesn't mean its good or bad because they haven't even tried it. Same goes for Live, except a number of people can't afford 50 a year so they don't bother.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakibikajasy View Post
    Great news, the more people to play with, the better. Any idea how much longer the GT:HD Concept demo will be avaiable for free download?
    Hopefully after i get my ps3 but yeah good news

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    Quote Originally Posted by siren View Post
    Just for note...

    Microsoft stated that 50% of Xbox360s were on Live at this point after launch. They can track this easily as each Xbox360 has a unique ID that is provided to Microsoft during connection to Live. This has nothing to do with the number of gamertags on Live.

    MS also tracks paid users of Xboxlive completely septerate from non-paying users. They also announce these statistics seperately. This enables them to easily report to game developers/publishers how many users they can expect to have available for playing games online.
    Oh, by this time last year they only had less than 1mil x360 sold, 50% of that is around 500k(maybe less) users... I can believe that... Thats exactly what sony just anounced!. well actually on the article they're kinda stating that there were 300k GTHD when there were 500k PSN users... i guess that by now there are more than 500k PSN users... Oh well I'm not gonna scroll all the way up just to read what the articles says but i'm pretty sure it is something along the lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    Let's see what the numbers look like when Unreal 2k7 hits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubersnuber View Post
    From 24 to 4 in with one post..

    PSN is meant to be free, so when a free online service is a success, you don't base it on how much stuff they sold in the online shop
    Exactly, just like Firefox is not a failure by having less users than IE, it is simply doing great for being free. And in my opinion a better product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikleran View Post
    The quote was 50% of 360s were on Live by this time last year.

    Oh, Sorry. Is it against forum rules to post on-topic comparisons now?

    You know, not everyone on here is a PS3 fanboy who can't accept fair comparisons between two consoles? I couldn't care less if the PS3 had more users than Xbox Live. In reality, it doesn't. And there shouldn't be a reason why not.. especially when it's got free online play.
    First, the PSN has been available for what maybe two months, this time last year Live has been around for a few years, and when you take into consideration the M$ only says how many users Live has that's a total number which includes the Silver Accounts which are Free.

    So using your Logic that being the PSN is Free it should have more subscriber then I think Live should too.

    The bottom line is the PSN is a great service and it's Free and will only get better from here, if you prefer to pay for Live then go ahead, we don't mind, we like the PSN has to offer for the price and we are happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    No, not at all, but when it's always done to bring the PS3 down a peg or two, it wears a little thin... If there was an F1 game on the Xbox 360, and in that discussion I posted images and references to GTHD and Motorstorm, there would be uproar.
    FFS I am comparing two games. I couldn't give a sh!t about which console they are on; some of the building textures in F1 look abysmal at best...

    You seem to think that any comparrison between two games across platforms is aimed at having a dig at a console? Get real..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikleran View Post
    When will you fanboys ever learn? This forum is getting worse and worse with people now even unwilling to accept valid comparrisons between two games or the % of people connected to the internet.

    This thread is a great example of how you fanboys are just a disgrace to the gaming community.
    Hold off with the fanboy talk... You're the one telling people to go away if people disagree with you. As for your comparisons, no, I don't believe a racing game with 22 cars on track at once can have its scenery compared fairly to that of a game with a quarter of that number, but hey, that's just me. With regards to the % comparison of users on-line, of course it's fair, but at least listen to peoples reasoning and explanation as to why it might be lower for the PS3 instead of dismissung it as people arguing with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Hold off with the fanboy talk... You're the one telling people to go away if people disagree with you.
    You what?

    As for your comparisons, no, I don't believe a racing game with 22 cars on track at once can have its scenery compared fairly to that of a game with a quarter of that number, but hey, that's just me.
    Go to the F1 thread.

    With regards to the % comparison of users on-line, of course it's fair, but at least listen to peoples reasoning and explanation as to why it might be lower for the PS3 instead of dismissung it as people arguing with you.
    People are arguing with me over a fact. That's all i disagreed with..

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