PS4 PVR (Elgato)

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Ok so two questions one of which extremely PS4 related, the other; not so.
They're both linked though so I thought this would be the most appropriate place to post so here goes:

Been asked what I wanted for Christmas and I just asked for some stuff for my PS4, family knows about my interest of wanting to start up a YouTube channel but I've never really dedicated a wage packet to getting the required kit.
So its been suggested they're going to get me an Elgato Game Capture HD.
Upon doing abit of searching I found one at Amazon at around £130 (is this a good price or are they cheaper elsewhere? A trusted and reliable retailer, of course.)
I then did a little more searching and apparently due to an encryption in the HDMI the PS4 does not as of yet support the Elgato until a patch which is most certainly (according to most) being delivered to us by Sony
Question is, does anyone know when this update is expected to hit our systems? I don't really want to get bought something like that and it just be a useless bit of kit sat in my room.

Second unrelated question would be is the Elgato a stand-out choice? Or is there, of similar pricing a competitor that is equal, if not better?
Main criteria for me is HD recording and upload capability, possibly an editing tool and preferably something that records my own voice in-game as well as the lobbies.
Yet again thanks for your time guys.
 

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Right now, there isn't any date projected for the release that removes the HDCP restrictions.

Elgato, for that price, is decent. The other option that is an easy external, with a decent price, would be the Hauppauge HD PVR 2, or the Pro version.

Hauppauge options:

HD PVR 2
HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition
HD PVR 2 GE Plus

You can compare each of those to your needs, features, etc.

Here is a list of models from Blackmagic Design: LINK
 

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Thanks for the compliment. It means a lot, it really does.

I personally use the Elgato primarily because my HD PVR is the original, and it doesn't work on a mac. However, I wouldn't have any reason to go back to the Hauppauge brand right now. My Elgato works really well, and the software is easy to use, and loaded with features. It has everything you've listed as a need/want.

The only wrench in the gears, right now, is the HDCP problem with the PS4. There have been a handful of people using HDMI splitters, or video converters, to use the Elgato + PS4 just fine. I just haven't been able to get it working.
 
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I was going to say I've seen gameplays etc quite obviously recorded through some kind of game capture so that had me really confused when I read it wasn't possible.
What are the features of Elgato in terms of voice chat? Does it record yours in game and the lobbies or is that the one where (I once read) you have to record your in-game voice seperately and insert it into the video (thus having to remember when and where you said what you did in the second recording)
 

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It can record separate from the game audio...



You have the option for an external mic, or as you can see, an internal mic. It doesn't capture the voice chat that comes through a headset/earpiece.
 

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So the way to do it would be to play with my headset for ingame chat and then to have an additonal microphone rigged up to the software?
 

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This will be of interest to you:

[video=youtube;8DNFdFnhjsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DNFdFnhjsY[/video]
 

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hd-pvr-rocket/2837004.p?id=1219079204941&skuId=2837004&st=pvr%20rocket&cp=1&lp=1[/URL]

This bad boy does not need a separate power source as it uses a USB cable to power up. You do not need to use a computer to record footage either. You can insert a USB thumb drive and record to that. Then use the PC to edit and upload when you are done.
It isn't really going to do you any more good compared to what you already have.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 6261866]It isn't really going to do you any more good compared to what you already have.[/QUOTE]

Hell ya it is. I have no room for my other PVR. I love how portable this one is.
 

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[QUOTE="Lethal_NFS, post: 6261867]Hell ya it is. I have no room for my other PVR. I love how portable this one is.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you're talking a little over an inch difference...

4.75" x 3.5" x 1.5" vs. 6" x 6" x 1.5".
 

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[QUOTE="Sufi, post: 6261872]So both Sony and MS were smart to include the built-in streaming technology.[/QUOTE]

Meh.. Xbox One doesn't have any streaming options. You can capture a short video and then share it, but you can't stream.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 6261873]Meh.. Xbox One doesn't have any streaming options. You can capture a short video and then share it, but you can't stream.[/QUOTE]yet you mean right? fairly sure i read that they both could stream, just that Xbox One captures a smaller chunk at any point.
 

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[QUOTE="Sufi, post: 6261881]yet you mean right? fairly sure i read that they both could stream, just that Xbox One captures a smaller chunk at any point.[/QUOTE]

Xbox One can record but cannot stream. They have a deal with Twitch but it hasn't been added yet.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 6261882]Xbox One can record but cannot stream. They have a deal with Twitch but it hasn't been added yet.[/QUOTE]
right that's what i meant. I heard that the stream feature wasn't going to be there at launch but it will be there in the future.

i can certainly understand the importance of it. at first i was a little against it but i think this will bring in a lot of new users and also good for users to see if they like the game or find new games they didn't know of. it's like free publicity all around.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 6261870]Dude, you're talking a little over an inch difference...

4.75" x 3.5" x 1.5" vs. 6" x 6" x 1.5".[/QUOTE]

My PVR is the 1212 which is like 14x8. We are talking about a 10" difference in size.
 

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[QUOTE="Lethal_NFS, post: 6261885]My PVR is the 1212 which is like 14x8. We are talking about a 10" difference in size.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, I thought you had the 2. Ok, get the smaller one lol.

Our 1212 is 7.8" x 6.8" x 2.75" lol.
 

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[QUOTE="F34R, post: 6261895]That is the dimensions of the packaging. The actual unit is as I listed. ;)[/QUOTE]

Don't you have a game to go play?


:)
 

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I considered the Haupauge PVR, almost got one of Black Magic's Intensity Extreme (which I will later on) but went with elgato -- simple, cross platform and love the fact that (by default) it will auto-record so you can rewind and save certain recordings.
 
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I would say that the Elgato is a good choice mainly because it has the best bitrate out there (30mbps). Im amazed that the hauppage which really popular is only 14 mbps max. I personnaly use a non-pc device called Game Capture Hd 2 from Avermedia and it has a max of 20mbps which just enough for gaming or hd content but the major plus is that it can record live straight to a usb hdd or even better, a usb pendrive! You can edit the unwanted part in the box itself and then upload straight to youtube with it. However, I prefer removing the usb pendrive and uploading to youtube from my PC because I can beforehand put an unsharpen mask filter on the video that remove some compression blur + my PC and my ps4 are not in the same room

example of what mine can do with the filter applied[video=youtube;c3vmA45r9lw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3vmA45r9lw[/video]
 
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Well I dug a little further and found something even cheaper still: http://www.amazon.co.uk/ViewHD-Port-Powered-Splitter-1080P/dp/B004F9LVXC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ce_1

It seems like people are saying that this works with the PS4, something even posted pictures to prove it.

And here's another Youtube video of someone doing this in the UK on a PS4 with the non-splitter version:

[video=youtube;A74GLH74BaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A74GLH74BaA[/video]

So it looks like you can safely get the Elgato and the thing he's using, although the splitter seems to be £7 cheaper. At least you can get 1M HDMI cables for only a couple quid. Also the one he's using only requires USB voltage meaning that you don't need a separate plug and you can power it straight off a TV or PC USB 2 socket.
 

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Splitters should work. I got a cheap one from eBay a couple years ago and it works just fine with the ps4.


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