GT5 90% complete

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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/01/talking-gran-turismo-5/1

Kazunori Yamauchi is admiring his handiwork. He has just finished maneuvered a Ferrari 458 Italia sports car through the streets of a virtual Tokyo in a trade show build of the still in-development Gran Turismo 5."On this track the hardest thing was just making the scenery of Tokyo," he says, standing beside the sports car cockpit/HDTV arcade setup where he took the Ferrari for a spin during last week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. He's watching the replay of his trial. "It took about a year to complete one track."

The plan is to have about 70 tracks and close to 1,000 cars. Work continues on the game at Polyphony Digital after Sony on Wednesday announced that it would be postponed. The U.S. launch had been planned for sometime after the March release in Japan. For now, the game has an undetermined launch date. (You can test drive the game currently in a demo available on the PlayStation Network.)

During an interview at CES with Yamauchi he talked about his plans for the game. "Games have kind of branched out into very detailed genres since 15 years ago when I first started developing games. And because they have branched out into these categories they have started to lose their individuality. It's hard to differentiate between one game and another. I want Gran Turismo 5 to be something really special so we are doing something to really revolutionize car games and racing games in Gran Turismo 5.

More from the interview with Gran Turismo creator Kazunori Yamauchi:

What stage is the game at?
About 90% of the game is done. We are just working on the last 10% and polishing up everything.




Talk a bit about what players will experience when they get to play the game.
I created the first Gran Tursimo back in 1997 (for the original PlayStation). Back then, it kind of set a new standard for the style for car racing games. This Gran Turismo 5 is going to change all that now. It will change the style of car games in the future. It will be creating a new standard for the genre.

In what manner?
The entire game design and you might be able to say the functionality of the game. I think it would be expressed better if you just say the entire game design.

How are you doing this and is this to allow players to go deeper into the car driving experience?
I think the background behind it is the advancements in technology. But the driving force and necessity for that change is really the times we live in and that the lifestyles of the people playing games have changed over the years.

What is it about cars and racing that led you to create the Gran Turismo games?
Out of all the industrial products out there, cars are very special. One, because you control the car and it allows you to travel at amazing speeds, basically enhancing what you do. And as an object, a car is beautiful in design.

The other thing is that cars are something that let you cross the bounds of society. For example, I drove from Los Angeles to Las Vegas for this trip and as long as you are driving under 65 miles an hour you are within the bounds of society. Once you go a little bit over you are kind of crossing those bounds and I can't think of anything else in the world that lets you do something like that.

For example, like knives or guns, if you make the wrong decisions they will take you out of the bounds. But it's not like cars where before you realize it, wait, I am out of the bounds.

For all those types of meanings, cars are special, I think. Because cars have that attraction is what drove me to make a video game out of them.

How old were you when you know you had an interest in cars?
Three.

What happened?
My father used to load his wares onto his car and take me around while he drove around for business. Just driving around, I learned the shapes and names of all the cars that were on the road back then. It was something that I enjoyed. I think when I was three, I could probably name every car on the road. That's around when it started.

Here at CES there is a lot of talk about 3D games and motion control for video games. What are your thoughts on those technologies?
For 3D, I think our level of expression in that technology is not really complete yet. We still have a lot of work in development that has to poured into that field.

As for motion control it is a brand new user interface. It really has infinite possibilities, of course, for the game industry and other industries. There is still a lot more development that needs to go into it but it's a major possibility right now.

Are you looking at using motion control in Gran Turismo 5?
It might be used to maybe control the user interface like you would a mouse, but that the extent we would use it for.
 
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This is beginning to bug me quite a bit. First, the game could be released at any time, now it's only 90% done.... I'm having serious doubts about anything other than a fall release now.
 
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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 0]This is beginning to bug me quite a bit. First, the game could be released at any time, now it's only 90% done.... I'm having serious doubts about anything other than a fall release now.[/quote]
its 90% to were he wants it. They could still release it and it would be a great game. But Yamauchi is a perfectionist^^
 

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[QUOTE="Darji, post: 0]its 90% to were he wants it. They could still release it and it would be a great game. But Yamauchi is a perfectionist^^[/quote]

I don't know. I agree with F34R. My shoulders slumped when I read 90%. While I'm still hoping for a worldwide summer 2010 release, I'm starting to feel like I won't see this game for another 9 months.
 
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For a March release, the game would have had to be going gold sometime this month, early Feb at the very least. Now that the game is only at 90%, that gold status is even further away, pushing an actual release date back even further for everyone.
 

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[QUOTE="Darji, post: 0]its 90% to were he wants it. They could still release it and it would be a great game. But Yamauchi is a perfectionist^^[/quote]

That's not what Yamauchi said. He said it's 90% complete. That means it's not done and not release worthy.

Yamauchi may well be a perfectionist but his statement is clear. The game is not finished (even assuming it's just his work ethic that's holding it back).

In any event, it's not ready and probably wasn't back last year when he said it could release any time.

Appears to me that Polyphony Digital were using airtime to do nothing more than build anticipation.

Doing a U-turn and saying the game isn't yet complete is very disappointing. That said, there's plenty other games to be playing.
 
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[QUOTE="*goo, post: 0] That said, there's plenty other games to be playing.[/quote]
You know.. nothing against you personally, it's just this comment, along with the others that keep saying this, isn't a comfort for me. There aren't a lot of games for me to play until GT5 comes. There are only a handful of games coming out this year that I'm going to get, and most won't last too long at all.
 

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I understand the frustration but I'm not going to spend my time being disappointed about the ever-vague release of Gran Turismo 5.

I'm not trying to comfort you (or anyone else), I'll genuinely be spending my time playing other games. The delay, whilst disappointing; doesn't change the fact there are tonnes of titles for myself and other people to enjoy whilst GT5 is being finished.

:)

(None of that's meant as a personal assault, but I realise it might read that way!)
 
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[QUOTE="*goo, post: 0]That's not what Yamauchi said. He said it's 90% complete. That means it's not done and not release worthy.

Yamauchi may well be a perfectionist but his statement is clear. The game is not finished (even assuming it's just his work ethic that's holding it back).

In any event, it's not ready and probably wasn't back last year when he said it could release any time.

Appears to me that Polyphony Digital were using airtime to do nothing more than build anticipation.

Doing a U-turn and saying the game isn't yet complete is very disappointing. That said, there's plenty other games to be playing.[/quote]
ähm he said that they could release it any day but he is not satisfied with this game yet because there is always something to polish more. Its no U-turn. Do you really thing they changed big things after forzas release or something like that?

If Yamauchi wants something in it it must be almost perfect and nothing else. Gran Turismo took over 5 years and was a revoltion and the same thing said yamauchi about GT5.
 

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The percentages are terribly arbitrary and is not an indicator of time. 90% completion at CES does not explain the delay.

This has always been a problem when devs try to answer that question.
 

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[QUOTE="*goo, post: 0]That's not what Yamauchi said. He said it's 90% complete. That means it's not done and not release worthy.

Yamauchi may well be a perfectionist but his statement is clear. The game is not finished (even assuming it's just his work ethic that's holding it back).

In any event, it's not ready and probably wasn't back last year when he said it could release any time.

Appears to me that Polyphony Digital were using airtime to do nothing more than build anticipation.

Doing a U-turn and saying the game isn't yet complete is very disappointing. That said, there's plenty other games to be playing.[/quote]

A title worthy of release to some companies is not release worthy to others.

PD know they have a game they can release, but they are taking their corporately induced push back to add as much polish as possible. This is pretty obvious to me at least.

This whole "90% finished" smacks so much of trying to reinforce the idea of the postponement being for creative reasons rather than business reasons, when the truth is just that, it's blatantly a business related decision.
 

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People, the percentages are NOT AN INDICATOR FOR TIME. When he made the comment the release date was still march.

[QUOTE="*goo, post: 0]That's not what Yamauchi said. He said it's 90% complete. That means it's not done and not release worthy.

Yamauchi may well be a perfectionist but his statement is clear. The game is not finished (even assuming it's just his work ethic that's holding it back).

In any event, it's not ready and probably wasn't back last year when he said it could release any time.

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Chance are he said what he meant. Obviously time consuming things like 1000 cars, and many features they mentioned most likely would not have made it. What he meant was that they had something up and running that could be passed off as complete. Maybe it would have had 800 cars and 10 locations. This percentage is based off of what they said they were going to deliver recently.

Just because he opted to put more features in, doesn't mean that the game couldn't have been completed.

Normally the very last thing worked on the game is graphics and optimizing performance. The last 10% could mean anything, it could have even meant 2 weeks of work. Normally the large completion markers are at the start not at the end.

It is all about the question they asked. They could have asked him if the game had all the feature he originally planned in it. They could have asked him (which would be kinda silly with a demo build on the floor) if the game was in playable condition.

If I was there, I would have asked him one simple question. Upon completion of the game, will it already be localized for EU and NA?

That would be a great question that if he answered yes to, would show what is going on with the divisions.
 
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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 0]This is beginning to bug me quite a bit. First, the game could be released at any time, now it's only 90% done.... I'm having serious doubts about anything other than a fall release now.[/quote]

It never was ready to release in terms of being a full GT release. People got their hopes up way too much when they saw the 'we can release it any time' quote without knowing the context behind it. And this is the context behind it

"Naturally, my attention is focused purely on Gran Turismo 5 right now," he told Famitsu magazine in an interview published this week. "The scale of this title is just dizzying, so daily progress is slow, but it's still going forward at a steady clip. All the basic stuff is complete, but we're trying to give everything that little bit extra at present. We could release it any time we want, really, but I want to have that classic GT-style 'did we really have to go this far?' feel going. I want to go way beyond gamer expectations."
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176462

That was during TGS, when the 'we can release it any time' quote was circulating. He's not trying to release a racing game that's 'good enough', he's trying to release one that goes beyond our expectations. That's why what they had during TGS wasn't enough as far as Polyphony's standards go. It was probably enough for a full game release though, which is why he said 'we could release it any time'.

During TGS the game was announced to be 65% complete. The fact that they're at 90% now is quite a big deal. It's essentially the final stretch in development when you're just cleaning up the nasty bits of the performance and adding in those other extra touches.
 

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If 90% is a true figure and it can be time related then we are looking at something around 6 or 7 months before it'll be ready as it's been in development roughly 5 years (60 months) now which is July/August.
 

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[QUOTE="Kingpin326, post: 0]Wait why would SONY release two of it's biggest franchises (GoW/GT) in one month (March)?

This has to be the doing of SONY and not PD. They will most likely release it mid-late summer time..[/quote]

GT5 only had a japanese release date.... and GoW is not as big in japan.
 
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[QUOTE="Smiler, post: 0]If 90% is a true figure and it can be time related then we are looking at something around 6 or 7 months before it'll be ready as it's been in development roughly 5 years (60 months) now which is July/August.[/quote]
:lol::lol::lol:
 

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[QUOTE="Smiler, post: 0]If 90% is a true figure and it can be time related then we are looking at something around 6 or 7 months before it'll be ready as it's been in development roughly 5 years (60 months) now which is July/August.[/quote]


I just said twice that it wasn't. I knew people were going to eventually think this way.

Look at the post above you. It says that GT5 was 65% at TGS 2009, the 90% claim was at CES 2010. If you do the math, then that means they should be done by march, no? Considering there is 3 months between the shows that would leave an estimate of 40 days till completion.

But considering that the percentages are arbitrary, any comparitive math would fail. Chances are the last 10% should by faster than the first 10% by magnitudes.
 
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[QUOTE="Kingpin326, post: 0]Wait why would SONY release two of it's biggest franchises (GoW/GT) in one month (March)?

This has to be the doing of SONY and not PD. They will most likely release it mid-late summer time..[/quote]
In that case, why give a release date, only to take it back? That doesn't make any sense... do you think that they just forgot about all the other games that will be released at that time?

Sony: "GT5 will release in March 2010 in Japan"

sony guy whispers to others: "psst, we have other games coming out already in March"

Sony: "GT5 is being delayed for more time to polish it up"

Yeah... that's what happened. :roll:
 
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[QUOTE="Hologram, post: 0]so its 90% done. i thought a few months back they could release it whenever they wanted...WTF:bang:[/quote]

Yeh they could release it, but they can keep adding and fine tuning it I guess. I think they want it to be the best gt game so far. Maybe they gotta test online connections and bugs and glitches etc, and maybe the youtube support and sounds for 1000 cars etc all have to be fine tuned and working properly. You dont want to get half way through the game and have it freeze on you after youve unlocked 600 cars, only to find out youve lost everything from damaged save data like in many other games.:D
 
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Well they could release the game now and it would be a generation ahead of competition. But polishing this extra "10%" will make it generations ahead ;)

Wouldn´t be the first time...
 

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[QUOTE="Smiler, post: 0]If 90% is a true figure and it can be time related then we are looking at something around 6 or 7 months before it'll be ready as it's been in development roughly 5 years (60 months) now which is July/August.[/quote]

FAIL OF THE WORLD!

Percentage does not equal time!

And F34R, No that's clearly not what happened.

What clearly happened was this.

PD: We will release in March 2010 which is going to keep Sony happy as it will show on their annual return for fiscal 2009 statement.

Sony: Er, we smashed our targets already. There is no point in overdoing it, the shareholders will be happy with exceeds expectations. No need to blow our load on 2009 when we can can it and get 2010 off to an awesome start.

PD: Er... we need to do some last minute polish..... actually we CAN give it some polish now you come to mention it... Thanks Sony!

Sony: Don't **** up!
 

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I think this game will come out in all parts of the world late summer or early fall. I'm just glad they aren't rushing this. No way it would have been ready this last Christmas (which is when a lot of us wanted it out), and now they are just adding things like better smoke and particle effects. We've waited this long already. I don't mind waiting a bit longer. You don't hear people talking about waiting another month for Splinter Cell (which was shown and announced in 2005 and has been delayed what, 3 times?). Let them put the final touches on it. It'll get a better marketing and selling window any ways if they wait until fall. I'm not saying PD have handled these delays well or haven't really annoyed us fans with teasers for such a long period of time. I just want them to not rush things.
 
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[QUOTE="skulpt, post: 0]I think this game will come out in all parts of the world late summer or early fall. I'm just glad they aren't rushing this. No way it would have been ready this last Christmas (which is when a lot of us wanted it out), and now they are just adding things like better smoke and particle effects. We've waited this long already. I don't mind waiting a bit longer. You don't hear people talking about waiting another month for Splinter Cell (which was shown and announced in 2005 and has been delayed what, 3 times?). Let them put the final touches on it. It'll get a better marketing and selling window any ways if they wait until fall. I'm not saying PD have handled these delays well or haven't really annoyed us fans with teasers for such a long period of time. I just want them to not rush things.[/quote]

I´m glad someone agrees with me
 

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lovely, I guess there will be a LE version for GT to go with the UTE of GOW3
doesn't Sony know people need money to buy those stuff
 

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GT5 will be released when Sony releases there new 3D TV's this summer! Also there supposedly will be a 3D GT5. Read that somewhere but can remember, was from the CES though!