No more backwards capability?

robvandam111

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During this generation, backwards capabilities was one of the prominent features for the current consoles. Seeing how each brand had their own way to process their precedent console games. It turns out no matter which way you look at it. You'll be stored with many games. Whether you'd rather trade-in, sell them (Ripping yourself off if you do that, my opinion lol.) or keep them as long as you live because you cherish what you own. In the next generation console, wouldn't it be a good idea if they had some sort of digital download code for you to own. Yes, I know there's already digital download for games now but I'm talking about something similar when you're buying a Blu-ray movie; you get the movie in three different formats including a dowload. Reason for this, you won't have to re-purchase the games, fall for an HD collection or something. So once you buy your game, you won't have to worry squandering your money.
 

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A digital download code would e dumb why bother when everyone already owns the disk... Something was supposed to happen for that and the PSPgo and it didnt work out. By the time the PS4 comes out ill have likely almost 150 PS3 retail games... Sony wouldn't give me a code for them all and I wouldn't download them all what a waste of time and bandwidth when I own them already.

On another note It seems likely that it will be b/c with stuff bought off the PS Store.... But having only that and not for disks would be dumb.... Who knows. I like to see it but either way my PS3 isn't going anywhere anytime soon


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You won't need it probably, because Sony's gonna put its entire PS, PS2 and PS3 catalog on the cloud as part of next gens Instant Game Collection. :lol:
 

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[QUOTE="Ghost-Rhayne, post: 5967541]You won't need it probably, because Sony's gonna put its entire PS, PS2 and PS3 catalog on the cloud as part of next gens Instant Game Collection. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Yeah right


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robvandam111

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[QUOTE="DarkVincent07, post: 5967538]A digital download code would e dumb why bother when everyone already owns the disk... Something was supposed to happen for that and the PSPgo and it didnt work out. By the time the PS4 comes out ill have likely almost 150 PS3 retail games... Sony wouldn't give me a code for them all and I wouldn't download them all what a waste of time and bandwidth when I own them already.

On another note It seems likely that it will be b/c with stuff bought off the PS Store.... But having only that and not for disks would be dumb.... Who knows. I like to see it but either way my PS3 isn't going anywhere anytime soon


Via Tapatalk :)[/QUOTE]


That's not what I meant lol, If you're buying the game from a disc, you should have code or some concept that will make sure you won't be re-purchasing the game. That's why it should start with the ps4 games because I doubt the ps5 will have backwards capbility with the ps3 or ps4 games. Just look at the PS3 slims for example. Now we're getting these HD collections...(its BS! HDMI made my ps2 games HD while playing on my 60gb)and of course they're not going to give you codes for games you already own but sooner or later you may like playing those games on a future console. By the way, this goes generally to Nintendo and Microsoft. I wouldn't mind about wasting time or bandwidth; download speed will keep on advancing when the technology is ready.

That's why I also mentioned about Blu-Ray packages because they also come with a regular DVD and digital download file for any mobile devices.

About Cloud, not sure how will that work out for now...
 

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[QUOTE="DarkVincent07, post: 5967553]You lost me at 'HDMI made my ps2 games HD' Wut lol


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Think of it this way, do you own Nintendo consoles? Well, thanks to the Wii's Virtual Console you're able to download a lot of retro games and classics. Now that the Wii U isn't backwards capabable with Gamecube games, it'll be on the virtual console as well. When the Wii U2 (or whatever name Nintendo would put on) it won't be capatible with Wii games. Hence, Wii games will be sold online soon and same with Wii U games. Instead of purchasing the games twice just have some code to make sure you have the game and whenever there's a new console it'll secure a purchase when the game is released on the online market or if its already online. Reason for this concept is for the lack of backwards capability features existing at the moment.

And about the HDMI thing lol, I was playing my ps2 games on my ps3 while using an HDMI cable. These HD collection concept isn't too new I'd say besides the added quality.
 

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Total backwards compatability isn't practical nor relevant anymore. A PS2 drive and PS1/3/4 drive isn't going to work if they want a good production cost...and digital services will be half-baked if console libraries aren't complete.

I personally think they should do what they tried with PS3 except do it right (PS3 drive in a PS4) because this time they have PSN for older legacy console games. If they can't do this, then they are stuck forcing everybody to be without luck on certain games being on their PS4 and re-downloading stuff that is available that they already own. Code vouchers are too messy of a solution, IMO, since it would be sensitive to hackers, who have already successfully cracked Sony's platforms every time.
 
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robvandam111

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[QUOTE="Bio, post: 5967932]Total backwards compatability isn't practical nor relevant anymore. A PS2 drive and PS1/3/4 drive isn't going to work if they want a good production cost...and digital services will be half-baked if console libraries aren't complete.

I personally think they should do what they tried with PS3 except do it right (PS3 drive in a PS4) because this time they have PSN for older legacy console games. If they can't do this, then they are stuck forcing everybody to be without luck on certain games being on their PS4 and re-downloading stuff that is available that they already own. Code vouchers are too messy of a solution, IMO, since it would be sensitive to hackers, who have already successfully cracked Sony's platforms every time.[/QUOTE]

Damn...I was going to reply to your last edit lol. That would be the only problem. Piracy and the Hackers. And that's why I mentioned the idea because total backwards capability isn't practical nor relevant. That's why they should start fresh with the ps4 games and avoid continue bringing some type of business such for example God of War 3 UltraViolet HD now for the ps4. I'm not saying they should give a code to everyone to download all of their old games but start a process that will benefits consumers to be allowed to play their games on a current hardware (that's why it should start with the ps4 games). We are already seeing it with ps1 and ps2 classics on the psn although they're also releasing it on the disc too 9HD collections). So if I'm buying it on the disc, I hope I can also download it from the online store too because that "disc" will probably won't be backwards capatible on a future console.

Now with the ps1 and ps2 classics being sold online. You won't have to worry about your original disc copy. Just whenever you like, download it again and erase it from your hard drive if its taking up space. And when I'm on my ps4, I'll be downloading it again on from the psn not worrying about the consoles backwards capability and I don't have to pay for it again because sony holds the psn accounts data.

I hope you guys know what I'm saying lol, I'm just bored at home...
 

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Yeah, HD classics is counterproductive now that digital service is on the rise, but HD classics as they are now mainly serve as a temporary solution for a generation that's mostly based on physical distribution (discs). HD classics discs will still be here next generation, but with everybody wanting to store their games, I find it unlikely that they will continue them without some sort of digital ID.

And on that note, physical copies ought to be IDed across the board so people don't get shafted for buying a disc if they wanna store it into a new PlayStation later. It will allow us to ID our disc to our PS3, so once PS4 rolls around, we can ID our PS3 model number to our PS4 and PSN can trace the information back to the disc to prove we own it. This would require IDing our console to our PSN, too, which is protected by personal information. Theoretically, it could deter vouchers and be a safer way to prove our purchases (not to mention it could discourage used game purchases to a small degree).

This does nothing for older purchases, of course, since those discs have no ID in them, but at least it could pave the way towards absolute re-downloading at no extra cost in a safer manner. It's just a theory, though, so I might be wrong.
 
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[QUOTE="Bio, post: 5968022]I think the moral of the story is to keep your physical copies until you can download them. Paying for them twice sucks...but I'm starting to think it's the nature of physical-to-digital transitions. There was no account infrastructure in place when we bought physical copies, so I don't see any way that we can prove we have the game in a manner that is digital-friendly.

Maybe if they were able to let us ID our disc to our console (a one disc to one console thing), then it would be easier cuz then we'd just have to give them the console model number and PSN can trace back the information. I don't have a PS3 nor a PSN account so I dunno if anything like this is in place. Even if it was, though, it doesn't completely solve the issue since newly produced discs would be the only ones being IDed, meaning older disc purchases and used games aren't supported (used games is sketchy business, though, so I don't care much about that negative lol).

Anyway, if I were Sony, I would not want to resort to codes and keep trying to make alternate solutions for retro demands, such as pushing digital reproduction and making legacy consoles (i.e., PS3) as cheap as possible before jumping into the next generation.[/QUOTE]

Guess they could make it like all stars, which registers the game to your PSN ID/Console,which when you do allows you to download the Vita version for free, if there was a way to do this with the previous Game ID's and Gaikai/Store which means any titles you already own you can access for free.
 

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backwards compatibility would be great to have, but it has never been a deal breaker to me. If it isnt there i will fully understand the business side that led to the move.
 

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[QUOTE="Chille, post: 5968042]Guess they could make it like all stars, which registers the game to your PSN ID/Console,which when you do allows you to download the Vita version for free, if there was a way to do this with the previous Game ID's and Gaikai/Store which means any titles you already own you can access for free.[/QUOTE]

Now that you mentioned it, I had forgotten about that. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Although, the last time I heard something about this. It's going to be difficult for Sony to imply to this for some third party developers. This is one way moving into the future.
 

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Personally, I could care less about BC. If I decide to sell my PS3, it is because I have moved on to something else. I do not think I have ever put a PS2 or a PS1 disc in my PS3.
 

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I tried a few PS1 games in my PS3 and some didn't work properly Wipeout 3 sticks out as one of those games but cant remember the others. Wipeout 3 works perfect in my PS1.

It is going to be too costly to do in future consoles and emulation is buggy.
 
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[QUOTE="Lethal_NFS, post: 5968816]Personally, I could care less about BC. If I decide to sell my PS3, it is because I have moved on to something else. I do not think I have ever put a PS2 or a PS1 disc in my PS3.[/QUOTE]

That will depend on your current ps3 model.


Anyway, this isn't about backwards capability. It's going to get a point where you're just buying your games for a high price until on a later next console some will be buying those games again. Backwards Capability is going to be obsolete at a point. Starting with the ps4..."IF" the rumors hold true that they won't be backwards capatible.
 

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[QUOTE="robvandam111, post: 5968868]That will depend on your current ps3 model.


Anyway, this isn't about backwards capability. It's going to get a point where you're just buying your games for a high price until on a later next console some will be buying those games again. Backwards Capability is going to be obsolete at a point. Starting with the ps4..."IF" the rumors hold true that they won't be backwards capatible.[/QUOTE]


Of course it depends on the model lol. Mine is a 60gb original model and I have never put in a PS1 or PS2 disc.

Because of the cell cpu on the PS3, I would almost guarantee that the PS4 will NOT play PS3 games.
 

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I'd like to have it as an option for people never got to enjoy games like Tomba, Tekken, and FF games just to name a few it's great.

I mean as of right now I'm playing one of the best RPG's experiences I've had with Persona 3 FES.
 
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Retail BC isn't important but lack of PSN BC could cripple the playstation marketshare.

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[QUOTE="shingi70, post: 5968898]Retail BC isn't important but lack of PSN BC could cripple the playstation marketshare.

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Yeah I've warmed up to the idea of download games of course assuming we get at least 5TB HDD's(seriously not kidding(that's if they try to make games like MGS4 DL))
 
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Yep I'm wearing thin on my 100GB 360 drive.

Its the same effect that mobile platforms have now and days.

If Sony kills off the Backwards compatability of PSN content that will hurt their relationship with developers and consumers. If that content is stuck on the PS3 consumers would be more likely to pick up an xbox and developers will probably hate their games being even more left behind than the wiiware debacle.


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Got a problem here. So I have these friends and most of them are European. Not sure of any cases in the United States. They got themselves the new SuperSlims ps3s and they aren't able to play old ps3 games. The exact problem they have is whenever they insert Resistance Fall o Man, they can't download the online patch. It's like if it never existed.
 

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Sure they'll be no backwards compatibility on the PS4. The PS3 still has plenty of life in it. Sony said it would have at least a 10 year life cycle and they'll still be good games developed for it over the past couple of years. Backwards compatibility is pointless. If you want to play older games, get your older console out.