NFL Thread

[ps3freak18]

Jonathan Vilma got punished severly for the bounty program and will appeal it. He's going to be gone for a year.

Do you guys agree with the players, that Goodell is being too harsh?

Utter bullshit is what it is. Let's not forgot this guy was being coached. Do you think he was going to go against his coaches word? Nope! His participation doesn't warrant a full season. Not to mention does Goddell really have the power to make this call? This is an on and off the field issue that he also has no hard evidence against him! This is going to turn into a battle with the PA and NFL. I can't wait until this bitch of a commissioner is out of there. Problem is the owners love him.

I say 4-6 games for Vilma
3-5 for Hargrove
and 2 for Smith and Fujita.

[The Black Wolf]

Not only do the owners love him, they gave him a contract extension.

He's going to be there for a long time.

[admartian]

I agree with the reasoning of the NFL - a bounty program cannot exist without willing participants (the players). Therefore, the punishment completely, and utterly, is fair.

Can it be shortened? I believe so. But I wouldn't budge on anything than less than 14 games. I'd at least allow him to play twice.

I'm probably one of the first in line for toughness in the league - being a Ravens fan, our teams in the past have been on the wrong end of calls based on "tough" hits on whiny QBs (Peyton, Tom, Matt Ryan).

But this bounty system is borderline thuggery.

[R_Mac_1]

I just read that Suggs tore his Achilles playing basketball. Big blow for the Ravens...my sympathies to you Ravens fans.

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[ps3freak18]

I agree with the reasoning of the NFL - a bounty program cannot exist without willing participants (the players). Therefore, the punishment completely, and utterly, is fair.

Can it be shortened? I believe so. But I wouldn't budge on anything than less than 14 games. I'd at least allow him to play twice.

I'm probably one of the first in line for toughness in the league - being a Ravens fan, our teams in the past have been on the wrong end of calls based on "tough" hits on whiny QBs (Peyton, Tom, Matt Ryan).

But this bounty system is borderline thuggery.

Thing about it is I don't disagree with the fact that they should be suspended. They rightfully should be but there is no reason a player should get the same suspension that the head coach gets. That is just ridiculous. I say 8 games at most for Vilma. This is simply a case of Goddell flexing his muscle say "Look what I can do." This has been the theme of his entire time as the commish.

Bounty program aside, you think if a team knows a guy has a bum knee they aren't going to be gunning for that? These guys are pretty much taught to hit a guy as hard as they can from day one. I would also like to know the amount of unsportsmanlike conduct that these guys have had over the past couple years. I very seriously doubt that they are much above average. I'm just saying without any kind of documentation or hard evidence linking their involvement why is Vilma being singled out. There was reports that said he threw money in a pool but is this fact?

I'm with you. These guys need to reprimanded for their participation but a whole season is ridiculous.

[admartian]

Thing about it is I don't disagree with the fact that they should be suspended. They rightfully should be but there is no reason a player should get the same suspension that the head coach gets. That is just ridiculous. I say 8 games at most for Vilma. This is simply a case of Goddell flexing his muscle say "Look what I can do." This has been the theme of his entire time as the commish.

Bounty program aside, you think if a team knows a guy has a bum knee they aren't going to be gunning for that? These guys are pretty much taught to hit a guy as hard as they can from day one. I would also like to know the amount of unsportsmanlike conduct that these guys have had over the past couple years. I very seriously doubt that they are much above average. I'm just saying without any kind of documentation or hard evidence linking their involvement why is Vilma being singled out. There was reports that said he threw money in a pool but is this fact?

I'm with you. These guys need to reprimanded for their participation but a whole season is ridiculous.

Yeah maybe a whole season is harsh for a player. Though i don't know the extent of Vilma's involvement apart from being pretty much the 2IC for Gregg Williams.

Yeah I think that's pretty much any sport. But I think if you're that injured player you are aware of the risks anyway - so it's on you. Defenders or other players shouldn't have to make an excuse or skirt around your injury.

But that is far removed from bounty programs, where the aim is to injure.

I can see where the typical meathead NFL fan can confuse that though.

Speaking of meathead fans, Dave Dameshek ( I still don't get why they let fanboys like this guy write on NFL and other sports networks) is already trolling Raven nation in light of the Suggs news.

I effing hate that guys face.

It's a significant blow; but these 'analysts' sometimes really can't wait but to favour an NFL "darling team" (see Pats, Packers, Giants, Steelers, Cowboys).

I'd love nothing more than a team like the Ravens, Seahawks or Cardinals (not so well favoured in the league) to win and to win by dynasties.

[The Black Wolf]

I actually agree with the suspensions, though I don't always agree with Roger Gooddell.

We're talking about players intentionally going out to hurt other players, going for an ACL tear and etc. ACL tears are not normal injuries, they're not only very painful but career threatening. Yes, those players and any players who participate in a bounty program should be suspended. Heck, Vilma AND the other players are lucky they didn't make a case to ban them from the NFL for life.

[ps3freak18]

Yeah maybe a whole season is harsh for a player. Though i don't know the extent of Vilma's involvement apart from being pretty much the 2IC for Gregg Williams.

Yeah I think that's pretty much any sport. But I think if you're that injured player you are aware of the risks anyway - so it's on you. Defenders or other players shouldn't have to make an excuse or skirt around your injury.

But that is far removed from bounty programs, where the aim is to injure.

I can see where the typical meathead NFL fan can confuse that though.

Speaking of meathead fans, Dave Dameshek ( I still don't get why they let fanboys like this guy write on NFL and other sports networks) is already trolling Raven nation in light of the Suggs news.

I effing hate that guys face.

It's a significant blow; but these 'analysts' sometimes really can't wait but to favour an NFL "darling team" (see Pats, Packers, Giants, Steelers, Cowboys).

I'd love nothing more than a team like the Ravens, Seahawks or Cardinals (not so well favoured in the league) to win and to win by dynasties.

Couldn't agree with you more there. On the point of aiming to injury. No not every player is out to hurt another player in any possible way. But there are many players that will take aim at an injured appendage to slow them up or tweak the injury. Not saying end their career which bounty programs are essentially trying to do. Especially in a pile up. It's a dirty sport and not all play with the utmost integrity sadly. Just like guys who constantly launch. Which I'm glad the nfl has started to crack down on hard.

[FdMstng99]

Damn you Suggs!!

[The Black Wolf]

They're saying Seau's suicide may have been caused by concussions.

You know what's mind boggling to me? The NFL will not upgrade helmets and equipment. If they would do that, then there would be no more concussions and no more suing the league.

[admartian]

They're saying Seau's suicide may have been caused by concussions.

You know what's mind boggling to me? The NFL will not upgrade helmets and equipment. If they would do that, then there would be no more concussions and no more suing the league.

As a massive rugby fan and american football fan alike, I think the main cause for these things is the culture and nature of the hits in the NFL.

Pads or no pads, you look at how they hit (i.e. shoulder charges, launching, etc) lends to more concussions. If you watch a rugby game and compare proper tackling technique, you will see the difference.

Yes, people still get CRUNCHED in rugby. It is still a violent sport. But I think there are two main diffrences.


1. Technique: Not so much the lack of, but the willingness or rather the fact that there is a lack of enforcement of this. I'm not sure what percentage of defensive players in the NFL know how to tackle properly 1 on 1 (proper head position, use of arms and leverage corretly). Which is weird because I take it a lot have wrestling backgrounds.

But a lot seem to have the mentality of "laying someone out" rather than securing the ball carrier to the ground.


This can still be achieved in a'hard' way, but technique will go a long way in reducing this.

2: Equipment: In my opinion, the presence of equipment like pads and helmets, are more of a danger than protection.

Look at this way; if you ahve the inherent lack of care for technique and the reliance on violent hits rather than securing the player, these equipment turn into a weapon more than protection.

The fact that some 250+ pound dude who can just barrel into you with reckless abandon - with no care of using force + technique (just force - not to mention the added force and weight of his pads and the material of his helmet) is not going to bode well,in the long run, for either of you.

Let me put it this way - in the 100+ years of rugby, as much as there have been concussions, most (I would not be surprised if this was around 99%) rugby players from 40-60+ years ago are still highly functioning individuals without any serious trauma.

Again, the games are as violent as each other more or less. But the lack of 'battering-ram' equipment and use of technique is what sets them apart - and what ultimately makes rugby 'safer'.


Just my .02 cents.

[The Black Wolf]

The Saints STILL have not signed Drew Brees. It looks like they'll be looking at a QB in the 2013 draft.

No wonder players like the Jets Revis and Giants Osi ask for contracts whenever they feel like it. If you play your heart out like Brees did, some teams will leave you out to dry.

[The Black Wolf]

The 2011 New York Giants revealed their Super Bowl rings and they are nice.

[ps3freak18]

Damn! That is sweet.

[The Black Wolf]

You know what? If the giants win another ring, the franchise would have 5 Lombardi trophies and would be tied with the Cowboys and 49ers for the second most. The Steelers have the most with six.

[RaY_210]

You know what? If the giants win another ring, the franchise would have 5 Lombardi trophies and would be tied with the Cowboys and 49ers for the second most. The Steelers have the most with six.

The Packers are right there too.

[The Black Wolf]

The Packers are right there too.

Sure are, I had completely forgotten about the Packers.

[akhi216]

My Browns look like they can win at least 8 games this season.

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[The Black Wolf]

My Browns look like they can win at least 8 games this season.

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I agree, I am also interested in who wins the QB battle.

[admartian]

Weeden takes it. McCoy is too jittery in the pocket. Unless Weeden completely wees his pants.

[ps3freak18]

My Browns look like they can win at least 8 games this season.

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I would believe they are as well. They are nearing in on a solid team if Weeden starts imo. I think he has what it takes to be a solid QB like Dalton was his first year.

[The Black Wolf]

Well, the NFLPA and the NFL are at it again. This time it's about the salary cap of 2010, and the Cowboys and Redskins.

[The Black Wolf]

Oh my, I can't believe it! The Miami Dolphins are going to be on Hard Knocks!

[FdMstng99]

Oh my, I can't believe it! The Miami Dolphins are going to be on Hard Knocks!

That's going to be hard to watch.

[The Boy From School]

^ You mad? ^