Multiple PS3 Sync feature

P51-SN95

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Someone asking about idea's for BR players (and I suggested the PS3) asked me if there was any way to "Sync" two PS3's together, so that if he was Playing one of them, and then the wife went to watch a movie on it, if he could have it so the second PS3 automatically updated all of his game save info so he could just "log on" to the Second PS3 and have all of his stuff up to date.

I Told him there is no such way (that I am aware of) But then it got me thinking, might this be something that *Could* be possible via the new rumored PSN "paid" service? I remember reading that one of the possiblities of it would be that it'd back up your files and your system off site via a server or what not, so if you ever had any problems, you wouldn't have to worry about losing your stuff. Well Couldn't that same system be used to "backup" your data from one of your PS3's to a second PS3??? Maybe just like by doing a "sync" feature like we do with trophies??

I mean I know I'd be interested in that, I don't have a second PS3 right now, but if I knew I could do that, I'd probably be buying a second PS3 pretty darn quick.

I know they said either the last Firmware update (or the one coming) supports a transfer feature that allows you to transfer EVERYTHING from an OLD PS3 to a New one, including the copy protected files/saves, but I'm pretty sure that it then deletes everything off of the old PS3 when done.

Would anyone else be interested in a feature like that??? :confused:
 

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[QUOTE="P51-SN95, post: 0]Someone asking about idea's for BR players (and I suggested the PS3) asked me if there was any way to "Sync" two PS3's together, so that if he was Playing one of them, and then the wife went to watch a movie on it, if he could have it so the second PS3 automatically updated all of his game save info so he could just "log on" to the Second PS3 and have all of his stuff up to date.

I Told him there is no such way (that I am aware of) But then it got me thinking, might this be something that *Could* be possible via the new rumored PSN "paid" service? I remember reading that one of the possiblities of it would be that it'd back up your files and your system off site via a server or what not, so if you ever had any problems, you wouldn't have to worry about losing your stuff. Well Couldn't that same system be used to "backup" your data from one of your PS3's to a second PS3??? Maybe just like by doing a "sync" feature like we do with trophies??

I mean I know I'd be interested in that, I don't have a second PS3 right now, but if I knew I could do that, I'd probably be buying a second PS3 pretty darn quick.

I know they said either the last Firmware update (or the one coming) supports a transfer feature that allows you to transfer EVERYTHING from an OLD PS3 to a New one, including the copy protected files/saves, but I'm pretty sure that it then deletes everything off of the old PS3 when done.

Would anyone else be interested in a feature like that??? :confused:[/quote]

yeah i've been waiting for that feature for the longest, being able to save your stuff on servers and accessing them from any ps3, that includes your game saves and dl'd games/demos.
 
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[QUOTE="P51-SN95, post: 0]Would anyone else be interested in a feature like that??? *:confused:[/quote]
Not really. It's one thing to have your PS3 write to a PC somewhere out on the web, but it's quite another to have a PC somewhere out on the web overwrite stuff on your PS3.



If it is possible over the web then the only reason it shouldn't be possible over a local network or USB key would be Sony not wanting us to have it for free. It's our data, remote storage is one thing but we shouldn't have to pay extra just to move it about.
 

XSpike

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All the guy needs is a USB drive to copy his game saves over when switching PS3's, you'll still get trophys and all.

Simple as pie
 

P51-SN95

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[QUOTE="XSpike, post: 0]All the guy needs is a USB drive to copy his game saves over when switching PS3's, you'll still get trophys and all.

Simple as pie[/quote]

not all game saves/data can be copied

and yeah he knows this, but was looking for an automatic solution so you didn't have to do this every time ;)
 
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This is something I would like, I have 2x PS3's so when the main TV is being used I can retreat to my study and keep gaming .. carrying a USB drive backwards and forwards is a bit of a pain .. would be nice to have some "sync" feature.
 
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agam3er

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[QUOTE="P51-SN95, post: 0]not all game saves/data can be copied[/quote]
Perhaps the PS3's design could be improved by having a single storage device which could be easily moved between multiple consoles. Say, perhaps, a hard drive which just clips onto the side... ;)
 

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[QUOTE="Mimming, post: 0]I dont understand this.
Why doesnt he just use his own PS3 and she can use hers?[/quote]
Probably has a big screen on one and not the other, ie, he'd use it when he could, but if she wanted TV/movie time it would go to that task.
 
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[QUOTE="agam3er, post: 0]Perhaps the PS3's design could be improved by having a single storage device which could be easily moved between multiple consoles. Say, perhaps, a hard drive which just clips onto the side... ;)[/quote] What's the point? If the HDD is not formatted with the ID of the PS3 you're putting into, you'll be asked to format the HDD--before you ask "change this behaviour", think about it from Sony's perspective: If they allowed you to freely attach HDD's without formatting them, how can they prevent downloaded software from piracy? I.e. I can just use Norton Ghost to clone a HDD, and then put it in a friend's PS3, and then the my friend's PS3 would now also have the games I "bought", when he didn't need to pay for it.

Yes, I know this can be done already by "game sharing", but game sharing is limited to maximum of 5 people... far better than this loophole.
[QUOTE="YoungMullah88, post: 0]yeah i've been waiting for that feature for the longest, being able to save your stuff on servers and accessing them from any ps3, that includes your game saves and dl'd games/demos.[/quote] What the heck? What's the point of this, other than having to download gigabytes worth of data EVERY TIME you try to run your game/demo?!

Somebody use their brains, please :confused:?
 
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agam3er

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[QUOTE="The_One, post: 0]What's the point?[/quote]
No point, I was joking that the competition can already do this just by unclipping the hard drive and plugging it into a different console, no formatting required. Perhaps worth considering when extolling the virtues of the PS3's different approach to hard drive upgrade/swapping. I even included a winky smiley so you wouldn't take it too seriously*:dunce
 

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[QUOTE="P51-SN95, post: 0]not all game saves/data can be copied

and yeah he knows this, but was looking for an automatic solution so you didn't have to do this every time ;)[/quote]

He'd be in the same boat with a system that 'auto sync'd' game saves between systems. The protected ones would not be sync'd to another system. Sony will not circumvent the authors right (be it Sony granted right) to copy protect it's game saves. Else these would be backed up w/ the backup utility.

All that said, I would seriously doubt that Sony would bother with this for the following reasons: Multi-system owners are few and far between (i.e. small target audience), It's easy to simply use a flash drive to copy the save data files as mentioned.

TAZ427
 

P51-SN95

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What the heck? What's the point of this, other than having to download gigabytes worth of data EVERY TIME you try to run your game/demo?!

Somebody use their brains, please :confused:?[/quote]

Ehh not really, if everything was saved to a server or off site location. all you'd have to do is "log in" to your the PS3 under your PSN name and then you'd have everything. Just like here. no matter the computer I use, I log in and I have all my saved PM's or if I use Hotmail, it doesn't matter what computer I log in to, I still have all my e-mails and folders and saved data. Photobucket is the same way, Log in and there is all your data.

That's just one way of doing it. I really don't See the issue. I mean as of right now you can only share with 5 systems anyway. make it so it keeps track of how many systems you log in to. That way you can't just go around giving out your user name/password to all your friends to get purchased content out there. Not only that, now they have it so when you buy stuff off the PSN copy protected content can be used on multiple systems, you just have to activate/deactivate the one you want to use. So they already have the system in place. Heck you could even expand this to the PSP, being able to download a movie for your PS3, and then when traveling just deactivate the PS3, activate the PSP and if you're in a wifi area you have access to all your movies. This is stuff they've talked about doing before.

And like I said it all comes back to this would cost $$$ so you need to pay for the off site server space some how. If this was apart of the Monthly PSN fee, I'd strongly consider it. Is it for everyone though? no of course not. But I think there are enough people out there who would do it to make it worth while for sony. Even especially after all these years, the PS3 is still considered one of the Best BR players on the market. Heck IGN even named it the best BR player on the show floor at CES this year. :cool:

[QUOTE="TAZ427, post: 0]He'd be in the same boat with a system that 'auto sync'd' game saves between systems. The protected ones would not be sync'd to another system. Sony will not circumvent the authors right (be it Sony granted right) to copy protect it's game saves. Else these would be backed up w/ the backup utility.

TAZ427[/quote]

But they ARE backed up with the Backup utility. as long as you use the same system. When I backed up my 60gb HDD to swap out for my 250gb and did my restore, I got all my data back, even the copy protected stuff.

So this would probably most definately only work then if the data was saved to your username, not your System it's self.
 

P51-SN95

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Heck maybe you make it really simple and cost effective, instead of having your entire HDD stored off site, perhaps its just your game/save data that gets saved on-line and tied to your PSN name. That way you'd still get all your saves so you throw in a game and you can pick up right where you left off, but all your pictures/videos/music saved to the HDD doesn't get transferred. (that you could do periodically via jumpdrive if you wanted)

This way each user only requires a couple of GB each, instead of 120-250gb each.
 

Sicarius123

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The whole point of a copy protected save game isn't to stop you sharing it with your friends, it's to stop you getting it on your PC and trying to hack it/cheat.

I really don't see a problem with being able to copy them to another playstation, the new transfer feature lets you MOVE them to another playstation, why can't they just let you copy it all? Why do Sony presume people buying Slim's would be getting rid of their old model and not putting it in another room of the house to extend the media capabilities of their household? I'd much rather have my saves in two rooms than have tow completely seperate PS3's.
 

TAZ427

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[QUOTE="P51-SN95, post: 0]
But they ARE backed up with the Backup utility. as long as you use the same system. When I backed up my 60gb HDD to swap out for my 250gb and did my restore, I got all my data back, even the copy protected stuff.[/quote]

When restoring a Full Backup, to the same system, it will restore copy protected games. And that's not a violation of copy protection as it's restoring information to the same PS3.

So this would probably most definately only work then if the data was saved to your username, not your System it's self.
No 'probably most definately' about it. Putting it on another PS3 breaks the copy protection rules implemented by Sony and the Full Back and Restore to a new machine will NOT restore copy protected game saves. And doing as you propose would be a violation of the copy protection that Sony is providing to it's game vendors.

TAZ427

PS: I do truly like the idea, I just don't see it becoming reality do to lack of user base. And I don't see them doing it with copy protected game saves due to the way they've implemented copy protection currently and expectations from game vendors.
 
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[QUOTE="P51-SN95, post: 0]Ehh not really, if everything was saved to a server or off site location. all you'd have to do is "log in" to your the PS3 under your PSN name and then you'd have everything. Just like here. no matter the computer I use, I log in and I have all my saved PM's or if I use Hotmail, it doesn't matter what computer I log in to, I still have all my e-mails and folders and saved data. Photobucket is the same way, Log in and there is all your data.
[/quote] Uh, do you know the difference between a 1 or 2GB Demo/Game and a few Text-based Private Messages or 300KB picture on Photobucket? You think somehow the data just teleports onto your computer? Of course not, your computer downloads it from the server via your Internet connection, which has a speed limit.

If the "game" was saved/installed on the server, then you'll need a super fast connection to be able to stream everything on the fly for loading ONTO your PS3 from the server... And again, you'd need to use up gigabytes worth of bandwidth every time you want to play a game/demo.
 

P51-SN95

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[QUOTE="TAZ427, post: 0]When restoring a Full Backup, to the same system, it will restore copy protected games. And that's not a violation of copy protection as it's restoring information to the same PS3.

No 'probably most definately' about it. Putting it on another PS3 breaks the copy protection rules implemented by Sony and the Full Back and Restore to a new machine will NOT restore copy protected game saves. And doing as you propose would be a violation of the copy protection that Sony is providing to it's game vendors.

TAZ427

PS: I do truly like the idea, I just don't see it becoming reality do to lack of user base. And I don't see them doing it with copy protected game saves due to the way they've implemented copy protection currently and expectations from game vendors.[/quote]

See I understand that, but I think you miss what I'm saying for that. When you play, the content wouldn't ever get saved to the machine you're playing on. So instead of the copy protection being tied to your machine, it's tied to your user name. I guess it all comes down to how the copy protection rules are written, and if they'd be willing to amend them to allow this if need be ;)

But at the same time. right now sony already has a work around for this very issue for copy protected content from the PSN. Allowing you to transfer movies from the PS3 to the PSP and vise versa with the Activate/Deactivate system option. Make it so you have to register the PS3 serial number to your PSN name, and you get "X" amount of systems to register to your name. And when you are logged in to that system, the data is invalid on all the other systems. I don't know.There has to be an acceptable way. I guess I don't see the problem If it's registered to your user name, and your user name can only be used on one system at a time and then the data never gets physically saved to that system (possibly) then that data never really left your control, and it's stored on their server, you never have the file to save on multiple machines, just access to view it????

again I don't know but I'm sure there is away to do it and make the copy protection people happy.

And Perhaps there isn't a "big market" for this, but I think there is enough of one. How much storage space does each person need? I don't know, again it depends on if you offer space for the entire HDD or just enough to cover the game save data. How much space does Hotmail and e-mail sites offer customers for free? 5gb, 10gb??

Anyway I think Sony is looking at offering virtual HDD back up via server or how ever they'd do that as apart of that possible new PSN pay tier that is rumored. (pretty sure that was one of the rumored features) so if that is in fact true. How much harder would it be to let you access your data (even if it's just game save data) on multiple machines via username/password? And then This is a Pay service so if you don't want it you don't need it and those that do, can use it and the monthly/yearly PSN pay tier would probably cover the costs for it (because not everyone who pays for that would use this service, assuming they go through with that pay service)



[QUOTE="The_One, post: 0]Uh, do you know the difference between a 1 or 2GB Demo/Game and a few Text-based Private Messages or 300KB picture on Photobucket? You think somehow the data just teleports onto your computer? Of course not, your computer downloads it from the server via your Internet connection, which has a speed limit.

If the "game" was saved/installed on the server, then you'll need a super fast connection to be able to stream everything on the fly for loading ONTO your PS3 from the server... And again, you'd need to use up gigabytes worth of bandwidth every time you want to play a game/demo.[/quote]
Yes and that would be the issue to work out. But I'm not saying you'd be playing the game from the server, you'd still need the actual game disc, in the system that you want to play. First thing is depending on how you set it up, the system only has to update what is new from the last time you turned it on and used it. So by that sense, only the first time you do this would it take a while. (assuming you switch back and forth quite a bit) But this would be if you created a Mirror of your HDD and had EVERYTHING the same between the two, games, pictures, videos, Music.

But if you kept it just game/Save data, then the files would be pretty small and it shouldn't take long at all as those files aren't that large. Or you set it up so that it only transfers stuff over as you try to access it. That way you aren't sitting there waiting for all 120gb to transfer/update, but only the small amout of what you are trying to access then. i don't know. I'm just saying I'm sure there are ways to make it work.

The PS3 right now can search for media servers and you can access your pictures, movies, and music from your PC. That doesn't take much time at all, so if you have two PS3's set up on the same network, why not let them share their data back and forth? Again you'd have to work out things with copy protection doing it this way.

Like I'm saying there are different way to handle this, and I don't think it would be that hard to do.
 
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The PS3 right now can search for media servers and you can access your pictures, movies, and music from your PC. That doesn't take much time at all, so if you have two PS3's set up on the same network, why not let them share their data back and forth? Again you'd have to work out things with copy protection doing it this way.
That's what I'd like.
 
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While your original question on this thread sounds logical, it's not to Sony being so paranoid of control. If you asked this question 3 years ago when PS3 came out, the answer would be more of yes being able to share your saved game progress to all your PS3 using an USB flash storage.

Since last year especially games that came out later last year, more and more games have the saved game file locked as copy prohibited. Same as PSN store movie downloads. They are all locked to one PS3 console.

To Sony, they love us to buy many PS3 consoles but to Sony, they don't trust us and don't care if many (soon most) of our game progress and (all) movies we bought from PSN store are stuck to one PS3 console. Sony gone as far as locking the PSN account to one PS3 console for movie download (free and own). If you want to be able to download different movies on another PS3 console, you have to create a different PSN account to do it. If you like to buy movies from PSN store, you have to pre-load each PSN account with funds. I don't know any other movie download company has gone this extreme.

PS3 is beginning to become a very useful and multi purpose entertainment system and yet with more and more data are locked to one PS3 console, it defeats the usefulness if you own multiple PS3 consoles. In today's world where data can be shared everywhere, PS3 is moving in opposite direction by making the data non-sharable.

If you are the type of person who likes to buy download movies from PSN store, in a few years when you buy a new PS3 console, your entire movie library you bought from PSN store will not be accessable on your new PS3 console and Sony will be happy to sell you the movies you already bought again.