High NGP Pricing Hinted at By Jack Tretton?

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[QUOTE="Kauldron, post: 5504456]I think of how Sony keeps shrinking the innards of the PS3. The system is cheaper to produce because of this, it doesn't become more expensive.[/QUOTE]
That's only true to a certain point and doesn't necessarily apply in all cases. If they have to come up with somewhat NEW technology (instead of just making existing tech like Cell & RSX smaller) AND make it small enough to be able to be packed into a small space like with portables (while also thinking of the energy-effiency), then it might not be cheaper, at least not initially. All new tech is a bit more expensive in the beginning than what it might really take to manufacture. NGP might be too, but I still don't think a 300$ is, in any way, unreasonable (they've worked hard in creating the thing and they are a business that needs to make profit), and while I'd be happy to only pay 200-250$, I know that might not be the case, everything considered.
 
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Three scenarios... the little beasty is actually going to cost a lot because it cost a lot to build, or it's going to cost a lot and Sony are going to sell it with a substantial profit margin on each system. The other scenario is Sony giving us an extremely competitive price out of the gate, regardless of the cost of the build. I know, I know, sounds crazy.

If this thing costs more than their PS3 does, they better bring a super duper awesome lineup of games out of the gate, period. Otherwise, it'll be competing with the Go.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 5504601]Three scenarios... the little beasty is actually going to cost a lot because it cost a lot to build, or it's going to cost a lot and Sony are going to sell it with a substantial profit margin on each system. The other scenario is Sony giving us an extremely competitive price out of the gate, regardless of the cost of the build. I know, I know, sounds crazy.

If this thing costs more than their PS3 does, they better bring a super duper awesome lineup of games out of the gate, period. Otherwise, it'll be competing with the Go.[/QUOTE]

That is what the normally do. Iirc, I don't think any playstation has been sold at a profit during launch. Not even the PS1.
 
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Well, Jacko did state they wanted the NGP to be affordable, but make a profit upon release.. so, can those two things go hand in hand? We'll see I guess. I guarantee, no matter the price, they better have some kick *** games to launch with this thing.
 

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I kinda felt the NGP would be expensive ...because of that 5 inch OLED screen. Sony has an 9 inch OLED on the market that is 2500.00. It all comes down to how much Sony is willing to take a loss on the NGP to get it into the hands of consumers. A 349.99-400.00 handheld would be expensive to most consumers when you factor in peripherals and games at the time of purchase. When ever a new console hits the market i like to start off with at least 3-4 games that will put the unit out of my budget.
 

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The most i'm willing to pay for it is £300 with a game at launch and even then at that price it's a little too much. Go careful, Sony. I already paid £425 for the PS3 and £250 for the massively overpriced Go.
If the price point isn't right i'm not going to be an early adopter again.
 

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I'm ready to pay 399$ for it, more than that ? not sure...

But i see Sony pricing this bad boy 399$, Wifi model. 3G will definitly be more expensive.

Funny, people are ready to pay 500$ ++ for an ipad, iphone, smartphones... but 399$ for a powerful portable system with great features is too much ?

Hey after all, the NGP will be a beast, it has many great features and games look like it'll be a blast ! COD online on the go ? High quality touch interface ? big screen ? dual joysticks.... why not !?! Just bring it !
 

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[QUOTE="ddPLaNeT, post: 5504992]I'm ready to pay 399$ for it, more than that ? not sure...

But i see Sony pricing this bad boy 399$, Wifi model. 3G will definitly be more expensive.

Funny, people are ready to pay 500$ ++ for an ipad, iphone, smartphones... but 399$ for a powerful portable system with great features is too much ?

Hey after all, the NGP will be a beast, it has many great features and games look like it'll be a blast ! COD online on the go ? High quality touch interface ? big screen ? dual joysticks.... why not !?! Just bring it ![/QUOTE]
I don't mind spending that much on a phone because the amount i use my phone means i get my moneys worth out of it, it goes everywhere with me and is never out of my pocket unless it's charging.
 

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249 GBP is the maximum I can think they can get away with - and that is with a bundled storage/memory card as well. I really think anything above that and we really are getting into the 'too expensive territory'.
 
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[QUOTE="squirrelbo1, post: 5505117]i really cant see it being cheap. look at the ****ing tech in it.[/QUOTE]
Ok, people keep saying this... what tech? Explain the tech please.
 

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If this thing comes out at the price of a PS3 or more, then I'll be waiting a long time until a price drop happens. No way in hell I'm gonna drop 300 on a handheld device of any kind.
 
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[QUOTE="Acid Snake, post: 5505607]If this thing comes out at the price of a PS3 or more, then I'll be waiting a long time until a price drop happens. No way in hell I'm gonna drop 300 on a handheld device of any kind.[/QUOTE]
The only reason I'd get one at launch at such a high price would be the fact that earlier revisions are usually easier to hack.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 5505216]Ok, people keep saying this... what tech? Explain the tech please.[/QUOTE]

GPU, CPU, memory, OLED screen, gyroscopes, touch screen, motion pad.

Primarily the first 4. It's hardware is very, very powerful and is fairly cutting edge.
 

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[QUOTE="Vulgotha, post: 5505805]GPU, CPU, memory, OLED screen, gyroscopes, touch screen, motion pad.

Primarily the first 4. It's hardware is very, very powerful and is fairly cutting edge.[/QUOTE]

It is also going to be the first device to have both a quad core CPU and a quad core GPU of those specification. The + on the end of the specs indicate unique sony based additions so we still don't have the full picture of what they put in the device. The only thing that would stop this device from being a beast is if they short in on ram. I sure hope they don't.
 

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$250, I'll get it within a few months. Anything up to $300 I will probably be able to talk myself into buying it. If the NGP is anything over $300 though, I'll have to pass on it for a while. I don't have that kind of money to spare with college.
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[QUOTE="Vulgotha, post: 5505805]GPU, CPU, memory, OLED screen, gyroscopes, touch screen, motion pad.

Primarily the first 4. It's hardware is very, very powerful and is fairly cutting edge.[/QUOTE]
That stuff isn't cutting edge... smh

Let's break it down:

OLED screen - zune hd had one two years ago
gyrscopes - what handheld device doesn't have those these days? My phone has 'em.
touch screen? Yeah, cutting edge....
memory? What about it? What do we know about it?
motion pad? gimmick until otherwise proven.

So, hardly the cutting edge of tech... the gpu/cpu was known as far back as gdc 2009... two year old tech already.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 5505863]

So, hardly the cutting edge of tech... the gpu/cpu was known as far back as gdc 2009... two year old tech already.[/QUOTE]

I am sure you heard of quantum computing as well. When it is actually released on market, then it will be cutting edge. Hearing about future tech before it hits market doesn't make it "old".

Why are you trying so hard btw?
 
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I'm not trying at all, you're making it pretty easy actually. I explained why I didn't think those "specs" warrant "cutting edge". If you'd like to participate in that discussion, I'd love to hear how you feel they are.
 

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I already did. Those chips have not made it to the market.

There is no mobile device that has a quad core arm cpu much less a combo of a quad core cpu and quad core gpu. That makes it cutting edge.
 
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The NGP isn't even out yet... so, by the time it actually releases, we'll talk cutting edge and what does or doesn't use the component. Right now, I'll concede it has a cutting edge CPU. That itself doesn't justify a price higher than a freakin' console.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 5505984]The NGP isn't even out yet... so, by the time it actually releases, we'll talk cutting edge and what does or doesn't use the component. Right now, I'll concede it has a cutting edge CPU. That itself doesn't justify a price higher than a freakin' console.[/QUOTE]

Ok, but we don't know the price of the console yet either, so that point is moot. But let us take it back to what "normally" happens on the market, since you had no problem talking about the Zune HD when referring to consoles, you must understand how this takes apart your arguement. There have been mobile devices released in the past few years that are ALL more expensive than home consoles and are not even a "fraction" of the specs that the NGP had. My phone the HD2 unlocked and out of contract was between $500-$600 brand new. It certainly wasn't more powerful than any console. Same thing goes when talking about the Ipads upon release and the latest prices of most smartphones outside of contracts.

To look at the NGP which boast specs that many devices aren't even planning to ship with this year and to say that it doesn't warrant costing more than a console, is just being plain ignorant about prices of mobile devices for quite some time.

If you are going to use those same devices in an example of how the NGP is "not" cutting edge, then you can use those device in an example of how much the NGP should cost, which is.... rather expensive unless you are able to get a contract through a mobile service, which would still cost you alot in the long run anyways.
 
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If the price is a reasonable £249.99 for none 3G and £279.99 for 3g then I may bite, but anymore then that and there laughing, too expensive for today's current economic climate.
Yes i just finished eatting a dictionary FYI
Tasted like bacon mhmm
 
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Look. I simply used the other devices to show that the NGP isn't full of cutting edge tech according to the list that was provided. Not once did I say anything about those prices of the other devices. smh
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 5506007]Look. I simply used the other devices to show that the NGP isn't full of cutting edge tech according to the list that was provided. Not once did I say anything about those prices of the other devices. smh[/QUOTE]

That is my point. If you are so versed in the tech specifications and are willing to use them in comparison to the NGP, then make the same effort over the price of these devices as well. You are implying some sort of point of comparison, then stick to it. Smh indeed.
 
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In comparison to show that they are not cutting edge tech. Yes. I don't know the actual costs of all those products, but I'll research as many as I can to get some numbers. If someone is to say that the price at $x amount of dollars is justified because it's "cutting edge", I'd have to disagree; and I have. Now, if the actual components COST that much, then the price is justified if Sony doesn't want to take a loss. Nowhere have I said that the cost of the NGP wouldn't be warranted at any amount. I simply disagree with the price being inflated due to "cutting edge" tech, which it is NOT.
 

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Meh, I think you're stretching pretty far with this one fear.

The NGP qualifies as "cutting edge" for a hand held. Or, to put it differently, it would be a far more difficult argument to maintain it isn't than it is. Static is correct, the nature of the hardware inside that little device hasn't been seen in any comparable device.

Certainly not the 3DS, iTouch\iPhone. At least not yet, nor will it be matched when it releases in the coming months. Exceedingly unlikely to happen.

Arguing that something is "a gimmick" means pretty much next to nothing when the discussion at hand is over the definition of cutting edge. You can think its gimmicky until proven otherwise all you want, the fact is its an interesting design which appears fairly sensitive and its implemented in a very small space.

By itself, not "insanely amazing" but when combined with everything else..

I don't think you appreciate how nice the screen is either, with an OLED 960 × 544 pixels @ 220 ppi , that's nothing to scoff at for a portable.


Another misconception seemingly at play here is that you presume that since a particular piece of silicon was announced a bit back its "outdated". By what metric? Compared to other developmental hardware that hasn't hit shelves yet (that has begun after that announcement, etc)? Sure.

Compared to what's already on the market? No, certainly not.

However, by the time the NGP releases there may be other devices sporting that GPU (albeit scaled down) or similar, with a more advanced version announced to be in the pipeline. This is what people mean when they say that the moment they buy a PC its already outdated. Technological progress is unrelenting and fast paced.

Regardless, it remains cutting edge within the embedded mobile hardware market. Arguably so for some time.
 
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