Rant: Sick of the purist(elitist) gamer.

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MEMEROOT

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definitions

Pieces of broken brick, stone, etc trown into a hole and stamped on - hmmm nice
The central, most important group within an organization, resistant to change - resistant to change - yes I want that to be me.
A type of rock music consisting of short fast songs with minimal melody and aggressive delivery - probably describes hevenly sword quite well???
A form of fast rhythmic dance music developed in the UK in the early 1990s - you need to be on drugs to enjoy it (i was and did.
Said of pornography: describing or depicting sexual acts in explicit detail - or the cell/xenon/rsx


painfully sad
 

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[QUOTE="MEMEROOT, post: 0]definitions

Pieces of broken brick, stone, etc trown into a hole and stamped on - hmmm nice
The central, most important group within an organization, resistant to change - resistant to change - yes I want that to be me.
A type of rock music consisting of short fast songs with minimal melody and aggressive delivery - probably describes hevenly sword quite well???
A form of fast rhythmic dance music developed in the UK in the early 1990s - you need to be on drugs to enjoy it (i was and did.
Said of pornography: describing or depicting sexual acts in explicit detail - or the cell/xenon/rsx


painfully sad[/quote]

I am curious, what is all that about? I am too tired and probably to dumb to decipher that cryptic message you just wrote.
 

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If someone says 'Gaphics doesn't matter' and then goes on to insinuate they mean just that, then yeah, they're wrong, and suck :p Most of the time though I think they mean to say 'gameplay matters more than graphics'. I've been an offender in this case a couple of times due to sucky communication skills :D

Graphics are nice, but I do hate games where graphics impede with gameplay. It's freaking ridiculous when a game pushes graphics beyond reasonable limits and delivers visual glitches, tearing etc. and frame rate problems when they so so simply could have not. It's like taking 1 step forward, 2 steps back, and damages the enjoyment of the game rather than enhancing it. If a game runs smooth as silk I'm pretty much happy as can be when it comes to graphics. It was there when I first enjoyed the pleasures of video games, and it's opposite certainly shouldn't be rearing it's ugly head now.

In regards to OP: Everyone is elitist to a degree though, heck, even you could be considered elitist by your own opinion :p It's a simple fact of human nature, and as long as a a system of right and wrong exists, will continue to plague us, because context will always lead to people deciding which shade of grey is superior to the others. Best option available is to ignore =3 It sounds like you got quite stressed out in a recent encounter, my sympathies ~hugs~
 
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[QUOTE="MiNiMaL_sAnItY, post: 0]I am a graphics whore. Gameplay is an added bonus.[/quote]



:twisted: Same here. Nice sig BTW. Crysis tromps all over console games graphics wise and it has good game play as well. :mrgreen:

Lets face it guys. If nobody cared about graphics then we wouldnt be where we are today.
 

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[QUOTE="old_school_gamer, post: 0]Gameplay is the most important factor in a game, but GRAPHICS is what immerses you in the game and makes things believable or not. They both go hand in hand to make a game great. If graphics didn't matter, then no one would care about PS3 or the PS4. Companies don't make next gen systems for better gameplay(unless you are Nintendo) they make them to set the graphical bar higher. Fortunately with games like Guitar Hero and RB, gameplay is making a comeback. Whether it be graphics or gameplay, the game has to immerse you somehow.[/quote]Graphics are important and they do immerse you in the game but I still feel that in the end gameplay matters more. What's so great about a beautiful game with horrible controls and horrible gameplay? An even mix is what a game needs.
 
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[QUOTE="Cuguy, post: 0]It's quotes like that that ALSO spur debates... you will be branded a Sony fanboy since NOTHING MS is good enough.

Goes both ways.[/QUOTE]

Wrong, I don't despise Microsoft, I even want some of their games on their consoles, but my preferred brand is Sony and that's true.
But I don't act like a horney groupie everytime Sony gets an exclusive game that looks hot, and then when I point out the flaws, or try to look at it critically in comparison to other games, THEN I'm getting tacked for not drinking the Kool-Aid.

Hope that makes sense.
 

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As long as the game boasts a storyline and great controls, and great physics... then graphics really don't matter much to me. There is one little thing about Warhawk that gets my goat, however.

I was having a game of CTF last night in the map Badlands, when I started to really think about something odd which has been going on for quite some time. The direction in which the sun is shining does not correlate with the Warhawk's shadow as it is on the ground. For example, if the Sun is shining towards the Warhawk, then the Warhawk's shadow will be shown going towards the Sun, not away from it. Not to mention, the Warhawk can have a HUGE shadow when it's quite far away from me. I don't like those physics, Lol.
 

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[QUOTE="Lord Arklon, post: 0]Indeed, but when the use of the expression is contrived to fit their hollow points, that's when I question it. I fully agree and support your stance.

My problem lies with the individuals that are hypocritical in their use of the term, and only tend to use it when it conveniently fits their bias.

For example: Gamer A is anticipating Game X. Gamer B says that they aren't impressed with the visuals. Gamer A retorts with any of the following: "That series isn't about graphics! Graphics don't matter! You're out of your mind! Graphics whore! You're not a true gamer!" etc.

What we all don't know is that Gamer A will denounce other games in spite of his/her saying that graphics don't matter. That's what I have a problem with.

You can say graphics don't matter, but then you either shouldn't make such a statement or you shouldn't criticize another game, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, you can say looks don't matter and still appreciate good looks, but if they really don't matter...should you criticize something for not having good looks? After all, they don't matter, right?[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you have a problem with forums ?

Maybe you should stop posting and just play games ?
 
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Why so serious?

Games should be fun. Yes, those "elitist" can go screw themselves. They are like film critics who cannot simply enjoy a summer blockbuster movies.
 
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Simply put, graphics matter a lot. I think it was around the NES era and just beyond when people started commenting on the graphics of video games and companies realized that it mattered a lot to people. It's not a shallow thing to appreciate and comment strongly on a games visuals. I know someone has said it before, but graphics is what immerses us into the game. Just like with movies, if the visual bar of the game is low and unbelievable, it will detract from what is actually there. Just like controls, if you can do the same thing with two different control schemes but one is hard for a common user to comprehend, people aren't going to defend the harder controls and say "but you can do the same thing." Bad graphics do detract from a game. Good graphics certainly does help make a game better. If you disagree with the latter statement, just consider a bad game with good/decent graphics and how much you hate it or trash talk it. Then imagine if it had the worst graphics ever. I'm sure you'd realize there was plenty of room for it to get worse.

Beyond just graphics, people appreciate a multitude of different types games and I should hope that much is obvious. There is a place for games that are pure gameplay and very little story like Quake and Unreal Tournament. Some people enjoy those games and care to do nothing else but engage in the gameplay. Other people want mostly linear story driven games which will call "epics." Heavenly Sword and Unchartered come to mind. They are may be short, but the presentation and production values in both games are extremely high. It's kind of like playing an interactive high budget Hollywood film. Some people prefer the epics where there is more character building and a longer and stronger story in JRPGs. Some people can't stand linear stories and prefer freedom of RPGs and other genres of games like Oblivion and GTA where you can do whatever you want, whenever you want. The point is, there are people who appreciate all kinds of games. I don't know what the distribution of people who appreciate whatever kind of games are, but I get annoyed when games are criticized for being what they are and not being some other type of game.

Also, I think the hardcore gamer pride on these forums is kind of stupid. Every now and then someone interrupts and says "hardcore gamers own all consoles and appreciates games of any genre and style." So if you wanna define it that way, then fine. Unfortunately, not everyone in the world wants to put aside that much money on video games. It doesn't mean they aren't entitled to an opinion.
 

TidusX

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[QUOTE="Insanehead, post: 0]Why so serious?
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Funny thing about what you said is that I just watched the Dark Knight Trailer and when I saw you say that it had the jokers voice in my head.

Back to the main point, I think that it takes a balance of both strong visuals and artistic direction. For example, look at a lot of the games on the PS2. It may have been the weaker system but it had some of the best games in terms of visual style (ie Zone of Enders 2).

What I am hoping for with the PS3 is now getting the best in visuals while still maintaining the same fantastic art direction.

But the big thing is for us to simply enjoy games, we have different opinions, but we still like games.
 
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@ Tetsu,

Fantastic post, and you're probably right...the bandwagon jumpers will probably never go away and carry their own legion of snobs whenever Sony's in a better position. I can't say it was anyone in particular that lit my fuse, but several characters who just can't live and let live.

Anyway....choice quotes:

[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]@ Arklon,

Most elitist snobs are in the PC game realm. Funny how the PS3 always seems to be the target, not the Wii, an undeniable last gen system with non-HD graphics, or the 360, the PC gamer's other box. It's like they're offended a game console DARES to be so good. [/quote]

:lol: Had to laugh at that, never thought about that. While this is true, I'm more concerned about the snobs from our community, because I'd say it affects us more from within. The PC snobs can say what they will, most of them aren't here, but I know what you mean.

[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]Nani?? [/quote]

Nihongo wakaru?

[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]Like seebs, graphics aren't the most important thing for me. I still think the best Final Fantasy games are on the SNES. [/quote]

Which is perfectly fine. What irks me is the "graphics mean nothing, don't matter, etc." sort of talk. People only seem to like using it when they have an agenda to push. For example, their favorite game has uninspired visuals...here comes the excuse mobile in SIXTH GEAR...wish they would spare me the noise.

[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]But at the same time, graphics matter a lot to me. This is the whole reason for going next gen, along with the computing horsepower to bring those worlds to life, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise, why produce a new console at all?[/quote]

They conveniently forget things like this...


[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]being some idiot gangsta trying to corrupt and kill the world (DIE rockstar).[/quote]

:lol: :lol: :lol

[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]Some of us in the PS3 camp sneer at the others, and some of us are kind of testy at dirt clods thrown by others, but then again we're kind of tired of being picked on. I don't browse every thread here or on other boards, but I haven't seen all that much snobbery except from kids. If someone lit your fuse, I'd have to say from my experience, they're from a rather small fraction of us. When the PS3... dare I say it, takes over the world, then we can talk on this subject. I'm sure the bandwagon will be full of snobs. ;)[/quote]

Well said.
 

Grym

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Forget graphics and mention music instead. Most underrated element in gaming as far as immersion is concerned.

Graphics are important though because that's the 1st thing you will see of a game and humans are quick to judge depending on their first impression.
 
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TzarChasm

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This is just the type of thread I could dive headfirst into and collect infractions in.



I think I'll pass, on second thought.
 

Admartian

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[QUOTE="kryton101, post: 0]Graphics aside I agree that labels are a curious and hideously misused term thrown around the gaming community as a whole. We tend to use two slop buckets of classical distinction: -

1/Hardcore
2/Casual

When you think about it these have very little meaning. Try applying them to other activites and you'll see why. A casual driver perhaps? even though they have been doing it for for years, well I'm hardcore! which means what exactly? I drive fast? get paid for it? go the wrong way down one way streets?

What about a little hardcore cleaning or hoovering? Better than all that 'casual' domestic cleanliness other people bander about. casual TV viewing? HARCORE TV viewing! (of course totally different!)

I can hear a thousand replies already....a casual gamer is someone who plays puzzle games about once a week and a hardcore gamer plays lots of FPS to a 'high' standard and for much longer time periods with the obligoratory "I consider myself to be hardcore of course because I play all my games with the lights out at 1am. Thats HARDCORE BABY!!!!"

If you want to put people into little boxes it's usually a sign you want to go in a box yourself. Fact is modern gaming is a diverse cross section of people and you cannot apply such crass and blunt labels to the modern gaming community. We insult ourselves and each other every time we do so. Time to move on and up people.[/quote]
Agreed and excellently well put. +rep





[QUOTE="Lord Arklon, post: 0]You know what I'm sick and tired of? These self appointed and self righteous gaming purists(read: ELITISTS) that like to tell every and any gamer what a "true gamer" is all about.

I'm sorry, but since when was playing games some sort of exclusive club? If I buy something...screw that, If I lay my eyeballs upon something I have as much right to critique it as you do to praise it.

I have rarely, and I mean VERY RARELY seen anyone on these boards complain about graphics completely ruining a game. Most times I see any of the following:

"There's clipping"

"The textures are...crappy/average/decent/ok, etc."

"The lighting is...^"

The list goes on and on, to cover polygon counts, screen tearing, particle effects, water, and various others. RARELY do the words "and I think that will totally ruin the game", but the purist gamer won't have it, He/she will outright TELL you that you said that, and you better apologize for it, because you're in the wrong, sir! Regardless of the level of extremity, you see the bandwagon jumpers coming down upon whoever says such things with a multitude of tirades and insults. It sickens me.

The worst part of it is that these holier than thou PS3 elitist SCUMBAGS like to put words into peoples mouths, insinuating that either hating, disliking, or being genuinely unimpressed with graphics means that you think the game will suck. By my fathers grave I can not remember a single member or a single post EVER claiming that bad graphics guarantees equally bad gameplay. The ministry of playstation zealots won't hear that though, any negative about their holy messiah's visuals and the storm of furious anger is unleashed upon thee.

Yet you see these same overzealous maniacs slandering other games. So then it is revealed that being a true gamer in your judgments is a selective thing. Let's not forget that claiming "graphics don't matter" mean that praising them is hypocritical. You never hear that, though. Those of you that love peddling your petty little "I don't care about graphics" tirades, well then you better **** well mean it. If you don't care about graphics, stop saying your precious games look good, and stop saying that certain apparently unworthy games are allowed to be torn down. Sounds stupid, doesn't it? Well so does each and every one of you that spout that nonsense.

I see the elitists making a bigger deal out of graphics than the supposed graphics whores and "untrue gamers", whatever the HELL that is.

You know what one of the worst parts about it is? What this says to the artists out there. Anytime I see "graphics don't matter" or something along those lines, I consider it like a big fat F-U to all of the artists that work so hard to make these games that we love so beautiful. Yet here we are telling them that their hard work is useless and in vain. It's the most disgusting crutch I've heard in regards to the petty defenses the fanboys like to pitch.

***No serious person will tell you that graphics matter more than gameplay. Find me a serious quote saying exactly this and I'll retract this statement***

Stop coming up with CRAP labels to classify and further divide our community. It's bad enough that journalism for the most part mirrors celebrity tabloids, let's not let that tripe resonate throughout the community. That us vs. them mentality has got to go, we're all just playing games and trying to have fun here. Please also stop trying to invalidate someone's opinion with these garbage cop-outs. Every opinion here is just as worthy as yours, not agreeing with it doesn't mean it's irrelevant, and if you think that, you need to learn how to debate.

I've got a challenge for all of you so-called true, real, purist, or whatever kind of gamer you pretentious cretins like to call yourselves these days.

If you've ever said that graphics don't matter, then NEVER praise the visuals of a game again.

Before you decide to call this proposal stupid, then then be advised: it's meant to be such to show you how foolish your preaching about graphics really are, and is not meant to be taken seriously.[/quote]

Completely agree.

It's also annoying when these "elitists" preach that you need all 3 consoles to have any sort of valid opinion or to be even considered a "true gamer". Any idiot (no offense whatsoever to those that do) can buy all three consoles, and the same idiots can still be fanboys whether they have all 3 or none.


Posts of the year Lord Arklon & kryton101 imo.
 

Christopher

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I have a reading disorder which causes me to only see capitalized or highlighted words in long rants. So the only thing I got out of your post was:

"ELITISTS lay my eyeballs upon something rarely VERY RARELY RARELY and I think PS3 SCUMBAGS that will totally ruin the game means that you think the game will suck. F-U ***No serious person will tell you that graphics matter more than gameplay. Find me a serious quote saying exactly this and I'll retract this statement*** CRAP NEVER praise the visuals of a game again. it's meant to be such to show you how foolish your preaching about graphics really are"

BTW, I agree with every word.
 

xBSGeorge

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Sadly its not just PS3 people, but people from all areas of gaming, PC, Wii, Xbox etc. Everyone has the right to an opinion, nothing wrong with having an opinion, but if said opinion involves bashing someone else, then you need to go back to whatever it is you do when your not here.
 

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Well, to some extent this is becoming a group hug of sorts. ;)

I think 2008 is where we'll see how well the gaming world is really doing. To me, 2007 was the year both systems established themselves, including the 360. I just see 2006 as the kindergarten year for 360 games since MS rushed their new box onto the market, and it seems developers were kind of caught in the currents and likewise put forth rushed efforts.

In 2008, we should have killer titles in both camps, little or no graphical or bug issues, and consoles well enough established that developers have no qualms working on either box. On the boards though, I expect things to get even more rough and tumble. I can see the Halo vs Killzone/Metal Gear Solid debate heating up, as well as Forza vs Gran Turismo. I also expect things to begin to manifest over whether developers begin to get boastful over Blu-ray space or not. Heck, we've already had this going on before the PS3 shipped, and there are games with massive filesizes. Will they blow up real good? Will Gran Turismo 5 hit 25gigs? Will Metal Gear Solid 4 hit 40?

Furthermore, will rumors of a NextBox in 2009 begin to fill the intraweb? Will bragging rights on chosen consoles get heated? Tempers flair?? Stay tuned! :lol:

[QUOTE="LeisureSuitLarry, post: 0]"ELITISTS lay my eyeballs upon something rarely VERY RARELY RARELY and I think PS3 SCUMBAGS that will totally ruin the game means that you think the game will suck. F-U ***No serious person will tell you that graphics matter more than gameplay. Find me a serious quote saying exactly this and I'll retract this statement*** CRAP NEVER praise the visuals of a game again. it's meant to be such to show you how foolish your preaching about graphics really are"

BTW, I agree with every word.[/quote]
:lol: WHAT??

And thanks for the kind quotes, Lord Arklon.
 

Admartian

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I'm also sick of (the majority or at least a huge chunk) games being catered for the hardcore gamer. Everything has to be "hard", and everything has to be "uber-hard" to please the bearded, skinny or ultra-fat, glasses wearing, pale, nasal-voiced geek that ends every sentence like there's a question mark at the end.

Lest they unleash their conspiracies and the Star Wars Kid upon us.

/end rant:roll:
 
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[QUOTE="TzarChasm, post: 0]This is just the type of thread I could dive headfirst into and collect infractions in.

I think I'll pass, on second thought.[/quote]

You're entitled to your opinion, buddy. Since you feel that your thoughts may be abrasive, then you surely have the composure to use some discretion. Why not speak your mind?

[QUOTE="LeisureSuitLarry, post: 0]I have a reading disorder which causes me to only see capitalized or highlighted words in long rants. So the only thing I got out of your post was:

"ELITISTS lay my eyeballs upon something rarely VERY RARELY RARELY and I think PS3 SCUMBAGS that will totally ruin the game means that you think the game will suck. F-U ***No serious person will tell you that graphics matter more than gameplay. Find me a serious quote saying exactly this and I'll retract this statement*** CRAP NEVER praise the visuals of a game again. it's meant to be such to show you how foolish your preaching about graphics really are"

BTW, I agree with every word.[/quote]

Sorry about that, heh heh. :mrgreen:

[QUOTE="pacojackson, post: 0]lol, y r u investing ur time posting a rant on a forum online?[/quote]

To vent.

[QUOTE="xBSGeorge, post: 0]Sadly its not just PS3 people, but people from all areas of gaming, PC, Wii, Xbox etc. Everyone has the right to an opinion, nothing wrong with having an opinion, but if said opinion involves bashing someone else, then you need to go back to whatever it is you do when your not here.[/quote]

Indeed...QFT. I was just referencing the PS3 side of the fence because it hits closer to home. All elitist are a nag though, I agree.
 

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[QUOTE="Lord Arklon, post: 0]@ Tetsu,

Fantastic post, and you're probably right...the bandwagon jumpers will probably never go away and carry their own legion of snobs whenever Sony's in a better position. I can't say it was anyone in particular that lit my fuse, but several characters who just can't live and let live.

Anyway....choice quotes:



:lol: Had to laugh at that, never thought about that. While this is true, I'm more concerned about the snobs from our community, because I'd say it affects us more from within. The PC snobs can say what they will, most of them aren't here, but I know what you mean.[/quote]
Actually, I think PC snobs are worst ones. Try discussing with them, and you get this feeling that you are talking to this almighty god who knows everything. I often get the impression that they think consoles are the gaming worlds scum. In short, they belong to the upper class, and we console gamers are simple minded cavemen who doesn't know any better. Heck, I'm not really sure what they're doing here, maybe they find us amusing. What do I know, I live in a cave.
Nihongo wakaru?
mochiron!
Which is perfectly fine. What irks me is the "graphics mean nothing, don't matter, etc." sort of talk. People only seem to like using it when they have an agenda to push. For example, their favorite game has uninspired visuals...here comes the excuse mobile in SIXTH GEAR...wish they would spare me the noise.
Yeah, I see that a lot. And even without as much as a drop of petrol, they can keep the debate going for pages, countering every argument with air..until people give up the thread or it gets locked.
They conveniently forget things like this...
Well, I'm neutral on this one. I prefer a power upgrade as well, but that's me.
[QUOTE="pacojackson, post: 0]lol, y r u investing ur time posting a rant on a forum online?[/QUOTE]
Why not focus on completing words before you start asking questions.
 
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GuitarrassDeAmor

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Didn't read all of your thing, because to me it looks like it is just repeating itself, but from what I read.......


Graphics can DEFINITELY RUIN A GAME. I HATE playing games with really bad graphics. One reason I won't own a Wii for a while is because graphics blow. The graphics are lower than PS2 games (Not all, because some look GREAT, but for example Cruisn'). I will not play a game with bad graphics and have fun.
Not saying that I won't play bad games, just don't like it. For example, I have been playing GTA III for the past 5 days NONSTOP because it is so fun, however, the graphics are sub-par, especially with me being used to PS3 game titles. But the game is very fun, and it was made for PS2, so the graphics are not going to blow you away. Thats like saying Mario for NES sucks because of graphics. IMO that is one of the best games, if not the best game, I have ever played (most fun).
Now that I have played through Uncharted multiple times, I am more picky about graphics, even playing on my SDTV. I now think other games as graphics being just bland and not as fluid as Uncharted was.
This is the sole reason I own a PS3 (well, this, and I am a Sony fanboy at heart :p) because the graphics and gameplay can only get better. I mean Uncharted....wow. Ratchet and Clank....wow. Gran Turismo.....wow.
It just gets better and better. Next-gen has made me realize that graphics can make or break a game. If graphics are sub-par, but gameplay is awesome, sure I will play it. But if graphics are sub-par, and gameplay is lacking, I will not have an enjoyable time.
 

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Even if the graphics don't matter to the "true gamer," they can make or break the decision to buy a game for the average joe gamer.
 

Tetsu

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Woops! I forgot one.
[QUOTE="Lord Arklon, post: 0]Nihongo wakaru?[/quote]
IE!! :lol:

Actually my brother is the one who's learning Nihonese. He has a Japanese fiance who's coming here in January. I use them as a resource for a few choice Japanese translations for an RPG I'm running based in feudal Japan.
 
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[QUOTE="Tetsu, post: 0]Woops! I forgot one.

IE!! :lol:

Actually my brother is the one who's learning Nihonese. He has a Japanese fiance who's coming here in January. I use them as a resource for a few choice Japanese translations for an RPG I'm running based in feudal Japan.[/QUOTE]
Sugoi. I'm still learning myself...after having lived here for nearly 3 years. :lol:

Anyway, I can help you find some good resources if you'd like.
 

GunTeng

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+rep for Kryton and :eek:rd Arklon.

I think you guys are perfectly correct when labels are used....no one likes to be labelled, expecially ones that do not truly decsribe them or their tastes.
Personally, I cannot see myself as a casual or hardcore gamer as I like a variety of games that fit what most claim these labels to mean.
I see myself predomiantly as a serious gamer.
I take my games seriously (to a point), I have fun trying to play games well & the way they were designed to be played.
In this way most of the games I favour are those that are most realistic in terms of graphics, character/vehicle design and movement.

But then, I also like what people would see as casual, but I see them as relaxing. Look at LBP for example, people would mold this as casual, but there will be people who will take it seriously and even become "hardcore" players by designing the best possible enviroment possible taht gives them the most enjoyment when playing.
This also touches on Seebs comment and backs it up somewhat.

Those people who take their gaming seriously & strive to make it the most enjoyable to play (IMO) can be considered hardcore.
So this would mean that the only hardcore gamers are infact developers. Those that make games what they are....so is it not a little presumptious to claim to be a hardcore gamer if you do nothing but play it?

There are too many discriptions for specific types of gamer & those descriptions will change depending on the game they are playing. And a games description will also change depending on how it is played.
So what description is givien to gamess as they are designed? I think it would be the same & as variable as a gamers tastes, yet for some reason we get people attempting to make them squeeze into a label that contradicts how a gamerowuld see it.

In all I think labels should be scrapped. They are misleading & a poor description of most games as far as I am concerned.
Say what you really think and stop trying to mold things into perfect little nutshells.
What you think or what you feel about a game is not wrong, but using a label that doesn't justify a game is wrong.