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Hippo

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[QUOTE="jasonbay, post: 0]wow i never realized NY was that over the threshold.[/QUOTE]

The Knicks have several of the most overpaid players in the NBA...namely, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Kelvin Cato, and Malik Rose.
 
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Cause...

1. His surgery on his leg is the same surgery many other past players have had that eventually greatly reduced their careers in the NBA. Basically, that surgery made him a lot older than his actual age.

2. Before Nash Amare was only an average PF. Though he had an incredible upside, Nash has made him into what he is today. Without Nash the Suns and Amare aren't a playoff team.

3. Garnett > Amare...simple as that. Suns need to win now, Nash only has a few more solid years left.
Well what player is anything without Nash? Seriously he is somebody that makes other people big time. Now that amare has played with Nash and has been in the run for a championship a few times i think he will be a Hall of Famer even when Nash leaves.

Also i would rather have amare on my team than garnett any day. :) One player palys for the heart of the team and the other just wants to be paid to play on a winning team. If the team sucks garnet sucks, thats why he is leaving. He has no potential to make a crappy team any better, only a good championship contending team. Thats why i think it will be marion for garnet, because he wont do well on the lakers especially with kobe.

The way i see it at this point, garnet is gone he is going to one team or the other. Its now up to what other teams will give up, i say it ends up the suns give up marion recieve a draft pick and gather garnet, and it will be a 3 or 4 team trade.
 

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[QUOTE="soldier one, post: 0]Well what player is anything without Nash? Seriously he is somebody that makes other people big time. Now that amare has played with Nash and has been in the run for a championship a few times i think he will be a Hall of Famer even when Nash leaves.
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Not on pace with his current stats no...and how can you be a Hall of Famer if you HAVE to have a PG to make you good? Amare can't create his own shot and he can't shoot...without Nash feeding him the ball off a pick and roll he doesn't have much of a game. They just don't dish out Hall of Fame inductions to players that are good. So far Amare hasn't done anything to warrant future Hall of Fame talks. Furthermore, with his past injury he won't be in the NBA long enough to even be considered. Look at the other players with that same injury, none of them last that long.
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Also i would rather have amare on my team than garnett any day. :) One player palys for the heart of the team and the other just wants to be paid to play on a winning team. If the team sucks garnet sucks, thats why he is leaving. He has no potential to make a crappy team any better, only a good championship contending team. Thats why i think it will be marion for garnet, because he wont do well on the lakers especially with kobe.
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Garnett has played on the Wolves forever now, and they've only been good one season. How in the world did he suddenly just now have to be on a good...he hasn't been on one yet...and yet he still plays. Garnett hasn't made any trade demands, the public just thinks he deserves better. Either way, Amare isn't the heart of the Suns...they got just as far without him two years ago than they did with him this year...what does that tell you?
 
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Garnett has played on the Wolves forever now, and they've only been good one season. How in the world did he suddenly just now have to be on a good...he hasn't been on one yet...and yet he still plays. Garnett hasn't made any trade demands, the public just thinks he deserves better. Either way, Amare isn't the heart of the Suns...they got just as far without him two years ago than they did with him this year...what does that tell you?
We strugled that season and making the playoffs was a miracle, then he comes back and we are the best team in the league. As for garnet he suddenly decided he wants to win just like kobe does it or any other "star" player does it. They want to win they dont want to lose, and he has been with them so long and they still are not doing well. That alone says something. I mean nash comes to the suns and the very next season we are almost in the finals. With that injury sure he may not last long time, but garnet has been here for how many years now? eEither you get a guy thats young and still has some potential or a guy thats older and is at his max. I think amare is capable of more just the suns like to run fast paced games which lead to pick and rolls, i mean its not always amare half the time its marion. Nash and barbosa are the only ones that take outside shots.

I agree with your points dont get me wrong just being a suns fan i dont see a amare for garnet trade fair, hell if amare went for garnet i could see them beating us next year in the playoffs.
 

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video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p0-9osVWLpc

audio
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5atLu9bww8g

that video was straight ass....so that's what BSPN and all these fukers alike are trying to make a big deal out of? :no

the only thing he said in that video was "fu*kin ship his ass out!" and i dont know why these idiots are trying to blur their faces for, i think Kobe knew he was being taped; its not like they had a discreet camera or anything like that. the way it was filmed, it didnt look like they were trying to hide anything

guess their 15 minutes of fame is over; better luck next time and here's the pic of the guys trying to cover their faces :no

 
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here's 1 of latest rumors

Celts get: Ray Allen

Supersonics: Wally ( whatever his name is)
Delonte West
5th pick

This trade went through and Sonics tooks Jeff Green with the pick and pax has let me down Noah is such trash.

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tons of trades and I cant even keep up ...lol but here's another that's involves alot of salary...

Knicks get: Zach Randolph , Dan Dickau , Fred Jones

Blazers get: Steve Fracis , Channing Frye
 
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Bobcats: Jason Richardson , Jemareo Davidson

Warriors: Brandan Wright

Also Pax got outta my doghouse slightly by drafting Aaron Gray but he's not going to do much as a pro and then drafting Jameon Curry who im too fond of after last years game between Ok St/Pitt
 

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[QUOTE="soldier one, post: 0]Suns made a couple deals with the trailblazers, i beleive their first round pick rights went to them and then they traded another pick. I dont know who they got though.[/quote]
They probably traded them for cash. I liked the draft this year for the Rockets, I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't draft a powerfoward, but I liked their first pick(He was a point guard from...Oregon st.*)


*I think, correct me if I'm wrong
 

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[QUOTE="UndecideD, post: 0]The Knicks got away with murder(trade favored them) wow that was a great trade for them. Why in the world did the rockets get another guard ! when they needed a power foward...[/quote]


I completely disagree 100%. Both teams got what they wanted, but believe outright that Portland got the bargain.

Look at what they accomplished in the past 2 years.
Getting rid of nothing but of court problem players and rebuilding their squad with great young talent..(Can we say the Bulls, or The Baby Blazers?)

Getting rid of Zach Randolph means 3 things.
1) Get rid of 1 of the 2 last remaining problems.
2) Get a young star in Channing Frye
3) By getting Steve Francis (Which they bought out), they will be under the cap, meaning ability to sign major free agents when the time comes.

Now if they get rid of Darius Miles, than The Blazers have rebuilt their image and rebuilt a Franchise.

The Blazers hated the fact that everyone in the league and media were making fun of their image, and now they have turned all that around in 2 years time. I expect this team to be in the Playoffs in 2 years, and be a championship contending team in 3-4 years.
 

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I like the deals Portland made, ALTHOUGH, so far Frye hasn't become the player he's supposed to be and Franchise Killer is an aging money pit.

However, I like how they are trying to clean up the team's image...definitly a great step in the right direction.

Seriously, what are the Boston Celtics doing...attemping to further tarnish their respectable franchise? Ray Allen, hes rapidly becoming a no show in the NBA. Seattle gets a seriously good point guard (and Durrant lol) and the Celtics get a player who probably wants to make movies more than he does shoot threes.

Oh, and the Lakers lol, man, if I was Kobe I'd just quit...seriously dude, you got Javaris Crittenton...yeah, exactly, who?
 

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Seriously, what are the Boston Celtics doing...attemping to further tarnish their respectable franchise? Ray Allen, hes rapidly becoming a no show in the NBA. Seattle gets a seriously good point guard (and Durrant lol) and the Celtics get a player who probably wants to make movies more than he does shoot threes.

Oh, and the Lakers lol, man, if I was Kobe I'd just quit...seriously dude, you got Javaris Crittenton...yeah, exactly, who?
Agreed. When I saw that deal with the Celtics I could not believe it. Can you say Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker all over again? They still kept Al Jefferson, a plus, but how many times will he see the ball down the post?

Dude Lakers man, could not believe they drafted Sun Yue....I mean OMYG!!! Sun Yue People....we are talking Cham....pion....ship.:rolleyes:

But the problem with the Lakers is, not to give in and give other teams chance to pick at their roster. So no, Jermain O'Neal and Kobe without Lamar won't be a championship team. Garnett deal will never happen, so I suggest going after Pau Gasol. Give up Bynum, Kwame, and cap filler for Gasol. That way you can still keep Lamar with Kobe, and You get a strong inside scoring presence.
 
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After the draft which Mitch Kupcake ruined by getting another pg there is no more hope for the lakers

The only thing they can do is get robbed by the Pacers for an overpaid not that great player
 

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[QUOTE="UnReaL, post: 0]I completely disagree 100%. Both teams got what they wanted, but believe outright that Portland got the bargain.

Look at what they accomplished in the past 2 years.
Getting rid of nothing but of court problem players and rebuilding their squad with great young talent..(Can we say the Bulls, or The Baby Blazers?)

Getting rid of Zach Randolph means 3 things.
1) Get rid of 1 of the 2 last remaining problems.
2) Get a young star in Channing Frye
3) By getting Steve Francis (Which they bought out), they will be under the cap, meaning ability to sign major free agents when the time comes.

Now if they get rid of Darius Miles, than The Blazers have rebuilt their image and rebuilt a Franchise.

The Blazers hated the fact that everyone in the league and media were making fun of their image, and now they have turned all that around in 2 years time. I expect this team to be in the Playoffs in 2 years, and be a championship contending team in 3-4 years.[/quote]
we are looking at it diffrent ways

Knicks get: ---Zach Randolph- He averaged 20+ points and 10 rebounds
---Dan Dickau who averaged 12+ points, 2 years ago with the hornets. where he played 70+ games
---Fred Jones theres not much you can really say about fred jones other than he is most known for being a slam dunk champion.

Portland gets ---Steve Francis, After his last couple of seasons with orlando and the New york Knicks I no longer consider him a great player, like he once was. In my eyes he needs to reprove(if you understand me) himself(his talent, that he can...still play)
---Channing Frye, He is a good player who is still young and will eventually get even better.

Now what I do understand is Portland getting rid of Zach Randolph, so Greg Oden can "have the team" , but wouldn't it be great if they would both start? I think that Oden at center and Randolph at Powerfoward could have been great.

Also who else thinks it was a mistake to draft Noah so early in the draft, I mean he is so overrated imo.

Just my opinion.
 

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[QUOTE="fattyinthewind, post: 0]After the draft which Mitch Kupcake ruined by getting another pg there is no more hope for the lakers

The only thing they can do is get robbed by the Pacers for an overpaid not that great player[/QUOTE]

So true, O'Neal will get injured for half the season anyways.

Seriously though, Ray Allen is just like Walker...who can shoot better three-pointers but hasn't made a rebound in 5 years.
 
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[QUOTE="UndecideD, post: 0]

Also who else thinks it was a mistake to draft Noah so early in the draft, I mean he is so overrated imo.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I hate the Bulls for at least a couple more days for this decision...Also how bout Chris Richard getting drafted before Taurean Green, Chris Richard didnt even have a draft profile on NBA.com's draft section..lol , so was there any early entry's that didnt get drafted ?
 

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[QUOTE="Hippo, post: 0]So true, O'Neal will get injured for half the season anyways.

Seriously though, Ray Allen is just like Walker...who can shoot better three-pointers but hasn't made a rebound in 5 years.[/quote]
Walker had a huge rebound game last season, I think. Also you cannot compare a big time scorer and a huge clutch player(when healthy) to Walker who hits occasional threes.
 

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[QUOTE="UndecideD, post: 0]Now what I do understand is Portland getting rid of Zach Randolph, so Greg Oden can "have the team" , but wouldn't it be great if they would both start? I think that Oden at center and Randolph at Powerfoward could have been great.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, would you want the future of your franchise to be mentored by Randolph...

I think the Blazers should just drop Miles while they're at it, give him his money, he'll blow it on strippers and alcohol anyways.
 

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Realistic and pretty deep line up for the lakers.

PG: Hill, Javaris, Farmar
SG: Kobe, Evans, Sasha
SF: Walton, Radmonovic, Kapono
PF: Lamar, Ronny, Cook
C: Mihm, Bynum, Kwame

I think the Lakers can get atleast fourth place in the western conference with that lineup as long as they do not get injured. They were third in the conference before the injuries. Plus there is no Smush next season. :lol:
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]Realistic and pretty deep line up for the lakers.

PG: Hill, Javaris, Farmar
SG: Kobe, Evans, Sasha
SG: Walton, Radmonovic, Kapono
PF: Lamar, Ronny, Cook
C: Mihm, Bynum, Kwame

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You're joking right?

One, Hill can't play the point...lol, no way in hell can he be a point guard.

And we all know the powerhouse that Mihm is...nothing says powerhouse like a tall, slow white dude.
 

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Realistic and pretty deep line up for the lakers.

PG: MLE, Javaris, Farmar
Reasoning: Hill might sign for the veterans minimum with the MLE. Hill is just a placeholder for now and I see a lot of teams buying out their veteran PG. The reason I said Hill was because the Triangle does not need a traditional PG per say. He is just a possibility. Farmar played pretty well in the play offs for a rookier. Javaris has 4 years of triangle experience so he should blend very nicely.

SG: Kobe, Evans, Sasha
Reasoning: Kobe is most likely going to play most of the minutes and Mo Evans is a pretty good shooter but is streaky at times. Sasha is Sasha. Only if he could play like he does when he is practicing. He is like the best shooter on the team.

SF: Walton, Radmonovic, Kapono
Reasoning: This is probably the best three point SF position in the NBA. Radman should have a better season. He was hurt for most of it and had an impact on his shooting. Walton too was pretty good at the three point line before the injury. Jason Kapono as we all know was the best three point shooter last season. He made 51.4% from the three point line and 49.4% overall FG%.

PF: Lamar, Ronny, Cook
Reasoning: Lamar was having a all star season before his injuries. Everyone was saying if he keeps playing like that he will definitely be an allstar. Injuries however took a toll on him. He showed a lot of dedication for the team after his injuries. He played even though he was in great pain both emotionally and physically. He is probably my favorite player on the laker Roster right now because Kobe is getting annoying. Ronny is a hustle player. He plays with energy every time he is on the floor. Brian Cook is a pure shooter and can shoot the three.

C: Mihm, Bynum, Kwame
Reasoning: Mihm should be back if he can start showing the Lakers he can play great like he did before his injury. He had a nice offense before the injury. Kwame is a defensive specialist who can guard the leagues premier defenders. He just doesn't have a offensive game. Bynum seems to be developing nicely and has been working out every day this summer. His third season in the NBA could be a nice one.

I think the Lakers can get atleast fourth place in the western conference with that lineup as long as they do not get injured. They were third in the conference before the injuries. I know some of you will bash me because I am using the injury excuse but I know how it feels when you are playing injured. It has a great impact on the game. I got an ankle injury in my sophomore year in high school and it had great impact on my game. It hurt when I tried to shoot and my shot went bad during the injury. It is very hard playing through injury and some fans should be more considerate toward the players who are playing through injuries. It is very hard and definitely affects your game.

On a lighter and a positive note there is no Smush next season. :lol:
 

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Hold up... Grant Hill is going to the Lakers? I was almost sure I was going to see him in a Piston Uniform again. :(
 

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Walton agrees to six-year deal with Lakers for 30 Million.

I think I can predict the Laker summer signings right now. Next week they are going to sign [SIZE=-1]Theodoros Papaloukas with the MLE(Clippers say they still have nightmares about this guy in the preseason game :lol:. After that in August they are going to sign a small trial contract with Chris Mihm. I like the Laker summer. I think they will be do pretty good next season if they don't get injured.

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PG: [SIZE=-1]Papaloukas[/SIZE], Javaris, Farmar
SG: Kobe, Evans, Sasha
SG: Walton, Radmonovic, Kapono
PF: Lamar, Ronny, Cook
C: Mihm, Bynum, Kwame

I think it will be a successful summer if they pull this off.
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]

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PG: [SIZE=-1]Papaloukas[/SIZE], Javaris, Farmar
SG: Kobe, Evans, Sasha
SG: Walton, Radmonovic, Kapono
PF: Lamar, Ronny, Cook
C: Mihm, Bynum, Kwame

I think it will be a successful summer if they pull this off.[/QUOTE]

Kapono has agreed to a deal with toronto. -Some more news-
-Nba Officials are saying that the bucks have offered Mo Williams a $40 million dollar deal.(5 year deal) On the other hand though, there are teams trying to aquire him through a sign and trade deal.
- I've have also read that the magic did not contact Darko Millic (spelling?) or his agent on the first day of free agency. I don't know if that means anything to you guys.
-and as many of you Know, Vince Carter has agreed to a deal with the Nets.
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]
PG: MLE, Javaris, Farmar
Reasoning: Hill might sign for the veterans minimum with the MLE. Hill is just a placeholder for now and I see a lot of teams buying out their veteran PG. The reason I said Hill was because the Triangle does not need a traditional PG per say. He is just a possibility. Farmar played pretty well in the play offs for a rookier. Javaris has 4 years of triangle experience so he should blend very nicely.[/QUOTE]
Still, Hill isn't going to play the point...if they even get him. He's too tall, not a great ball handler at his age, and lacks any speed. Defensively that would be an incredible weak spot for the Lakers. Farmar hasn't proven themself even remotely to be capable of the starting position of point. As for Crittenton, he wasn't that solid of a guard at GT, and currently gets the nod as the most confusing pick of this year's first round. Why draft another PG when you used your first pick last year to do the same thing? Unless the Lakers can acquire a solid PG for this season (ie Billups), they will suffer grealy at the point and further irritate Kobe.

[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]

SG: Kobe, Evans, Sasha
Reasoning: Kobe is most likely going to play most of the minutes and Mo Evans is a pretty good shooter but is streaky at times. Sasha is Sasha. Only if he could play like he does when he is practicing. He is like the best shooter on the team.[/QUOTE]
Kobe plays 40 minutes a game, the eight other minutes available they can use either of these two clowns to just take up space.

[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]
SF: Walton, Radmonovic, Kapono
Reasoning: This is probably the best three point SF position in the NBA. Radman should have a better season. He was hurt for most of it and had an impact on his shooting. Walton too was pretty good at the three point line before the injury. Jason Kapono as we all know was the best three point shooter last season. He made 51.4% from the three point line and 49.4% overall FG%.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Jason Kapono is a great 3 Point Shooter, but he just reached a four year agreement with the Toronto Raptors...how does that have anything to do with the Lakers?

I agree that Walton isn't that bad, he's probably the third best player on the team. I wouldn't really call him a 3 Point threat though since he only shoots about two a game. As for Radmanovic, he really hasn't amounted to much...I mean, if he can shoot 40% from 3 Point I guess thats a solid plus, be being 6-10 and having no rebounding abilities whatso ever is kind of a disappointment.

[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]
PF: Lamar, Ronny, Cook
Reasoning: Lamar was having a all star season before his injuries. Everyone was saying if he keeps playing like that he will definitely be an allstar. Injuries however took a toll on him. He showed a lot of dedication for the team after his injuries. He played even though he was in great pain both emotionally and physically. He is probably my favorite player on the laker Roster right now because Kobe is getting annoying. Ronny is a hustle player. He plays with energy every time he is on the floor. Brian Cook is a pure shooter and can shoot the three.[/QUOTE]
Oden is clearly the second best player on the team, but far from an All Star. If the Lakers ever expect to go anywhere he needs to get more than 15 points a game...that is drastically too low. He does get rebounds, apparently the only one on the team, but without more scoring he really isn't living up to where he needs to be.

As for Cook and Turiaf, they're just decent bench players. They are young, so there is room for improvement. I wouldn't be watching them for a break out season this year though, so don't hold your breath there.

[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]
C: Mihm, Bynum, Kwame
Reasoning: Mihm should be back if he can start showing the Lakers he can play great like he did before his injury. He had a nice offense before the injury. Kwame is a defensive specialist who can guard the leagues premier defenders. He just doesn't have a offensive game. Bynum seems to be developing nicely and has been working out every day this summer. His third season in the NBA could be a nice one.[/QUOTE]
This is where the Lakers REALLY, REALLY hurt. The Western Conference is all about big men and the Lakers have one nobody and two busts.

Mihm has only played 70+ games twice in his seven year career, and he is only averaging 56 games a season...thats at O'Neal's level and he definitly isn't O'Neal. Besides his medicore offensive abilities it really doesn't bring much to the table. He'll have his big night every so often, but in a seven game playoff series he'll probably only deliver one, maybe two, times.

Bynum is already a bust in most people's mind, though I wouldn't call him one, he hasn't done much to prove otherwise. He started off strong last season but during the last two months he was a complete no show. He's shown flashes of greatness, but the book is out that he isn't much more than a Haywood type center. Oh, and did I mention Kobe appears to hate him...that doesn't help.

As for Kwame, the biggest first pick bust of all time, he's not the future of the Lakers nor will he ever be. Immaturity mixed with a poor work ethic leads to Kwame being a sub par bench player the rest of his career.


[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]
I think the Lakers can get atleast fourth place in the western conference with that lineup as long as they do not get injured. They were third in the conference before the injuries. I know some of you will bash me because I am using the injury excuse but I know how it feels when you are playing injured. It has a great impact on the game. I got an ankle injury in my sophomore year in high school and it had great impact on my game. It hurt when I tried to shoot and my shot went bad during the injury. It is very hard playing through injury and some fans should be more considerate toward the players who are playing through injuries. It is very hard and definitely affects your game.[/QUOTE]
Top Teams in the West:
1.San Antonio
2.Dallas
3.Phoenix
4.Houston
5.Denver
6.Utah
7.Portland
8.Seattle
9.LA Lakers
10.LA Clippers