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UndecideD

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[QUOTE="Hippo, post: 0]
Top Teams in the West:
1.San Antonio
2.Dallas
3.Phoenix
4.Houston
5.Denver
6.Utah
7.Portland
8.Seattle
9.LA Lakers
10.LA Clippers[/quote]
Imo The Lakers will take the last spot over Seattle.

I have some more news
[reveal] -Portland expected to buyout Steve Francis' contract(Clippers are one of the teams hoping to sign him)
-Keith Van Horn is thinking about returning(where in the world has he been lol)
-Yi the Bucks first draft pick, might not want to play with the bucks. Reports say that if he doesn't the Bucks will look to trade him. Some more reports say that Yi's agents are looking to "force" a trade. Here is a quote from a Milwaukee newspaper(online artical) "Yi's agents are seeking to force a trade by the Bucks and place him on another NBA team. They had hoped he would be drafted by a team in a city with a larger population of Asian-Americans."
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[QUOTE="UndecideD, post: 0]Imo The Lakers will take the last spot over Seattle.

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It really depends on whether or not Seattle resigns Lewis. Remember, it was only a couple years ago that Seattle was one of the upper tier teams in teh West.
 

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Top Teams in the West:
1.San Antonio
2.Dallas
3.Phoenix
4.Houston
5.Denver
6.Utah
7.Portland
8.Seattle
9.LA Lakers
10.LA Clippers
Wow, that is way to low for the Lakers. And especially for a team that has Kobe Bryant. Portland and Seattle did a good job, but they are still a very young team, and I don't expect them to do much this coming season. Now if you were to do that next season, I would believe that. Here is the way I see it playing out. If every team stays Healthy and such.

Top Teams in the West:
1. Phoenix
2. Dallas
3. San Antonio
4. Utah
5. Houston
6. Lakers
7. Denver
8. Golden State

I was hoping the Lakers would make a big move, but I'm glad they didn't bend over and let other teams play with them. Now lets see if they can steal someone from the Free-Agent market.
 

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[QUOTE="Hippo, post: 0]If the Lakers don't get Billups they can kiss away another season...[/quote]

And say Goodbye to Kobe as well. They need a player and a PG that will take the shots when need be. And Billups is the only player on the free agent market that fits that player. Steve Blake...nah......Morris Williams....nope...but a real player who's not afraid to shoot, and I know who won't be afraid of Kobe like the rest of the Lakers.
 

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[QUOTE="UnReaL, post: 0]And say Goodbye to Kobe as well. They need a player and a PG that will take the shots when need be. And Billups is the only player on the free agent market that fits that player. Steve Blake...nah......Morris Williams....nope...but a real player who's not afraid to shoot, and I know who won't be afraid of Kobe like the rest of the Lakers.[/quote]
Steve blake is a pretty good shooter and guard, from the games I saw last season.
 

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Still, Hill isn't going to play the point...if they even get him. He's too tall, not a great ball handler at his age, and lacks any speed. Defensively that would be an incredible weak spot for the Lakers. Farmar hasn't proven themself even remotely to be capable of the starting position of point. As for Crittenton, he wasn't that solid of a guard at GT, and currently gets the nod as the most confusing pick of this year's first round. Why draft another PG when you used your first pick last year to do the same thing? Unless the Lakers can acquire a solid PG for this season (ie Billups), they will suffer grealy at the point and further irritate Kobe.
At 19 that was simply the best pick available. You don't always chose what you need. The kid has potential. He just needs to improve some decision making and some more experience will help him. Lakers have a lot of free agents available. Papalaukas and Blake should be on top of their list. I can't comment further on this position until they actually spend it on a player. If they pick Papalaukas or Blake they should be fine. Big improvement over Smush.

Kobe plays 40 minutes a game, the eight other minutes available they can use either of these two clowns to just take up space.
We have the best SG position in the NBA and for for the other 8 minutes we have decent players who can be streaky at times.

Yeah, Jason Kapono is a great 3 Point Shooter, but he just reached a four year agreement with the Toronto Raptors...how does that have anything to do with the Lakers?

I agree that Walton isn't that bad, he's probably the third best player on the team. I wouldn't really call him a 3 Point threat though since he only shoots about two a game. As for Radmanovic, he really hasn't amounted to much...I mean, if he can shoot 40% from 3 Point I guess thats a solid plus, be being 6-10 and having no rebounding abilities whatso ever is kind of a disappointment.
Radman played well for his last team but was basicaly injured all season long. He is a three point specialist not a rebounder. We already have a good rebounder so we don't really need him to do that. We need him to be a shooter and if he can by next season it would be a strong asset to have.

Luke doubled his stats from the season before last season. He has shown some very nice Basketball IQ and was playing well before the injury. We should be fine without Kapono and he wasn't worth the 6 million a year. Luke is so much better than him and he signed for 5 million a year.

Odom is clearly the second best player on the team, but far from an All Star. If the Lakers ever expect to go anywhere he needs to get more than 15 points a game...that is drastically too low. He does get rebounds, apparently the only one on the team, but without more scoring he really isn't living up to where he needs to be.

As for Cook and Turiaf, they're just decent bench players. They are young, so there is room for improvement. I wouldn't be watching them for a break out season this year though, so don't hold your breath there.
Turiaf plays great for backup but same can't be said about Cook. Lamar should have an allstar season as long as he is not injured. He was scoring a lot more and so was Luke before the injuries.


This is where the Lakers REALLY, REALLY hurt. The Western Conference is all about big men and the Lakers have one nobody and two busts.

Mihm has only played 70+ games twice in his seven year career, and he is only averaging 56 games a season...thats at O'Neal's level and he definitly isn't O'Neal. Besides his medicore offensive abilities it really doesn't bring much to the table. He'll have his big night every so often, but in a seven game playoff series he'll probably only deliver one, maybe two, times.

Bynum is already a bust in most people's mind, though I wouldn't call him one, he hasn't done much to prove otherwise. He started off strong last season but during the last two months he was a complete no show. He's shown flashes of greatness, but the book is out that he isn't much more than a Haywood type center. Oh, and did I mention Kobe appears to hate him...that doesn't help.

As for Kwame, the biggest first pick bust of all time, he's not the future of the Lakers nor will he ever be. Immaturity mixed with a poor work ethic leads to Kwame being a sub par bench player the rest of his career.
I just heard Chris Mihm wants the full MLE but I hope the Lakers don't give it to him as it is not worth it at all. The team who offers him the full MLE is probably retarded. 2-3 million a year for 2-3 years is good.

As for BYnum. You are calling him a bust at the age of 19 years old. How many 19 year olds do you see doing as well as he is at this age in the NBA. Most allstars now didn't have the stats he did at his age in the NBA. Too early to call him a bust. Kwame on the other hand is an offensive bust but plays nice defense.



Top Teams in the West:
1.San Antonio
2.Dallas
3.Phoenix
4.Houston
5.Denver
6.Utah
7.Portland
8.Seattle
9.LA Lakers
10.LA Clippers
That is BS. Hell no portland and seattle are better than the lakers. They probably wont even make the playoffs next season. You expect them to get better with players that just came from the draft and no NBA experience.

This is it for next season if the Lakers aren't hurt. San Antonio is old. You should see their decline next season. If they catch the injury bug like the Lakers did last season, they wont even make the playoffs.

1. Dallas (as long as they dont change up the team too much)
2. Phoenix
3. San Antonio
4. Lakers (My lineup with Papalaukas and a season without injuries)
5. Houston
6. Jazz
7. Denver
8. Clippers
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]At 19 that was simply the best pick available. You don't always chose what you need. The kid has potential. He just needs to improve some decision making and some more experience will help him. Lakers have a lot of free agents available. Papalaukas and Blake should be on top of their list. I can't comment further on this position until they actually spend it on a player. If they pick Papalaukas or Blake they should be fine. Big improvement over Smush.
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I'm an improvement over Smush Parker. The Lakers will struggle at the Point unless they sign Billups. You can not win in this league without a solid point guard and you don't win on potential. We can talk what someone "might" be all we want, but we all know this point guard from GT isn't going to amount to much this year. At the end of the day a Laker's point guard needs to do one thing and one thing only...pass the ball to Kobe. Unforntualty, none of the current Laker PGs can do much of anything else.
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We have the best SG position in the NBA and for for the other 8 minutes we have decent players who can be streaky at times.
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Streaky is an understatement..more like, worthless.
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Radman played well for his last team but was basicaly injured all season long. He is a three point specialist not a rebounder. We already have a good rebounder so we don't really need him to do that. We need him to be a shooter and if he can by next season it would be a strong asset to have.
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Players don't become more durable with with age. As for when he was on the Sonics, I've always been a Sonics fan, and he was never that key of a player when he was with them.
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Luke doubled his stats from the season before last season. He has shown some very nice Basketball IQ and was playing well before the injury. We should be fine without Kapono and he wasn't worth the 6 million a year. Luke is so much better than him and he signed for 5 million a year.
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He's alright, but the signing of Walton didn't make the Spurs, Mavs, or Suns shake in their boots at all. Portland and Seattle just added 10 more wins next season with their draft picks, what is currently the Lakers big move to up their spot in the West...resigning Luke Walton...color me unimpressed.
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Turiaf plays great for backup but same can't be said about Cook. Lamar should have an allstar season as long as he is not injured. He was scoring a lot more and so was Luke before the injuries.
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Stop calling someone an all-star until he becomes one...and he hasn't. 15 points and 8 rebounds a game (career) does not stack up to All-Star in anybody's book. You keep saying what these players "might be this season" and you're going completely off your own opinions. Until they actually prove themselves they are nothing more than their past's states...nobodies.

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I just heard Chris Mihm wants the full MLE but I hope the Lakers don't give it to him as it is not worth it at all. The team who offers him the full MLE is probably retarded. 2-3 million a year for 2-3 years is good.
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To win in the West you have to have a dominate big man, Mihm is far from that.
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As for BYnum. You are calling him a bust at the age of 19 years old. How many 19 year olds do you see doing as well as he is at this age in the NBA. Most allstars now didn't have the stats he did at his age in the NBA. Too early to call him a bust. Kwame on the other hand is an offensive bust but plays nice defense.
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Solid players off the top of my mind at age 19 (I'm sure there are tons more):
Lebron, Carmelo, Garnett, Amare, Bryant...just to name a few that were solid players at 19. You want to skip college, you better make sure you're good enough first...Bynum isn't.
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That is BS. Hell no portland and seattle are better than the lakers. They probably wont even make the playoffs next season. You expect them to get better with players that just came from the draft and no NBA experience.
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Portland has the top pick and last year's rookie of the year. Seattle has two future studs. Lakers have the greatest scorer currently playing the game, but surrounding him are a bunch of worthless duds. We've already seen that one player doesn't spell success.
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This is it for next season if the Lakers aren't hurt. San Antonio is old. You should see their decline next season. If they catch the injury bug like the Lakers did last season, they wont even make the playoffs.

1. Dallas (as long as they dont change up the team too much)
2. Phoenix
3. San Antonio
4. Lakers (My lineup with Papalaukas and a season without injuries)
5. Houston
6. Jazz
7. Denver
8. Clippers[/QUOTE]
They are the exact same team as last year, no changes. Houston is ten times better than them as well as Denver. The Jazz are 20X better and don't even think to mention the Lakers with San Antonio.

If you are implying that the Lakers might be better than the Spurs...that is quite honestly the dumbest basketball statement I've ever heard.
 

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I'm an improvement over Smush Parker. The Lakers will struggle at the Point unless they sign Billups. You can not win in this league without a solid point guard and you don't win on potential. We can talk what someone "might" be all we want, but we all know this point guard from GT isn't going to amount to much this year. At the end of the day a Laker's point guard needs to do one thing and one thing only...pass the ball to Kobe. Unforntualty, none of the current Laker PGs can do much of anything else.
I would love to get Billups but you are proposing something that cannot happen. I am being realistic. Lakers need someone that can play defense. They need someone that can keep running the offense running.
Streaky is an understatement..more like, worthless.
Evans is a developing bench player. It is what he always will be. Calling him worthless is an overstatement.
He's alright, but the signing of Walton didn't make the Spurs, Mavs, or Suns shake in their boots at all. Portland and Seattle just added 10 more wins next season with their draft picks, what is currently the Lakers big move to up their spot in the West...resigning Luke Walton...color me unimpressed.
OOh 40 wins is going to get them into the playoffs. Even 40 wins is a longshot. :lol:

Stop calling someone an all-star until he becomes one...and he hasn't. 15 points and 8 rebounds a game (career) does not stack up to All-Star in anybody's book. You keep saying what these players "might be this season" and you're going completely off your own opinions. Until they actually prove themselves they are nothing more than their past's states...nobodies.
True but he showed flashes of being a great player all season long.


Solid players off the top of my mind at age 19 (I'm sure there are tons more):
Lebron, Carmelo, Garnett, Amare, Bryant...just to name a few that were solid players at 19. You want to skip college, you better make sure you're good enough first...Bynum isn't.
You are just mentioning Power Forwards and Guards. Center's take most time to develop. Andrew's stats aren't that far off. You must also take into consideration that those players were the main options for those teams because they were lottery teams. They were one of the best players on the team and got more minutes than andrew. . Lakers have Luke, Kobe, and Lamar.
They are the exact same team as last year, no changes. Houston is ten times better than them as well as Denver. The Jazz are 20X better and don't even think to mention the Lakers with San Antonio.

If you are implying that the Lakers might be better than the Spurs than I'm done debating with you...that is quite honestly the dumbest basketball statement I've ever....ever...heard.
Lakers were playing better basketball and you know it. They got injured. I doubt the Spurs would have even passed the first round if Bruce Bowen, Tim Duncan and Finley were hurt. How do you expect the lakers to when thier 2nd third and 4th options just came back from injuries even though they were hurt. You could see the players in pain all the time in the playoffs. You expect players to be 100% when playing through injuries. Lakers had a season with bad luck. They will be back and they will be back better.

Spurs are old and I doubt they have another playoff run in them. Dallas would have easily beaten them and so would have the suns if they didnt' get cheated out of the playoffs. They aren't as good a team as you say they are. Lakers were 2-1 against them and the lost came to them because they were playing without Lamar or Kwame. Go figure.
 

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seriously SE fanboy if the lakers get higher than the 6th spot next year I will stab myself. If they get 4th I will stab myself and use a pink sig(like KingJordan proposed to do) throughout the playoffs. The lakers signed Luke Walton, big deal, did you think he would go anywhere else( I didn't). There is no way the Lakers (as of now ) are better than the Rockets or the Jazz.
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0][QUOTE="Hippo, post: 0]
I would love to get Billups but you are proposing something that cannot happen. I am being realistic. Lakers need someone that can play defense. They need someone that can keep running the offense running.

Evans is a developing bench player. It is what he always will be. Calling him worthless is an overstatement.

OOh 40 wins is going to get them into the playoffs. Even 40 wins is a longshot. :lol:



True but he showed flashes of being a great player all season long.




You are just mentioning Power Forwards and Guards. Center's take most time to develop. Andrew's stats aren't that far off. You must also take into consideration that those players were the main options for those teams because they were lottery teams. They were one of the best players on the team and got more minutes than andrew. . Lakers have Luke, Kobe, and Lamar.


Lakers were playing better basketball and you know it. They got injured. I doubt the Spurs would have even passed the first round if Bruce Bowen, Tim Duncan and Finley were hurt. How do you expect the lakers to when thier 2nd third and 4th options just came back from injuries even though they were hurt. You could see the players in pain all the time in the playoffs. You expect players to be 100% when playing through injuries. Lakers had a season with bad luck. They will be back and they will be back better.

Spurs are old and I doubt they have another playoff run in them. Dallas would have easily beaten them and so would have the suns if they didnt' get cheated out of the playoffs. They aren't as good a team as you say they are. Lakers were 2-1 against them and the lost came to them because they were playing without Lamar or Kwame. Go figure.[/quote]

And Chuancey can't play defense? I know he isn't as good as he was a couple years back defensively (being exposed in that series with the Cavaliers), but he is still considered one of the top defensive guards out there from what I've seen and heard.
 

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I would love to get Billups but you are proposing something that cannot happen. I am being realistic. Lakers need someone that can play defense. They need someone that can keep running the offense running.
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Billups has been on one of the top defensive teams for the past four seasons. Also, lets not compare the offensive running capabilities of the current Laker guards verses Billups...Billups, one ring in two trips, Laker guards...hmmmm...take a wild guess.
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Evans is a developing bench player. It is what he always will be. Calling him worthless is an overstatement.
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Can the shooting guard that backed up Michael Jordan...can't?...yeah, me neither.
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OOh 40 wins is going to get them into the playoffs. Even 40 wins is a longshot. :lol:
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Your Lakers had 42 and got in...how is 40 a long shot?
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True but he showed flashes of being a great player all season long.
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Every dog has their day...even Kwame had a few good nights. Maybe its just me, but I don't want a player on my team that occasionally has a great night...that doesn't win championships.
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You are just mentioning Power Forwards and Guards. Center's take most time to develop. Andrew's stats aren't that far off. You must also take into consideration that those players were the main options for those teams because they were lottery teams. They were one of the best players on the team and got more minutes than andrew. . Lakers have Luke, Kobe, and Lamar.
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No, actually, centers don't take the most time to develop...they are usually the ones that don't develop at all. The amount of 7 foot "end of the bench" bench players is incredibly high...90% fail to do anything in the NBA.
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Lakers were playing better basketball and you know it. They got injured. I doubt the Spurs would have even passed the first round if Bruce Bowen, Tim Duncan and Finley were hurt. How do you expect the lakers to when thier 2nd third and 4th options just came back from injuries even though they were hurt. You could see the players in pain all the time in the playoffs. You expect players to be 100% when playing through injuries. Lakers had a season with bad luck. They will be back and they will be back better.
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A healthy Lakers team still gets swept by the Spurs. And a healthy Lakers team still goes down to the Jazz, Rockets, and Nuggets.
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Spurs are old and I doubt they have another playoff run in them. Dallas would have easily beaten them and so would have the suns if they didnt' get cheated out of the playoffs. They aren't as good a team as you say they are. Lakers were 2-1 against them and the lost came to them because they were playing without Lamar or Kwame. Go figure.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying the team that won the NBA Finals isn't that good...hmmmm...I guess the Colts suck too.
 

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Billups has been on one of the top defensive teams for the past four seasons. Also, lets not compare the offensive running capabilities of the current Laker guards verses Billups...Billups, one ring in two trips, Laker guards...hmmmm...take a wild guess.
Well Laker Guard Kobe Bryant came back with 3. :lol:

BTW I never meant that he can't play good defense. I meant there is no chance trying because they are not going to get him. I am picking PG that are realistic. Blake is #7 league for assist to turnover ratio.

Your Lakers had 42 and got in...how is 40 a long shot?
They are in the West 40 isnt going to cut it next year. They won't make it.

No, actually, centers don't take the most time to develop...they are usually the ones that don't develop at all. The amount of 7 foot "end of the bench" bench players is incredibly high...90% fail to do anything in the NBA.
Centers don't develop my ass. That is why he more than doubled stats across the board last season.

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 LAL 46 0 7.3 .402 .000 .296 0.7 1.0 1.7 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.37 1.20 1.6
06-07 LAL 82 53 21.9 .558 .000 .668 1.7 4.2 5.9 1.1 0.2 1.6 1.40 3.00 7.8

A healthy Lakers team still gets swept by the Spurs. And a healthy Lakers team still goes down to the Jazz, Rockets, and Nuggets.
Yup that is the reason why they had a winning record against all those teams when healthy. :lol:
So you're saying the team that won the NBA Finals isn't that good...hmmmm...I guess the Colts suck too.
They were so horrible. Worst basketball ever. Its more fun to see Lakers lose a game than watch those two teams fight it out for the finals.
 

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Derek Fisher has played his last game in a Jazz uniform, making the surprising announcement Monday afternoon that he will leave the team.
The president of the Players Association and longtime league veteran will care for his 11-month old daughter, Tatum, who was diagnosed with eye cancer in the Western Conference semifinals. Fisher said that at this time, basketball was not a priority.
He did add, however, that he is also not prepared to retire.
He will leave almost $21 million in salary on the table, which was due to be paid to him over the next three seasons.
Fisher, who recently completed his 10th year in the NBA, led an inexperienced Jazz playoff team to the Western Conference Finals, where Utah lost to the finals champion San Antonio Spurs.
Fisher averaged just under 10 points a game through the playoffs, but it was an emotional run, after he disclosed that his daughter had been diagnosed with eye cancer midway through the conference semifinals.
Fisher was picked 24th by the Lakers in the 1996 NBA Draft, and spent his first eight seasons in Los Angeles, before being traded to Golden State. He was acquired by the Jazz in a trade on July 12, 2006.
OMG its so sad. Derek Fisher is the most memorable laker. I still remember the .4 second shot he made against the Spurs. That was a classic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3TdZHffwOF8

Good Luck where ever you go man. If there is any chance you can come back to the lakers I will welcome you with open arms.
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]Well Laker Guard Kobe Bryant came back with 3. :lol:

BTW I never meant that he can't play good defense. I meant there is no chance trying because they are not going to get him. I am picking PG that are realistic. Blake is #7 league for assist to turnover ratio.
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Blake is better than what they currently have...but hardly much of an improvement. If the Lakers sign Blake the only people that will care will be die hard Laker fans, everyone else will just sigh and forget about it.

Also, Kobe isn't a point guard...so I don't know how that comparisson works.
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They are in the West 40 isnt going to cut it next year. They won't make it.
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How do you know that? You can't predict the amount wins a team will need to make it into the 8th spot of the playoffs.
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Centers don't develop my ass. That is why he more than doubled stats across the board last season.

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 LAL 46 0 7.3 .402 .000 .296 0.7 1.0 1.7 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.37 1.20 1.6
06-07 LAL 82 53 21.9 .558 .000 .668 1.7 4.2 5.9 1.1 0.2 1.6 1.40 3.00 7.8
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You call that developing? Developing into a medicore bench player sure, he's developing into that quite nicely.
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Yup that is the reason why they had a winning record against all those teams when healthy. :lol:
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The Cavs had a better verses record against the Spurs too...how did that work for them in the Finals?
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They were so horrible. Worst basketball ever. Its more fun to see Lakers lose a game than watch those two teams fight it out for the finals.[/QUOTE]
Well, get used to it, the Lakers aren't going back to the Finals for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
 

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They are in the West 40 isnt going to cut it next year. They won't make it.

Centers don't develop my ass. That is why he more than doubled stats across the board last season.



Yup that is the reason why they had a winning record against all those teams when healthy. :lol:
They were so horrible. Worst basketball ever. [/quote] first point- I agree the first point west teams are bulking up even more
second point- I also agree, Yao Ming has had his stats increase every year since he has been in the league.
-so now they are better than them? NO they have a winning record because Kobe goes nuts and doesn't pass the ball(what a surprise).
-The Spurs won the Championship fairly(In my eyes) They are a franchise and saying that they don't have another championship run in them, doesn't really matter. I think they've won enough. They are certaintly more of a Franchise the Lakers when they had Shaq
 

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Also, Kobe isn't a point guard...so I don't know how that comparisson works.
You said Guard in your post not point guard. You know Derek Fisher is available now...

No but really I hope he goes wherever he feels is better for his family.
How do you know that? You can't predict the amount wins a team will need to make it into the 8th spot of the playoffs.
Seen the competition next year? They wont make it. I am willing to bet you.
You call that developing? Developing into a medicore bench player sure, he's developing into that quite nicely.
Bench Player. Haha keep dreaming.

The Cavs had a better verses record against the Spurs too...how did that work for them in the Finals?
The Cavs choked. Their team leader Lebron had no playoff experience. Kobe on the other hand had tons.

Well, get used to it, the Lakers aren't going back to the Finals for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
We will see about that won't we...:D
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]The Cavs choked. Their team leader Lebron had no playoff experience. Kobe on the other hand had tons.[/QUOTE]

What do the Cavs and Lakers have in common...one Superstar, one "somewhat" star, and nine nobodies. You choke a game seven, you don't choke four straight loses.

I'm not willing to bet you that the Lakers won't make the playoffs, anyone can slip into the 7th or 8th spot. However, I'm willing to bet you every point I have, and every future point I gain, that the Lakers won't finish 4th or better next season.
 

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8000 SP that the Lakers will make the playoffs and my guess would be closer than yours. YOu said the Lakers will finish 9th. I say they will finish 4th. Let's see who is right.

Hey unreal when the season starts why don't we start a bet thread again. This time everyone can guess what position and how many wins the team is going to get by the end of the season.

OH and I am pretty sure Derek Fisher will play for the Lakers next season since he said he will play near a team where the best facilities are for his daughter. LA children's hospital is supposedly one of the best hospitals for his daughters. The Lakers are in a desperate search for his for a Point Guard. Derek will be the best fit since he is a veteran, he has triangle experience and has experience playing under Phil Jackson. If he does chose LA as the destination for his daughter, I don't see why the Lakers will not sign him.
 

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[QUOTE="SE fanboy, post: 0]8000 SP that the Lakers will make the playoffs and my guess would be closer than yours. YOu said the Lakers will finish 9th. I say they will finish 4th. Let's see who is right.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, anyone can slip into that final 8th spot, the Warriors did and they haven't made the playoffs since I was born.

You're the one that thinks the Lakers are the elite in the West, I'm just saying, nothing in return from you, if they make the 4th spot I'll give you every point I've ever made.
 

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If everyone on the team stays healthy (which is a big question), than I can see the Lakers get 4rth or 5th at best. It also depends on Kobe's Motivation, and how well the other players step up. Unless they get another All-Star without trading Odom than I see them moving up the ladder.

As for the Bynum situation. He has improved greatly since coming into the league at 17. His numbers can be attributed to the fact that he got more playing time...but overall his performance on the court has increased. Now if he demanded the ball (or got the ball) more, those numbers would easily increase.

Bynum desperately needs to bulk up and get stronger. Everytime he goes up for a dunk, he never finishes when he gets fouled. Also...the stupid layups. WTF is a 7 footer doing layup for? Dunk that S***, damn it.

If anyone could guarantee me that everyone would stay healthy, I would easily take up on that bet and say the Lakers can be one of the top 4 teams in the West.
 

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How can a team that limped into the playoffs last season, make no improvements over the off season, have the teams around them get better, lose their best point guard (who wasn't that good to begin with), explode in terms of team chemistry (Kobe hates pretty much everyone)...

...and then get to the 4th spot in the playoffs?!?!


Last I checked, the Jazz are younger and more talented and the Rockets have Yao and McGrady.
 

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Easy...They had a 23-11 or 23-10 record before Lamar and Walton went down. They were on a role, and other players stepped up. Lamar was playing like the All-Star that he could be, and Bynum was huge during that stretch. Now you can say that most of those games were home, but a win is a win.

Guarantee me that they stay healthy, Lamar plays like an All-Star, and Bynum has a basketball growth spurt, than yeah....they can be a top team in the league.

Now remember, Houston didn't surge until Yao went down. McGrady looked like the T-Mac of Orlando and carried that team up the ladder, with the role players help.

I will give you Utah though. D-Will stepped up big in the playoffs and I expect him to carry that over to the next season. If every team stays healthy than I can see the Lakers in that 4rth or 5th spot.
 

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The point guard position on the lakers should improve significantly if Fisher signs with the Lakers. The new point guards will do well under his leadership and can learn a lot.
 

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Whoa people are getting overpayed this year. Kapono got 4 year 24 million. Vince Carter signed for like 20 million a year. I am glad we got Walton for 5 million a year. He was expected to take the whole MLE. Now if we can get fisher for 3-4 million a year, it would be a good offseason. Blake and Mihm are asking for too much. Full MLE for those scrubs. Hell no.