Need help with Hybrid drives for PS4.

TidalPhoenix

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Reply so it subscribes me to this thread and to say that I too would like to know.

I'm betting that this will be absolutely fine (tempted to get one myself)
 

davin_g

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That should work fine. The 6gb/s is for SATA 3 if I'm not mistaken. Its backwards compatible but just so you know the PS4 harddrive that comes with the unit was only a SATA 2 so while this harddrive may transfer faster...the PS4 may only transfer up to 3gb/s..I don't think anyone knows yet if it can transfer faster.
 

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Do you really think a Hybrid is wise? Some people are going over board, if games are running 1080/60 on the stock drive then do we really need all this?
I still think a WD black drive will probably perform better in the long run.
 

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I'm in no hurry to replace the ps4 stock drive. I won't have it filled in a week. I'll let the public jump to conclusions first and test out what works and what doesn't. Then I'll swoop in and grab something on the cheap later, perhaps during black friday amazon sales or perhaps closer to christmas
 

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[QUOTE="Demi_God, post: 6241148]I'm currently looking at HHDD (link below) but will it work? It's 6.0Gb/s but some other ones have 3.0Gb/s and I don't know......I just don't know since it's a console. On a PC this wouldn't be a problem but since the PS4 is a bit different.....here's the link.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178340&ignorebbr=1[/QUOTE]

I bought the same HDD for my PS4. It will work just fine.
 
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I bought the one you listed over on amazon for $108 and plan on installing it first thing. I don't wan't to have to re-download a bunch of stuff again. I rather start bigger. It's not that much more than a standard HDD so I'll take the gamble that it will potentially improve my speeds. If not I still got the 1TB I wanted. Lawyered! =]
 

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I'm just trying to figure out if the Hybrid, even though it will only use SATA II, will get still be faster on the PS4 than maybe a cheaper one that isn't a hybrid.
 
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[QUOTE="Demi_God, post: 6241202]I'm just trying to figure out if the Hybrid, even though it will only use SATA II, will get still be faster on the PS4 than maybe a cheaper one that isn't a hybrid.[/QUOTE]

I thought there was no confirmation on if the PS4 uses a SATA II or III controller. I know the system comes with a SATA II HDD but that means nothing as a SATA III controller is backwards compatible. So it could easily have a SATA III controller considering that now just about everything has gone that way.

So it is a gamble technically but one I am willing to take for a few extra dollars.
 

davin_g

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[QUOTE="Demi_God, post: 6241202]I'm just trying to figure out if the Hybrid, even though it will only use SATA II, will get still be faster on the PS4 than maybe a cheaper one that isn't a hybrid.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone knows exactly if it will or not. In a PC yes but thats because it will store data in the cache that it reuses over and over often...like data to launch certain apps or programs....on the PS4 it is unknown if any benefit at all will come from it because I would imagine things like game assets are too large to store in this cache to really make a lot of use out of it. I don't really know and I would wait to find out from testers when it launches. One thing I know is that its speed is 5400rpm which IS what the hdd in the ps4 is already...I imagine if you want something that will read faster you could just go with a standard 7200 rpm hdd and not worry about the hybrid....that should benefit you in seek times and loading....but comes at a louder hdd and more heat. I think a lot is unknown because it is uncertain how the PS4 will utilize the HDD speed and if it can or will any cache in the hdd. I would wait....because you could potentially be paying 25-30% more for a hdd that won't benefit you one bit. Likely in a couple weeks to a month these answers will be all over the internet and the prices will probably just be cheaper anyways....I can't imagine redownloading the limited data you will have by then will be too troubling...especially since most of it is done in the background anyways while you play.
 
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[QUOTE="vudumonkey25, post: 6241196]I bought the one you listed over on amazon for $108 and plan on installing it first thing. I don't wan't to have to re-download a bunch of stuff again. I rather start bigger. It's not that much more than a standard HDD so I'll take the gamble that it will potentially improve my speeds. If not I still got the 1TB I wanted. Lawyered! =][/QUOTE]

The reviews on Amazon and Newegg have me worried with a decent amount of negative reviews on that drive.

Does anyone think 7200RPM would run to hot for the closed quarters of the PS4? I found a WD Black series 1TB 7200RPM for around $90.
 

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It IS a Seagate your looking at....... (lots of people say they are bad) Otherwise didn't someone not too long ago say that the Hybrids worked well with the PS3?......
Also just because they only put a SATA II HDD in the PS4 doesn't mean that the connector they gave the thing. They probably just chose a SATA II HDD to shave or a few pennies in the end. Besides what sense does it make to use an older SATA connector in a device that's supposed to last ~10 years, play and stream HD games, and play later 4k movies. SATA II would become quite the bottleneck for that last one, or even high profile H.264 movies today at high bitrates. (eeek)
 

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I hope we can just swap the drive with out puting the few on a USB stick.launch ps3 we jus swaped the dive and the console
Formatted it no need for USB fw on launch ps3
 
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Yeah, TAZ427 and myself have been scouring the internet for the 1TB/32GB SSHD that Seagate is coming out with, but unfortunately it is only for OEM's right now, so the one you have listed is the best one if you were to buy one today!
 

TAZ427

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[QUOTE="MonkeyClaw, post: 6241710]Yeah, TAZ427 and myself have been scouring the internet for the 1TB/32GB SSHD that Seagate is coming out with, but unfortunately it is only for OEM's right now, so the one you have listed is the best one if you were to buy one today![/QUOTE]

Yeah, still haven't found anyone selling it as OEM equipment either. I'm probably just going to see how good it is w/ the standard drive for now and hold off until beginning of next year. There's supposed to be a 2TB 9.5mm HDD out early next year.

I'm sure we'll get reports on how well the SSHD does compared to HDD on the PS4 and I'm sure a SSHD version of the 2TB won't be far behind.

I don't mind DL all my games again, now that it does it in the background in LP state. I am interested in what sort of Backup/Restore system they have. I hope it will be 100% of games and saves (including digital downloads) if you're restoring it back to the same system.
 
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Do you have a link to the 1tb wd black? I didn't think they made the black in a 1tb 2.5".

edit: I was trying to "reply with quote" to atomicnuke but it didn't put in his text for some reason.
 
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keefy

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Will not be long until a 1TB SSD is £200 (this time next year if no mishaps occur) which I think is good value and within the range of most people.
Eventually SSD will be able to carry far more capicity than mechanical drives can with the same dimensions.
 
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178340&ignorebbr=1[/URL]
People forget that PS4s and Xbox Ones are mini computers. Just like a laptop you can carry around the PS4 is just a computer that sits in front of your TV.

Standard HDD will work
Hybrid and Solid Slate Drives will work.

If you buy a solid slate drive you will need the mounting kit so it doesnt rattle around in your PS4. Hybrid drives are suppose to be 4x faster than a 5400rpm HDD.

If you are looking for HDD - HGST is the company to buy from, for Hybrid Drives Seagate is the winner and Solid Slate Drives its Samsung.

Boxclash has a few guides on HDD, Hybrid and SSHD and they also have a guide on how to do the upgrade once you have your PS4 - http://boxclash.com/ps4-hard-drive-sshd-ssd-upgrade/

http://boxclash.com/ps4-hard-drive-upgrade-guide/

1.5 TB is the largest you can go right now
 

jlippone

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[QUOTE="mickice, post: 6241187]Do you really think a Hybrid is wise? Some people are going over board, if games are running 1080/60 on the stock drive then do we really need all this?
I still think a WD black drive will probably perform better in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Drive speed has nothing to do with framerate, but plenty to do with load times.
What is especially important is the latency of which new information can be fetch and this is the biggest advantage of SSD and Hybrid when data is in it's cache.
[QUOTE="Demi_God, post: 6241202]I'm just trying to figure out if the Hybrid, even though it will only use SATA II, will get still be faster on the PS4 than maybe a cheaper one that isn't a hybrid.[/QUOTE]
I have 750GB hybrid on my ps3 the difference is noticeable.

SATA2 has it's speed limit at 300MB/s.. traditional 2.5 inch HDDs have read speed at maximum of around ~150MB/s..
SATA will not be the limiting factor when using traditional HDD or Hybrid, only SSDs are able to get beyond SATA2 or SATA3 speeds. (Highend SSDs are actually limited by SATA3 at the moment..)
[QUOTE="D3seeker, post: 6241402]Besides what sense does it make to use an older SATA connector in a device that's supposed to last ~10 years, play and stream HD games, and play later 4k movies. SATA II would become quite the bottleneck for that last one, or even high profile H.264 movies today at high bitrates. (eeek)[/QUOTE]
Even if you take very high bitrate bluray and interpolate the result for a 4k, you would still only reach to around ~200Mbit/s, it's still well under 1/10th of the maximum of a SATA2 bandwidth..
 
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