Did he rape her? Or was she lying?

Jaeger

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The following is a fictional scenario.

The following is a fictional scenario

  • We’re introduced to Kate standing outside looking for a cab. When a cab does arrive, she names her destination but the driver says he can’t go there. She is groggy and seems light headed, perhaps drunk. She opens the car door anyway and places her bag onto the seat but the driver puts his foot down on the pedal driving a few feet before she is left on the ground by the sudden movement of the vehicle. The driver stops and asks if she’s okay, but overcome with anger, she throws a bottle at his rear window. Driver comes out of the car to confront her – but at that time a police car passes by and stops. When the officer asks what the commotion between the two is, the driver angrily demands her to be thrown in jail for smashing his window. ‘Please. Wait’ she interrupts, holding back tears. ‘I’ve just been raped’.
  • When detectives arrive on the scene, a man comes forward towards them explaining that he lives here and saw the police lights. He explains he knows the girl. When he is told that she says she was raped, he looks uncomfortable and lowers his eyes before reassuringly telling the detective that ‘she’s going to say I did it’. We learn this man is her college professor. We’ll call him David
  • When Kate is taken to hospital, despite her wishes, she expresses concern for David after he is taken away by police. In her account, David was the one who called her and asked to take a look at her artwork. She claims he asked her to come over that night, but he claims that she was free to come by whenever she wanted after getting the call from her asking him to take a look at her work. They both agree that David is only one of six that would eventually grade her work. David meanwhile goes on to recount talking with her and then opening a bottle of wine, saying that he’s learnt his students are more honest about their thoughts on their work in a domestic environment. Kate disputes this – according to her he whilst he invites students generally, he takes particular keen interest in his female students. Both agreed, however, that after drinking the wine they both started to kiss consensually. But they disagree on what happened next. Both claim the other ‘wouldn’t stop – he/she was all over me’. He alleges that whilst he was okay with it, he wasn’t so sure any more after she asked him to be ‘rough’ and ‘hold me down’. Kate corroborates that he was rough with her, but that she did not ask for it and even when she begged him to stop he did not.
  • Whilst being medically inspected, bemused by having to remove all his clothes, David seems comfortable. By contrast, Kate is visibly distressed at having to take her clothes off to a stranger (female doctor). There is evidence of marks on both their bodies and evidence of intercourse. On his lip is an abrasion – to which he claimed she had bitten him. There is another bite mark on his arm and deep scratches on his back; caused by her sexual appetite he alleges. To Kate, these were caused by her struggle to get away from him. They both agree he had his hands around her neck – but he claims it was to stop her attacking him any further. Curiously, at this point of events he recalls losing sexual interest. He adds that she never accused him of rape whilst together, but seemed visibly dejected after he hadn’t asked her to stay over the night. His wife had left him some months ago and he was lonely, he appeals. Kate on the hospital bed, with her eyes staring into nothing, wonders why he had to ‘hurt me and treat me like a piece of garbage’. When the detective questioning her approaches and places her hand on Kate’s (who is looking elsewhere) to comfort her, she flinches in shock at the unexpected physical contact
  • When Kate meets the other detective – the one that was questioning David (let’s call him Mike), she is without means to get back home so Mike offers to take her there. Struggling to walk up the staircase to her apartment, Mike holds her hand for support as he walks her up. She falls back and he grabs her by the chest with both arms (he is slightly behind), and because of that his hands are on her breasts. She turns around and stares into his eyes – she is seemingly attracted to him. Mike on the other hand lowers his gaze realising the awkwardness.
  • It is later discovered that she had two different semen traces on her – she had sex with another man recently, presumably on the same day. Kate denies this, thinking it’s some sort of ‘trick’ to undermine her. However, she will later have to confess to it. She claims she didn't want to admit to it because the guy she is dating, Justin, was 'insanely jealous of David'. She didn't want Justin to know about this entire situation, which is why she hid the fact that she had slept with him before David.
  • David’s attorney piles doubt over Kate’s claims by revealing she has a record of lying. ‘She once told a heart-wrenching story of learning of her grandmothers death – she was so upset she couldn’t walk a straight line when the officer (who pulled her over) asked her to. Her grandmother bailed her the next morning’. The attorney then produces a document with a list of names Kate’s sexual partners.
  • One of the names on that list is Justin. When detectives question him, telling him what had happened to Kate, Justin immediately guesses that David is involved. He claims that David is always sleeping with his female students who ‘line up after class to…inspire…him’, he says. Kate, he adds, couldn’t stop talking about him when she and him (Justin) were dating.
  • That list of names? Turns out it came from Kate’s roommate Jenny. Now, Jenny doesn’t believe for a moment that Kate was raped – she says Kate is known to be wild when she drinks and that she had always had a crush on David. Besides, she adds, David isn’t into rough. Apparently Jenny speaks from experience – she and David were a couple until she found out that he had slept with her roommate. But after he apologized to her, she has forgiven him. David seemingly got back with Jenny to get dirt (that list) on Kate, but she disputes any ulterior motives.
  • The two detectives, one male and one female, fallout in disagreement on whether Kate is being truthful or not. The male detective thinks she is lying whilst the female detective believes her.
  • Kate’s attorney meanwhile is furious. The attorney brings forward Kate’s claim that Mike sexually harassed her client – that he touched her in an inappropriate manner (the staircase incident). Kate previously accuses the detectives of not believing her and dismissing her.
  • Kate begins to get dozens of hate emails. ‘Liar’. ‘Whore’. We learn that it is David’s teenage daughter that sent these messages.
  • David gets fired from his job after word got around the school
  • David’s teenage daughter is suspected to have sent the emails. She is interrogated but he as her parent is allowed to be in the room. Whenever she is asked a question, she looks at her father (who is behind the detective asking the questions) and responds accordingly based on his facial expressions. He is coaching her. He admits that it was Sophie who sent the emails but takes responsibility for them, claiming she saw how upset he was over the ordeal.
  • Kate attempts suicide by a pill overdose and is found unconscious in her bathtub.
  • We then learn that Kate had called the office of one of the detectives and was told the female detective (lets call her Haley) was on her to see her. It is suspected that, as Kate knew she had the sympathy of Haley throughout, she engineered the attempted suicide knowing that Haley would arrive shortly and empathise with her further, interpreting it as evidence of depression. Kate rejects this. She said she was crying in the tub and wanted to take the pills to take away the pain. She breaks down in tears, realising that her credibility is ruined and so wanted to die.

What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
 

$Greatness$

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She lyin'. They say 85% of the time the chicken is lying. From what I read this seems to be the case. Sad part is somebody gets dealt with because of a chicken lyin' on them.
 
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GMOESAF

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[QUOTE="$Greatness$, post: 5624641]She lyin'. They say 85% of the time the chicken is lying. From what I read this seems to be the case. Sad part is somebody gets dealt with because of a chicken lyin' on them.[/QUOTE]

lol

idiot

on topic

the guy is guilty


David’s teenage daughter is suspected to have sent the emails. She is interrogated but he as her parent is allowed to be in the room. Whenever she is asked a question, she looks at her father (who is behind the detective asking the questions) and responds accordingly based on his facial expressions. He is coaching her. He admits that it was Sophie who sent the emails but takes responsibility for them, claiming she saw how upset he was over the ordeal."

rape is about power this says it all
 
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I say 50/50 both ways.

But you know, a lot of people who are raped are liars. You know? There could be a wild woman who parties and sleeps around all the time. The guys know it, could rape her, and tell authorities she lies and sleeps around. That hits her creditibility, but she was still raped.

I am just grateful in this country authorities actually try to punish rapists. In other countries . . . I shiver thinking about it.
 

MedicDog

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[QUOTE="The Black Wolf, post: 5624677]
a lot of people who are raped are liars. You know?[/QUOTE]

Erm what? seriously?
I'm also a large chunk of people who're raped don't actually come forward to report the crime aswell.
 

$Greatness$

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[QUOTE="GMOESAF, post: 5624645]lol

idiot

on topic

the guy is guilty





rape is about power this says it all[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah?

[QUOTE="F34R, post: 5624648]Not enough info to determine...

If that is ALL the info, it comes down to credibility, and she doesn't have any.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="R_Mac_1, post: 5624703]It's hard to say. But, the way she's acting she's bringing any and all doubt on herself and doesn't deserve to be believed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Funeralfog, post: 5624756]i've seen this happen to the nicest guys before. the bitch is full of it[/QUOTE]

Doesn't look like the majority is feeding into the bullshit either. The chicken was acting irregular for someone who's been raped or felt violated. As my man FuneralFog stated... "The bitch is full of it." :D
 

Cyklops

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I mean this case can't be solved, unless more concrete evidence can be left on the table. From the look of it, it seems there's a 60-40 chance, with David having the benefit of the doubt. Kate seems very much like an attention seeking drama-queen, who knows she has done something she'll regret later on as time goes, and David seems like a womanizing idiot, who uses his college professor position for a more ulterior motive. I say Kate has a lesser chance, seeing as when the Detective Mike was escorting her back to her home, and she was in no position to maintain herself after the 'rape' on the same night, she is still very much attracted towards him, and with her drama-queen antics of trying to suicide just so as to increase her sympathy base in the investigation. Though counter arguments to the above claim might be that David is a domineering power-hungry person, who is able to just control what his poor teenage daughter with his looks, to tell the police what he wants her to tell them.

In the end, both of them got what they both deserved. David lost his job and credibility in his profession, and maybe even the respect of his daughter and surely of his now-seperated wife, while Kate surely is on the verge of deep depression, losing all her credibility in the case, and maybe even losing her friends and her only sympathizer in the case - Detective Haley.

Read the following article, and all related articles, for why I believe rape is a more sinister crime than what it seems. Nowadays, who is to know the actual victim and assailant in a rape case?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/10/national/main5962973.shtml
 
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[QUOTE="MedicDog, post: 5624809]Erm what? seriously?[/QUOTE]

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

I didn't mean it as in "People who claimed to be raped are lying about it". I meant "People who lie about things can be and are raped too".
 

Gantz

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this scenario is from a Law and order svu episode that really pissed me off cause it was all engrossing but at the end the show went off right before the verdict with a "what do you think happend?" kinda cliffhanger. I myself think that the chick lied, but i remember i wanted to know what the verdict was going to be and the asshats cut it off before i could get it. I mean thats the whole point to watching law and order...
 

Fon

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I can't believe either of them. Kate has a history of lying to dodge trouble with the police and that's what was going to happen with the cab driver when the police arrived so she went on to claim that she was raped in order to dodge trouble again. Then there's the part with the investigator and how she didn't react when he accidentally grabbed her inappropriately. David on the other hand seemed to have baited her into seeing him about her work alone. He also used wine which is a great tool to control a woman.
 

*goo

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[QUOTE="Cyklops, post: 5624844]Read the following article, and all related articles, for why I believe rape is a more sinister crime than what it seems. Nowadays, who is to know the actual victim and assailant in a rape case?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/10/national/main5962973.shtml
[/QUOTE]

She only risked sentencing 'up to 7 years' whereas he was originally convicted for 20? That's shocking. She should be punished with his sentence term.