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    I hope you are right with your assumption, as it means one thing, CM Punk will be back. That is all that matters out of this, his return!

    8 years and counting!

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    If right, then what a work

    But being the pure wrestler and clean wrestler, choking the chicken of the boss. Makes him a dirty wrestler like

    Cough! Cena

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibby View Post
    Personally, I think he went to Vince and said "Listen, I know my contract is up in 6 months, but I've been feeling like $#@! for a while and my matches are suffering because of it. I'm not even a part of any big plans right now, so let me take a few months off, then I'll come back and sign a new deal." And Vince being Vince decided to turn it into a work, possibly one that only the two of them know about with no concrete endgame as of yet.

    Probably just the optimist in me, but I can hope.
    The pessimist in me says it is......would be the best thing ever if it was a work

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    I don't doubt the guy needed time off but the WWE are playing it off as him simply never existing. They are wiping his face off of everything they have, video packages, etc. I truly doubt this is a work, but at the same time where the hell did this guy go?? He simply vanished off the Earth.

    8 years and counting!

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    Silence is bless and keeping us wating is even more so. He knows what he is doing and he is loving the atmosphere and reaction it has caused

    So when he does speak, everyone will have their eyes and ears on him only

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    He is still under contract so Vince could order him to blackout everything.

    Del Rio said he is leaving when contract is up. Never cared much for him.
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    True on the contract thing

    del rio is nothing and him leaving will not make a dent in the product

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    I fast forward through most, if not everything, Del Rio is in.. so I don't mind that one at all.

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    Del Rio leaving would actually improve the product.

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    They are wiping his face off of everything they have, video packages, etc.
    Not really. They still sell his merchandise during events and on the website. This is the main thing leading me to believe it's a work.


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    Merchandise yes, I meant mainly the video packages and such. I asked Batista today on FB if he will actually wrestle a match this Monday instead of coming to the ring, saying 5 words, stirring $#@! then leaving. His reply was humble today stating that he hopes to be in a match finally. As much as I hate him as a wrestler the guy is very genuine taking the time on most days to answer almost all of his fan comments. That takes passion right there, credit to him for sure.

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    At least you've stopped giving him a lot of $#@!

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    Unless he gives me reason too.

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    Here is an interesting read of the WWE.COM site, it's about the ROH

    The Ring of Honor influence: How one small wrestling company impacted WWE



    In fall 2005, 600 fans packed into a small rec center in Suffolk County just three miles north of the Long Island Expressway to watch a wrestling show presented by a company called Ring of Honor. In one of the night’s main events, a fearless 5-foot-8 grappler defeated a hard-nosed southerner for the ROH World Championship after more than 30 minutes of grueling action. Those two men? Daniel Bryan and Jamie Noble. Today, they are two of the most integral individuals in WWE. Bryan is one of the company’s biggest stars and Noble has become a key producer and locker room mentor.

    For a company that most recognize from the climactic scene in the Oscar-nominated “The Wrestler,” Ring of Honor has developed a hardcore fanbase by cultivating a unique mat style and an impressive rolodex of in-ring talent. Bryan and Noble aren’t the only two competitors to come from the scrappy Pennsylvania-based organization. Since ROH’s inception in 2002, several of its stars have found their way to the WWE roster. Most have won major championship gold, and others are waiting in the wings down in Florida at NXT. Even one of NXT’s top trainers, Sara Amato, was a major star in Ring of Honor.

    Over the past 10 years, as more and more Ring of Honor alumni have found their way to the broad spotlight of Raw and SmackDown, there has been a noticeable shift in the wrestling style and type of stars that have risen to the top of WWE. But how did one company that never even aired on basic cable change sports-entertainment? We spoke with many of the men responsible to find out.
    See rare photos of WWE Superstars competing in Ring of Honor
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    • DANIEL BRYAN – The two-time WWE Champion became known as one of the greatest wrestlers in the world during his time in Ring of Honor and was one of ROH’s longest-reigning World Champions.
    • ANTONIO CESARO – Before becoming a Real American, Cesaro was the “Very European” member of the two-time Ring of Honor Tag Team Champions The Kings of Wrestling, one of ROH’s hottest tandems.
    • SETH ROLLINS – The Shield wasn’t Rollins’ first stable. He joined Ring of Honor in 2007 as a member of The Age of Fall, won the Tag Team Championships twice and held the World Title for seven months just before arriving in WWE.
    • COLT CABANA – The podcast host and ring funnyman had two stints as one of Ring of Honor’s biggest stars, before and after a cup of coffee in WWE.
    • GABE SAPOLSKY – Paul Heyman’s protégé co-founded Ring of Honor soon after the closing of ECW and remained one of its lead producers through much of the following decade.

    WWE.COM: How did Ring of Honor start?

    GABE SAPOLSKY: I was with a video company at the time that was part of ECW. When ECW went out of business, it left a void for that video company. Basically, we decided we could fill that void ourselves by starting our own promotion. I was very fortunate to have been a protégé of Paul Heyman’s in ECW, so I learned a lot from him. Paul was extremely unselfish at being a mentor and he still is to this day. His lessons were about presenting wrestlers, showcasing their strengths, hiding their weakness, telling a story and the best way to involve the fans in your product and earn their loyalty to your brand. And I was able to take that knowledge and use that to start Ring of Honor.

    SETH ROLLINS: When Ring of Honor first started, I was a teenager. The Internet had just kind of blown up as far as online videos and stuff like that. They were my first exposure to indie wrestling and I fell in love with the athleticism. There were guys like Daniel Bryan, Low Ki, AJ Styles, The Amazing Red, these were guys who were doing stuff I had never seen anywhere in professional wrestling. It was blowing my mind.

    WWE.COM: Were you trying to recreate ECW with Ring of Honor, or was it going to be its own thing?

    SAPOLSKY: It was completely its own thing, but it did take the spot of ECW in the mid-2000s insofar as it became the darling of the Internet and the darling of the diehard fans. It took the spot of being the next “in” thing and the underground promotion where wrestlers could really perform their art. The goal was to showcase the best talent in the world and let them grow as performers.

    ROLLINS: There were so many similarities. With Gabe running the ship, it was the same sort of vibe, clamoring for something new. But the cool thing about it was Gabe went in the complete opposite direction. ECW was blood and guts and craziness, but Ring of Honor was pure wrestling, respect, athleticism and a code of honor — and the fans were just as passionate about it. A spiritual successor to ECW is a perfect way to put it, because it had that same underground, guttural vibe to it that ECW did when it first started.

    COLT CABANA: This was the next thing that alternative wrestling fans could sink their teeth into. I don’t think the style was the same, but the idea that wrestling fans wanted an alternative was the same. This was the best product available to give as an alternative to
    WWE.

    WWE.COM: How did you end up in Ring of Honor?

    ROLLINS: I sought out their training facility and moved out to Pennsylvania, but I had no idea how much money I needed to live out there on my own [laughs]. I was like, “Oh jeez, I’m 18 and I don’t know what I’m doing.” So I had to go home. I just couldn’t do it. I did the tryout class and I passed. It was a grueling two-hour workout that I was put us through – hundreds of squats, sprints and mile-runs. They were trying to get us to puke and quit. It was pretty brutal. I remember it was the week of Sept. 11, 2004, and it was so hot. I thought I was going to die, but I got through it. [The trainer] said we had a lot of potential so that got me all fired up.

    ANTONIO CESARO: I had a show with a friend, and they had one of those do-or-die tryouts in New Jersey. I died, but I did well. I was brought back and competed against Nigel McGuiness in my first real ROH match and against Alex Shelley in my second. Then I was just kind of wrestling in Ring of Honor mostly for the ROH Pure Title against Nigel. When Chris Hero came in during the [Combat Zone Wrestling]-ROH feud, I turned on ROH and joined CZW. It was the first run of The Kings of Wrestling.



    CABANA:
    When Ring of Honor was first starting, I was doing my first east coast show at the ECW Arena in Philadelphia for 3PW, which was Blue Meanie’s wrestling promotion. I gave out this VHS tape called “The Best of Colt Cabana,” and I think the match that Gabe Sapolsky saw that solidified it was a 2-out-of-3 Falls Match I had done in St. Paul, Minn. Gabe saw it had this big match feel and he saw how to translate that to the Ring of Honor product.



    ROLLINS: Ring of Honor was the place I still aspired to work, because I idolized what was going on there. I had done MTV’s Wrestling Society X with Jimmy Jacobs. He told Ring of Honor founder Gabe Sapolsky about me and Gabe brought me to the Ring of Honor sister company in Florida [Full Impact Pro]. I wrestled Jay Briscoe in a singles match and Gabe took me outside and he said, “I love ya and I want to bring you in to Ring of Honor, so I want to offer you a three-year deal.” I was 21-years-old and as soon as he left I did the air-fist pump. I was just psyched out of my mind.

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/the-ring-o...uence-26179913
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    I have no ill-will toward Batista, it's not his fault the WWE is using him so poorly. The big mistake with his return is bringing him out on Raw before the Rumble. If they let him be a surprise entrant and he ended up winning, I'd have been okay with it, and it probably would have sat much better with a lot of fans.

    Now most fans are pissed that he's not in any matches, so when he DOES actually start wrestling, it's going to be in a feud with Dog $#@! Del Rio, so it's a lose-lose situation.
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    I was having a conversation at work today regarding Batista winning the RR. It would have been more widely accepted and appreciated it DB was in the RR with Reigns and Batista. Batista laying on the floor and DB about to be eliminated by Reigns but Batista eliminates Reigns and then has an epic finale with DB.

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    It is what it is, the WWE has screwed us long enough and our voices will be heard

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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    It is what it is, the WWE has screwed us long enough and our voices will be heard

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    Just based on Batista winning the Rumble, I don't think our voices are going to be heard.


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    WWE just released new CM Punk merchandise today, take that however you wish. He is still being placed on all WM30 promotional gear as well.

    8 years and counting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molo316 View Post
    Just based on Batista winning the Rumble, I don't think our voices are going to be heard.
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    Very true


    On the Cm punk items realase, he is still under contract and therefore i guess. They have the right to do so

    Considering the situation at hand, money is money

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    They turning the crowd down on Raw
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    They've been turning on the crowd I want to hear some CM punk chants stat lol

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    I'm more looking forward to the shield and wyatts go at it at EC than any other match

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj03 View Post
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    Another mediocre show that accomplished nothing. No shock value here at all, hell Betty White had more promo time than most of the current roster in the past 2 years. Ziggler continues to be buried, Batista was booked again as being unstoppable, the opening segment was the same $#@! we hear week in and week out. Last night accomplished nothing moving forward from a creative stand point, minus building the feud between the Wyatts and the Shield (which should have been kept until WM30 in my opinion). This would have been HUGE if they started to build it now all the way until WM30.

    No Cm Punk signs? Sold out with over 17K fans and I never noticed one sign? BS. I am sure there were plenty but they were confiscated perhaps? How could there not be a single sign?!?!

    8 years and counting!

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