Nintendo Killing The Gaming Industry?

[Charl3z523]

After watching E3 this year, that's what I believe. I'm still shocked Nintendo would show a gaming peripheral, barely even related to gaming at all, at the biggest gaming conference there is...

So far the gaming press hasn't liked Wiifit. Yet the mainstream press seem to welcome it. This is very good on Nintendo's part. They'll probably make money off of this, but is it good for us who have been gaming for many years already? I love the industry how it is, I don't want it ruined. I believe too much attention from the mainstream media could ruin the gaming industry.

It was very interesting to see the many different types of people who would play the Wii when it first came out, but when I look back at that now, I don't really like it. There could be a point in time when our mom's or grandma's consider themselves gamers when in reality they're not. You may call these people "casual gamers", but I can't even consider them that. I consider a casual gamer one who actually still buys EA sport games, plays Halo once in awhile, and just generally plays games offline.

I don't like what Nintendo is doing with the industry. I personally have a Wii. I got it mainly for SSBB, and obviously I flipped out when they showed 10 seconds of Brawl at E3 yet focused most of the show on this stupid pad... I'm afraid the gaming industry will become this big brainwashed business instead of what it is that makes it unique today. Can anyone relate with me here? Or am I the only one who thinks Nintendo is killing the gaming industry?

[Pantyhelmet]

and the people said : AMEN!!

the worse part is Hardcore Nintendo fans welcome it..Anything to see their favorite at the top.. but is it worth it when Nintendo becomes the "POP GAMING" Company?

[roxormyboxors]

You can't just blame it on Nintendo. The mainstream press praised Nintendo because they showed something different. Sony and Microsoft showed them Generic HD FPS #452. Halo and Killzone might not be generic but all the mainsteam sees is a hand holding a futuristic gun shooting stuff and things exploding.
You still have 2 standard consoles. Is it Nintendo's fault that Microsoft and Sony released these overpriced consoles that are out of reach to the casual gamer? Isn't it partly their fault that Wii is outselling them 6 to 1? All Sony had to do was release a $350 PS3 that was easy to develop for and the generation would be theirs again because of developer support. Instead they decided to compete with Microsoft over who can give the hardcore gamers the biggest boner forgetting that casuals are what make up the majority of the market.
It's not like they didn't see Nintendo coming. Nintendo did the same thing with the DS. According to the hardcore gamers the PSP was supposed to crush the DS because it was underpowered and gimmicky. The DS was very important to Nintendo because they were building their next home console with the same philosophy. Yamauchi said it himself 4 years ago.

The DS represents a critical moment for Nintendo's success. If it succeeds, we rise to the heavens, if it fails, we sink into hell.

And if being able to play a game with my girlfriend and her actually beating me is "destroying gaming" then I'm glad it's getting destroyed. This is the first console I purchase since my SNES and Genesis 15 years ago and I couldn't be happier with it. You just keep supporting your PS3 and XBox 360 so the mainstream keeps thinking this hobby is only for skinny pale guys that live in their mom's basement.

[Super_Lilith]

If anything Sony and microsoft are killing the gaming industry more then Nintendo. While nintendo are focusing on new gameplay and control mechanics, Sony is just raising the graphics and giving us more of the same e.g better graphics, bigger games.

You move forward with the analogue stick and press "x" to kill the baddie. fine, you are now doing the action with more polygons on the screen but it is still the same action. This stale rehash is what is hurting the gaming industry.

Wii gaming has not been what it can be, but I don't think this is entirely fault of Nintendo, the console has been a success and developers want a quick cash in on this so instead of taking the time/ resource to make a quality title which properly takes advantage of the Wii, they churn out a quick party title to benifit while the Wii is hot. In the end, more so then Sony or Nintendo, it is these devs who are the real culprit and are hurting the gaming industry.

[skarekrow]

By god, I think its finally sinking in!
Ive been saying this from the begining and ill say it until the end.
What the hell is wrong with people, theyre buying products they/ve already have/had. Wii Fit: Power Pad (NES) and DDR (PS2 and 360).
Wii Zapper : Duck hunt (NES)
Next well see the Wii Glove (The equivalent of the power glove)
and the W.O.B. (Equivalent of R.O.B.)
All products that have been released decades ago and are currently being foddered off as being new. Consumers certainly are sheep and ill say it again, if they win, gamings screwed and im out entirely.

If anything Sony and microsoft are killing the games industry more then Nintendo. While nintendo are focusing on new gameplay and control mechanics, Sony is just raising the graphics and giving us more of the same e.g better graphics, bigger games.

You move forward with the analogue stick and press "x" to kill the baddie. fine, you are now doing the action with more polygons on the screen but it is still the same action. This stale rehash is what is hurting the gaming industry.

Wii gaming has not been what it can be, but I don't think this is entirely fault of Nintendo, the console has been a success and developers want a quick cash in on this so instead of taking the time/ resource to make a quality title which properly takes advantage of the Wii, they churn out a quick party title to benifit while the Wii is hot. In the end, more so then Sony or Nintendo, it is these devs who are the real culprit and are hurting the gaming industry.

Case in point. Ok, thats fine.. I can go with the whole gameplay idea... but the visuals are apart of that gameplay, as is the sound and everything else related to the game itself. Its not just the control that makes a game. I appologize, but nintendo is doing nothing new , not even the controller itself (think power glove). Im sick of this nintendo is innovative crap... theyre selling you garage sell ideas at full price and you people are eating it up.
And just for the record, nintendo isnt the only ones trying to recreate gameplay, theyre just the only ones recycling ideas. I havent advanced this far just to start all over again.
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[Pantyhelmet]

the handheld market is another beast entirely, Nintendogs and Tetris are GOTY material for that market, and thats OK, but when you try to take away the ICO's and FF7's and try to replace them with Wii Butt Toning Excercises 2, HOUSTON, we have a problem. another thing, my lady friends bother me enough, gaming is my sanctuary, if she just HAD to be in my presence, i prefer my "girlfriend" just give me brain as i play rather than play next to me. That lovey dovey play wiisports with me $#!+ is for lames and wii fans.

[skarekrow]

the handheld market is another beast entirely, Nintendogs and Tetris are GOTY material for that market, and thats OK, but when you try to take away the ICO's and FF7's and try to replace them with Wii Butt Toning Excercises 2, HOUSTON, we have a problem. another thing, my lady friends bother me enough, gaming is my sanctuary, if she just HAD to be in my presence, i prefer my "girlfriend" just give me brain as i play rather than play next to me. That lovey dovey play wiisports with me $#!+ is for lames and wii fans.

I have to agree with you on this. Nintendo is doing a good job in the hand held market, I can truly mark the DS up as being innovative and creative.

[Azure]

Yeah like the 1up show said they were originally pleased they were expanding the market but now they dislike it. They as gamers would actually prefer moms and dads not to be playing the games so the market is more focused on what we have traditionally preferred.

Ie things that arent crap or mini games.

[Grifer]

Crap & mini-games are easy and cheap to develop which mean more money to developers as wider user base (ie. mom & pop) buy them at nearly identical price to Killzone 2.
Better yet, Wii doesn't apply to hardcore gamers. Or did, but novelty wears off quickly. Ultimately this means more developers get more money from petty side quests like Cooking Mama which eventually gives them more artistic freedom (artistic freedom comes after stable economy) to create their game of dreams for real systems.

I too considered Wii a threat to industry after I got disappointed by it, but I see things a bit differently now. It's the platform that takes money away from grey masses that barely know what the Internet is, let alone gamespot. New ignorant audience to exploit easily = more money = better games.

[Beodude123]

Wii killing the game industry, or reinvigorating it? Now, Sony is certainly not resting on it's laurels from PSone and PS2, and neither is Microsoft (to a slightly lesser extent). But some competition is pretty much always good for business. You can argue that the Wii isn't really competition with the 360 or PS3, but it is. If Nintendo keeps growing at the ridiculous pace that it is, maybe it will force Sony and Microsoft to do something. In all honesty, I think the Wii craze will start to slow down after this Christmas, but who knows.

Still though, I think competition is good. I'm not an analyst or anything, so I can't see the future, but I'm not too worried about gaming. I can't see Sony doing a 180, making PS2.12 with motion controls and mini games.

[YamNivek]

By god, I think its finally sinking in!
Ive been saying this from the begining and ill say it until the end.
What the hell is wrong with people, theyre buying products they/ve already have/had. Wii Fit: Power Pad (NES) and DDR (PS2 and 360).
Wii Zapper : Duck hunt (NES)
Next well see the Wii Glove (The equivalent of the power glove)
and the W.O.B. (Equivalent of R.O.B.)
All products that have been released decades ago and are currently being foddered off as being new. Consumers certainly are sheep and ill say it again, if they win, gamings screwed and im out entirely.

Have you even looked at the items shown at E3 or did you just mak up your m ind through some posts on here.

The Wii Fit board isnt something that been released before. It looked to me like quite a sophisticated pressure sensing device. It could tell which way you were leaning by the amount of pressure exerted by each foot. Its not just two big buttons like the DDR pads were. They were just normal controller laid out on the floor. Instead of using your thumbs to press the button you used your feet. The wii fit board looked a lot more sophisticated than that.

The Zapper is just a cradle for the two controllers to sit in and feel more like the gun your holing on screen. It wont be essential yet may be fun to use.

Why would you need a Wii glove? the Wiimote has all the sensing youll need.

Nintendo isnt marketing this stuff at you. They know that the average gamer isnt going to buy this. Yet the average gamer hasnt brought Brain training, yet its one of their biggest sellers across the world. I find it strange how people cant grasp that fact that Nintendo are making games that appeal to teh ahrdcore fans, yet they dont really need to market these. The fans know about them. They need to market to the new gamers, people they are trying to bring into the fold. These people dont look at the internet for gaming news.

Games are for everyone not just 12-20 year olds.

[kingsam]

This thread kills me inside.

You guys are a threat to my idealism of gaming, get over it.

Beside that, what they should AFTER the E3 stuff (which i thought was ok if a bit praising themselves too much) was simply awesome, seriously Mario Galaxy looks liek it'll be the best game this year

[skarekrow]

Have you even looked at the items shown at E3 or did you just mak up your m ind through some posts on here.

The Wii Fit board isnt something that been released before. It looked to me like quite a sophisticated pressure sensing device. It could tell which way you were leaning by the amount of pressure exerted by each foot. Its not just two big buttons like the DDR pads were. They were just normal controller laid out on the floor. Instead of using your thumbs to press the button you used your feet. The wii fit board looked a lot more sophisticated than that.

The Zapper is just a cradle for the two controllers to sit in and feel more like the gun your holing on screen. It wont be essential yet may be fun to use.

Why would you need a Wii glove? the Wiimote has all the sensing youll need.

Nintendo isnt marketing this stuff at you. They know that the average gamer isnt going to buy this. Yet the average gamer hasnt brought Brain training, yet its one of their biggest sellers across the world. I find it strange how people cant grasp that fact that Nintendo are making games that appeal to teh ahrdcore fans, yet they dont really need to market these. The fans know about them. They need to market to the new gamers, people they are trying to bring into the fold. These people dont look at the internet for gaming news.

Games are for everyone not just 12-20 year olds.

The wii fit crap... its a dumbed down version of the above mentioned products, but I was using them as more of an example.
If you ask me, wii fit is nothing more than electronic stair stepper. I get the same result with a $10 piece of plastic and a video tape found at a lawn sale.
The rest of the products, youve pretty much proven my point, recycled crap. So moving along.
They werent marketing to the hardcore gamers until they actually started to go somewhere and then they came out like they were marketing to the hardcore gamers which is where my problem with wii lies. If they want to set the thing on the shelves with V-tech educational consoles, thats fine by me... but when they start to taunt, brag and boast when theyre selling well, then I have a problem because this crap is getting mixed up in the industry that's actually trying to go somewhere, you know, evolve as technology is suppose to... and its going to end up effecting it. And now specifically, theyre straying away from gaming entirely as the op was trying to point out. Sports, isnt that big of a deal, theyre still games.. but now aerobics crap on a game console? Im sure you saw the demonstration, thats not a game.. thats not even remotely close to a game.
screw nintendo, screw the wii and screw what their going to do to the industry and when it happens, be sure to thank yourself for supporting them.

[Pantyhelmet]

This thread kills me inside.

You guys are a threat to my idealism of gaming, get over it.

Beside that, what they should AFTER the E3 stuff (which i thought was ok if a bit praising themselves too much) was simply awesome, seriously Mario Galaxy looks liek it'll be the best game this year

I BLAME YOU AND YOUR KIND FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH GAMING!!!! *__*
You're the hardline Nintendo fan i speak of, your ilks nostalgic crush on the plumber paved the way for this lopsided excuse for a "NEXT" generation.

[Beodude123]

I BLAME YOU AND YOUR KIND FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH GAMING!!!! *__*
You're the hardline Nintendo fan i speak of, your ilks nostalgic crush on the plumber paved the way for this lopsided excuse for a "NEXT" generation.

Why are you talking like this guy enjoying Nintendo games is the bane of this generation? It's pretty sad that you think that.

[skarekrow]

I BLAME YOU AND YOUR KIND FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH GAMING!!!! *__*
You're the hardline Nintendo fan i speak of, your ilks nostalgic crush on the plumber paved the way for this lopsided excuse for a "NEXT" generation.

im at a loss for words, too hilarious.

[StruggleWithin]

If you look back through the years Nintendo has always had sometype of exercise peripherals..the power pad? they also has something for a stationary bike for SNES..I can't remember if they had something for the 64, or the cube but I'm sure there was something..

[skarekrow]

If you look back through the years Nintendo has always had sometype of exercise peripherals..the power pad? they also has something for a stationary bike for SNES..I can't remember if they had something for the 64, or the cube but I'm sure there was something..

Exactly. In a "console war" where the winner decides what the "next generation" will be like (see Sony and Microsoft switching places from last generation), Taking something old, calling it new and charging more should be avoided and thats my problem. If the wii takes this war, 720 and ps4 will be 360 and ps3 with some old/new add on thrown into the box, called innovative and cost more than the prior console. Not something im looking forward too.
If you were a business, saw a company that does little to nothing, marginally outselling you after you poured your heart and soul into your product, the next time you make a product, what would you do?
I personally, would no longer try, id just throw something together, call it new and sell it to the morons that buy the line and im sure, Ms and Sony are no different.

[Super_Lilith]

Exactly. In a "console war" where the winner decides what the "next generation" will be like (see Sony and Microsoft switching places from last generation), Taking something old, calling it new and charging more should be avoided and thats my problem. If the wii takes this war, 720 and ps4 will be 360 and ps3 with some old/new add on thrown into the box, called innovative and cost more than the prior console. Not something im looking forward too.
If you were a business, saw a company that does little to nothing, marginally outselling you after you poured your heart and soul into your product, the next time you make a product, what would you do?
I personally, would no longer try, id just throw something together, call it new and sell it to the morons that buy the line and im sure, Ms and Sony are no different.

No they won't, it will just cause Sony and Microsoft to realise that more powerful hardware is not enough. This will be a good thing.

sony and microsoft will try harder, making an even better product which is a genuine revolution in gaming, and not just more polygons and bigger games.

[skarekrow]

No they won't, it will just cause Sony and Microsoft to realise that more powerful hardware is not enough. This will be a good thing.

sony and microsoft will try harder, making an even better product which is a genuine revolution in gaming, and not just more polygons and bigger games.

im pretty sure sony has already stepped into the "powerful hardware is not enough" ring and is getting absolutely no credit or praise for said actions.
They to have a motion sensitive controller that is also used for games if so desired.... on top of the graphics. and of course, Ms is working on it as well not too mention them bringing over Guitar Hero, Rock band, DDR, Live Vision and many other peripherals of that nature.

So I fail to see your point.

[SnowHawk]

sony will bring the most innovative thing out this year called eye of judgement but will they get the praise for it no because people think only nintendo can do innovation nintendo is killing the console business i mean they put a gamecube in a new case and put a motion controller with it and charge double of the gamecube please tell me whats so innovative about that but they do great handhelds

[kudoshinchi]

That ok when all console gaming turn into something like wii, I will still play my PC games and abandon console.

[Chemo]

pretty much agree with the op aside from the handheld market were i am all for what Nintendo does there they are infact killing the console market i can't imagine Sony and MS pushing the technological boundaries if the Wii keeps this up.

[babyface]

If anything Sony and microsoft are killing the gaming industry more then Nintendo. While nintendo are focusing on new gameplay and control mechanics, Sony is just raising the graphics and giving us more of the same e.g better graphics, bigger games.

Really? Just as they did before on PS2? Which one was the console that brought

- Singstar
- Guitar Hero
- Buzz
- EyeToy

Speaking of EyeToy, the new "Judgement" installement is far more innovative than anything I've seen from Nintendo so far. The new Singstar also raises the bar with its online and sharing features. The Wii Fit reminds me of... wait... "Dance Dance Revolution"...

For some reason many keep attributing innovation to Nintendo, but many of the most popular gaming concepts of the last few years have appeared on Playstation.

I really don't see where Nintendo wants to go with this Wii Fit stuff. Do they really think the average 6-pack Joe is interested in working out while gaming? And how innovative is it to release Mario game no. 371 and Zelda 125?

[seebs]

You guys are SO missing the point.

Nintendo is expanding the industry. Bringing in people who wanted to play something that wasn't a shooter, sports sim, or racing game. Not every recreational activity has to fit into a genre that was easy to implement on the Sega Genesis.

Go into a bookstore some time. Are all the books there of personal interest to you? I bet they aren't. And yet, the existence of that huge, broad, range of books helps you too, because that's what makes bookstores viable enough that the books you want are in print too.

Gaming's not in any danger. This is, in fact, probably the best thing to happen to gaming since the NES.

I expect there will always be some market for pushing the envelope on hardware. Look at the auto industry. Are sports cars completely dead because commuter cars do well? In fact, it's the other way around; it's because of commuter cars that enough people get into driving that there's a market for sports cars.