Oh No, Square

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I am a little worried about the way things are heading but at the same time am hopeful that while these big guys are busy playing it safe and rounding up sheep that there will continue to be these new smaller companies coming in to take up the slack. Most of favorites and anticipated titles aren't from these huge companies anyways but are from the small guys....LBP would be a good example.
 

jubeininja69

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ok FFXIII is not coming out anytime soon. gotcha. more mainstream wii and DS games coming soon. in the past i said this Wada guy is an idiot and this day still he's an idiot. i wish square doesn't buy other hardcore companies and turn them into mainstream developers.
 

Merchant

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We do have a glimmer of hope on the horizon. A truely unique game that looks amazing! And exclusive to the ps3?

Can you guess what it is?







Thats right kids, its LittleBigPlanet! Hopefully this game will encourage other companies to try new things.
 

TheMadTitan

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[QUOTE="Kauldron, post: 0]http://www.destructoid.com/more-det...more-non-mainstream-games-allowed-87774.phtml

My number one hobby seems to be headed for a downward spiral.

With start up Devs not being able to break into the industry because of cost and established ones taking low risk ventures, a stagnant market looks to be the future.

It is definitely not good when creativity is held back to fit a mainstream mold.

I'm really missing the days when gaming was not so mainstream.

Dark days ahead. :sad:[/quote]

i have been feeling the same exact way for a while. first rap gets caught up in the mainstream and drives out creativity and now the same is happening for gaming. im starting to see why those ppl that hate everything mainstream exist.
 
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Is every game going to be come, random generic FPS from here on out? Gaming has been ruined this generation.
 

arcticreaver

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i think he means that "we are too traditional about the way we do things and that we better change."

square enix will find a balance in the near future. they had a good run back in the late 1990s and early 2000s. but like they say, all good things come to an end.

if square didn't bomb with that CGI movie of final fantasy, today would probably be a different story, but who knows.
 
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borninshadow

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[QUOTE="Kauldron, post: 0]
The bad thing is that the masses have no idea what a good or bad game is, they don't research and definitely haven't been gaming for long.
They buy the "cool" new thing at the moment. (AKA Sheep)

The problem with this is the masses generate more profit than real gamers because of their sheer numbers alone.
Companies then have no incentive to produce the great games they once did.
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Oh, you have NO idea how much I want to argue with you! I want to scream from the rooftops that you're wrong and that that isn't the way of the world, to show you page after page of evidence supporting my point...

...unfortunately, that really is the way things are :(

I've met way too many people who claim to know all about gaming, when their experience started with Halo and is about as far back as they're willing to go.

Statements like Wada make sadden me deeply, though I've been seeing it for some time. The games that are the main-stream with a fancy dressing get all the praise, while really innovative games tend to get a glance and a pat on the head.

-Aaron, thinks today kinda sucks
 
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CitizenCope

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HOw come they didn't account the losing money thing to just the hardware transition? I mean EVERY company has a downtime during the transition period! (except for Nintendo apparently)

They won't rake in the big bucks until either FFXIII or Kingdom Hearts comes out. Simple as that.
 
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[QUOTE="CitizenCope, post: 0]HOw come they didn't account the losing money thing to just the hardware transition? I mean EVERY company has a downtime during the transition period! (except for Nintendo apparently)

They won't rake in the big bucks until either FFXIII or Kingdom Hearts comes out. Simple as that.[/quote]I have to agree with you. The white (crystal) engine didn't come free.

If they are so eager to drive up profits, why don't they PAY ATTENTION to the fans requests? Seriously, do we have to punch them in the face repeatedly while screaming FFVII remake for them to understand? They obviously know that's what fans want... it was plastered all over the walls with post-its some time ago and an event. NO!!! Let's just tease the fans by waisting our time on a TECH DEMO..... Squaresoft has gone downhill since the merger and if they keep pumping 10000 remakes of the same friggin game no one wants on different handhelds instead of the ONE remake people really want, Squenix is not looking at major profits anytime soon.

Innovative games will come from little devs supported by big wallets... LittleBigPlanet comes to mind. Big third parties are dead in my eyes now.

Maybe we are getting this all wrong, maybe Wada wants to raise profits and then.... Who am I kidding,... they haven't listened to the fans since PS2 came out (FFVII remake) why would they start now?
 

babybell

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I would rather see them take risks bringing out new games than bringing out a remake of FF7. Thats just my opinion, with the time and money NOT making it would save, we could see some more intresting titles coming out.

FF - The spirits within was a big gamble. Like most things these days. Impressive visuals, crap/mediocre script and storyline.
 
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RRrrr. Making me so angry that companies are backing up the Wii so much. I don't understand why. In my personal opinion, the Wii has single handedly brought down this generation of gaming. I personally don't like getting nerfed games that make it possible for grandmothers/toddlers to own you with the flick of a wrist. Square, you officially suck now.
 
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girlgamer1984

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I have to agree with you. The white (crystal) engine didn't come free.

If they are so eager to drive up profits, why don't they PAY ATTENTION to the fans requests? Seriously, do we have to punch them in the face repeatedly while screaming FFVII remake for them to understand? They obviously know that's what fans want... it was plastered all over the walls with post-its some time ago and an event. NO!!! Let's just tease the fans by waisting our time on a TECH DEMO..... Squaresoft has gone downhill since the merger and if they keep pumping 10000 remakes of the same friggin game no one wants on different handhelds instead of the ONE remake people really want, Squenix is not looking at major profits anytime soon.

Innovative games will come from little devs supported by big wallets... LittleBigPlanet comes to mind. Big third parties are dead in my eyes now.

Maybe we are getting this all wrong, maybe Wada wants to raise profits and then.... Who am I kidding,... they haven't listened to the fans since PS2 came out (FFVII remake) why would they start now?
This exxasperates me to no ends as well. Why is SE not listening to the fans? Is making easy money such a burden? I suppose, all consistent thinking has been deliberately crapped out by the majority of the lot here....
 

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You fools!!I am happy about it because I was tired of seing those borings games release on the DS.It's about damn time that Square-Enix makes more developpement games.

That's also the reason sales in North America has been dropping.People are just tired of playing those boring rpgs over and over again.I really hope to see more new stuff from Square-Enix.
 

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[QUOTE="FantasyStar, post: 0]Unfortunately I have to agree with you. The only thing I have hope on is the way the market works. If Square-Enix fails to deliver, I'll move onto something else. I never had "THAT" much of an interest in FFXIII just cause I don't like the real-time action that made Kingdom Hearts so good. I'm an old school turn-based gamer. For me, the greatest game was FFX and FFVII in terms of perfecting the turn-based action.

Lost Odyssey did a good job as well but didn't live up to my expectations, still a good game though. Best voice acting I've heard in an RPG yet. But if there's anything for FFXIII, it just looks 'pretty'.[/quote]

Didn't you know that the battle director for FFXIII is the battle director from FFX? I think you're thinking of FFXIII Versus, which has the battle director of Kingdom Hearts instead.
 

NuSoardGraphite

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I don't know of anyone who goes to SquEnix for originality. I go to them for a good, solid RPG experience like Final Fantasy. For the innovative stuff, I tend to look at Atlus.

Of course one must remember that the games industry in Japan is on a downward spiral. They money is drying up and the only games that sell are family-oriented tittles made for the mainstream. Thats why Wada is going in this direction. No one plays innovative anymore, so why make them?
 

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Yeah I think that all of these big companies should sacrifice and fire people so that I can get the game I want...

Really is that what people want? Because that is the only way that a big company can do 'crazy' stuff anymore, if they don't go for the target audience that will give them the most profits their shareholders will have a ****-fit.

The only companies that CAN make the inovative games are the small start-ups that don't have to worry about shareholders and that stuff. But of course since all of you 'hardcore' gamers won't play games anymore unless they are in HD and surround sound, these guys can't afford to even START making their games.

So before all of you start blaming the casual gamers, maybe you should start considering another offender, yourself.
 

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[QUOTE="Mr.Blah, post: 0]Yeah I think that all of these big companies should sacrifice and fire people so that I can get the game I want...

Really is that what people want? Because that is the only way that a big company can do 'crazy' stuff anymore, if they don't go for the target audience that will give them the most profits their shareholders will have a ****-fit.

The only companies that CAN make the inovative games are the small start-ups that don't have to worry about shareholders and that stuff. But of course since all of you 'hardcore' gamers won't play games anymore unless they are in HD and surround sound, these guys can't afford to even START making their games.

So before all of you start blaming the casual gamers, maybe you should start considering another offender, yourself.[/quote]

Youre right by god. We should blame the people that have been supporting this industry and keeping it alive all of these years instead of the people that could careless about buying the latest and greatest sequel even if its crap (halo, Mario and whoever sony has). Lets throw away the customers that buy our product on day one and play for hours on end for the players that dont appreciate the amount of work that goes into these games and only play for ****z and giggles an hour out of their day when theyre bored.
I agree, **** the people that buy the special editions, down loadable content, action figures and anything else so ****ing stupid that only a hardcore gamer would buy. **** those guys, lets stick with the one time buy only people.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
 
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arthur

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if you are in business, money is the only thing that matters, sure other developers dont make them comments in public, but its always a point of show me the money
 

Sederior

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[QUOTE="Kauldron, post: 0]Yea, this is the same stance Capcom took. Money, the only thing that matters.

So much quality and creativity is lost that way. EA is a perfect example.

The bad thing is that the masses have no idea what a good or bad game is, they don't research and definitely haven't been gaming for long.
They buy the "cool" new thing at the moment. (AKA Sheep)

The problem with this is the masses generate more profit than real gamers because of their sheer numbers alone.
Companies then have no incentive to produce the great games they once did.

The actual gamers are left with watered down "pop" games. It's happening right before our eyes.[/quote]

It's not so much about what Wada wants is more like appeasing the Share/Stakeholders so that they can make some money and he will keep his job. Also its about the company's image of being profitable. In Japan, nothing is worse than losing face. Making unique games are always a risky business. So far all the real risk taking is done with the machine with the lowest barriers to entry, ie. PSP, DS, Wii. Until the learning curve has been brought to a long enough level it makes perfect sense because production costs would be much lower to recoup after a game has been produced before many companies can actually go on to start getting those creative juices flowing and onto the screen.

It's nothing personal, its just business.
 

Xelis

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[QUOTE="Kauldron, post: 0]My number one hobby seems to be headed for a downward spiral.[/quote]
Take up masturbation, I heard porn isn't going anywhere soon. :lol:

On a serious note, limiting peoples imagination just to raise sales figures is just stupid, only of those ideas that is being supressed could change the face of gaming.
 

Idenowhereiam

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All i can say is what do u expect.. if it aint cod or grand theft something it doesn't get the push it deserves.. no one wants to buy/try obscure titles.. people complain about knock off games but don't want to give anything they haven't heard of a shot...

Case in point.. how awesome of a game is okami...and how many people haven't heard of it...
 

arcticreaver

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well first of all, it comes down to tradition. i believe they are probably a closed company, they don't resource that much or at all for their games. it's all homebrewed and well, it takes more time because they are using technology that is only accessible to them and that while the rest of the world is improving by leaps and bounds, they are progressing at a much slower rate.

check out the screens for the new FF games coming out. they will be out in 2009. probably a bit too long because, first of all, they are a company that is known to show off the SONY's consoles, like graphics for example. with so many games coming out, there titles will look good, but probably not as on par with some of the titles that will be soon released.

it also makes them look like the japanese people in the movie - the Last Samurai. where japan opened up its country and allowed influence. this to me, is basically the same thing. they've been doing the same old thing for such a ridiculous amount of time, they are losing out on all the good and new technology out there.

i'm not sure or am i stating that this is true, it's my opinion.
 
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I think SE is boarding up the house to weather the storm while casual gaming is taking its grip on Japanese society. Several months ago, Wada was exploring his options in the West because he said that "gaming" has become out of style in Japan while pet and housekeeping simulators are the big thing.
 

arcticreaver

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[QUOTE="FinalEvangelion, post: 0]I think SE is boarding up the house to weather the storm while casual gaming is taking its grip on Japanese society. Several months ago, Wada was exploring his options in the West because he said that "gaming" has become out of style in Japan while pet and housekeeping simulators are the big thing.[/quote]


good point, which is why the Wii is also so freakin' hot with japanese.