Rise of the Tomb Raider is not an Xbox One exclusive after all

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[QUOTE="GreatSpaceKoaster, post: 6370732] I'm just glad my platform of choice is not only getting it, but getting it first. Thanks Microsoft![/QUOTE]

You would've had Rise of the Tomb Raider, at exactly the same time, if Microsoft didn't pull off this deal. There's no need to thank them, they haven't done anything. This game was coming out anyway. All it's done is annoy PC and PS4/3 owners who would've bought it too. They now have to wait a year or so.
 
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[QUOTE="GreatSpaceKoaster, post: 6370764]No...I understand. It's just that this has been the norm for years with all parties guilty of this in one form or another.[/QUOTE]
You just side-stepped my question all together huh?

Well let my address your point about Xbox Live Gold. They way I see it. Ps+ started as a very lucrative freebie subscription. Sony hasn't given me a reason to cancel it yet. Then there are those defected from xbox to Ps4. Well they're already used to paying for online. Then Games with Gold happened. Does that still make me a hypocrite?
 
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[QUOTE="K2D, post: 6370783]You just side-stepped my question all together huh?

Well let my address your point about Xbox Live Gold. They way I see it. Ps+ started as a very lucrative freebie subscription. Sony hasn't given me a reason to cancel it yet. Then there are those defected from xbox to Ps4. Well they're already used to paying for online. Then Games with Gold happened. Does that still make me a hypocrite?[/QUOTE]

I didn't side-step your question. I mistakenly thought it was a rhetorical question.

I don't know the answer because I don't pay attention to what platforms everything is on. I usually concentrate on Xbox, PlayStation and PC.... in that order. I see if it comes out on Xbox first and only buy it on the other platforms if Xbox never gets it.

As for PS+? That was in response to your statement "it's the principle". I never asked you anything about it nor did I ever mention Xbox Live Gold. I was merely giving you an example of people that swore they would drop Sony just on pure principle for charging for online gaming, then turned around and paid it. Notice they nor anybody else complains about paying for online gaming anymore? It may be a great value with the free games. but at the end of the day they threw out principle and paid for online. Cuz you can't go online for gaming unless you pay.

That's why I'm surprised people are so mad about it.....still... when it's been going on for years. It's reality. Everything is a commodity. Especially in 3rd party gaming. They owe no loyalty to a platform and it's users. You hope for it, but it's not owed to us. If a company calculates it can make more or at least guarantee itself a certain amount of return on investment from a platform holder, as a business.... that just makes sense. Every 3rd party multi-platform game franchise is mult-platform until it's not. It's free market capitalism in every way. It's the system I love and why I don't feel the need to move elsewhere.
 
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This particular case it is not the way of things. Smaller studios get funding by a publisher out of dependency. You say that it happens all the time, but in this particular case you're wrong. Their not doing it in need of funding - Square is doing it to cash in on Ms' need for exclusivity.

Well, SE are free to squeeze their fans of their last penny, and their fans in turn are free to say f-off.

If I were them (CD and SE) I'd rather make a bet on 8th gen only. It's 15 million strong and hungry for something that wasn't released 10 years ago (namely RE: Remake QC)
 
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[QUOTE="thanatos144, post: 6370851]This was still a waste of money and a Bad idea all around. I loved the reboot but nowhere near enough to go out and buy a Xbox for it....If I wouldn't do it for gears or war why the hell would I do it for a sequel of a remake?[/QUOTE]

Gears of War, aint they going multiplatform with a new IP?? im sure i heard that somewhere lol but back on topic of course its a waste of money MS couldn't do anything else so threw money at SE/CD to sell consoles to a point just a PR stunt for SE to gain money as a timed exclusive if that true, but will still lose out on sales being on 1 console tbh there maths doesn't add up lol.
 
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[QUOTE="nextgen3, post: 6370855]Gears of War, aint they going multiplatform with a new IP?? im sure i heard that somewhere lol but back on topic of course its a waste of money MS couldn't do anything else so threw money at SE/CD to sell consoles to a point just a PR stunt for SE to gain money as a timed exclusive if that true, but will still lose out on sales being on 1 console tbh there maths doesn't add up lol.[/QUOTE]

Still not gears though is it????? With Mass effect on all consoles it was the only other game on 360 that interested me....I am not a giant Halo fan.
 
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I am not sure why anyone is surprised that there will be people upset / shocked / concerned by this news (or if you want to call it anger, sure, angered by it); now what I don't get is why the Xbox guys think it's because Microsoft is involved - like it is some sort of a prize MS won for them, something only someone deeply invested in the console war would care about. Like Nervatar said, why is it hard for you guys to imagine that it is genuine criticism / concern?

Do you guys get so swallowed up by the console war that it is impossible for you to see past it?

This was a stupid move no matter how you look at it. If you happen to have both or the one the game will show up on, yeah it doesn't really affect you but those are the guys I see here saying how this news matters more than people expressing concern seem to think.
 
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[QUOTE="Two4DaMoney, post: 6370704]Yeah, software can still be sold pretty decently. You keep talking about this fanbase as if this title is going to make the ps3/ps4/pc owners go out and buy a xbone. No. Not going to happen. Tomb raider is not that big of a series.

edit:Where are the titanfall figures from? Never seen EA announce it.


Here's where you're so wrong. You don't buy timed exclusives rights without intentions of moving a lot more consoles than your competition. Otherwise it's money wasted and that's what has happened here.

It's good that you can play it. It's a failed execution for MS if it doesn't sell more xbones than the ps4 during that month(since it's such a "big" title).[/QUOTE]
I really don't care what other people go out and buy. I know i like TR and its coming to the console I have. That's all that really matters to me. As far as money being wasted , its not my money so I couldn't care less. Its their issue not mine. I'm sure MS can afford it this deal regardless of how it turns out. Those that can, will. Those that can't, won't. I can't get mad cause MS have billions to spend.
 
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Be mad at the publisher or is it developer that agreed to this deal, they could have easily said no, but instead they said yes and dollar signs lit up their eyes along with the sound of a cash register.

[video=youtube_share;e_hsSCcOySY]http://youtu.be/e_hsSCcOySY[/video]
 
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jacked from gaf



“Right now we have a relationship with Square and Crystal on publishing the game,” Spencer confirmed. “The exact details of what publishing means and when it gets done are part of that deal - I’m not trying to be opaque about it. We will clearly spend money on marketing the game, there’s no doubt about that. And we do [that] on games where we have very little to do with development, and with games that we fully develop. And we will definitely be spending money on developing the game - I want to make sure that it’s as great as it can be.”
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http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2014/08/13/xboxs-phil-spencer-responds-tomb-raider-exclusivity-questions
 
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[QUOTE="Sub-stance1, post: 6370690]Your mistaken if you think MS isnt gonna advertise the heck out of this game. This isnt just some last gen port like before. This is a new game built on next gen hardware.[/QUOTE]

I don't get what you are trying to defend here. lol.

It is a timed exclusive. Not really a big win for Xbox, no matter what you are say...
 
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[QUOTE="AttackTitan, post: 6371167]I don't get what you are trying to defend here. lol[/QUOTE]

Not defending anything. Tomb Raider is releasing on xbox first. That pretty much covers it . It is what it is.

t is a timed exclusive. Not really a big win for Xbox, no matter what you are say...
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Its not a loss either. Its a win for me because I like Tomb Raider and I have xbox one.
 
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[QUOTE="Sub-stance1, post: 6371173]Not defending anything. Tomb Raider is releasing on xbox first. That pretty much covers it . It is what it is.



Its not a loss either. Its a win for me because I like Tomb Raider and I have xbox one.[/QUOTE]

no difference for you if it wasn't a timed exclusive so it is moot. no win. no loss.
 
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[QUOTE="nextgen3, post: 6369889][video=youtube_share;X-U2g99Y8_Y]http://youtu.be/X-U2g99Y8_Y?list=UUsgv2QHkT2ljEixyulzOnUQ[/video][/QUOTE]

He has a point. I really don't care too much because I wasn't clamoring over this but what he said makes every bit of sense.
 
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[QUOTE="Christopher, post: 6371197]no difference for you if it wasn't a timed exclusive so it is moot. no win. no loss.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I wanted Tomb Raider regardless of where else it goes. So you can say its not a win, but I don't see it that way. The game is coming to the console i own first means i wont have to wait or spend any more on another console just to play it. I don't have ps4 yet so i'm not losing out on anything when it comes to the game.


[QUOTE="PS4freak, post: 6371200]He has a point. I really don't care too much because I wasn't clamoring over this but what he said makes every bit of sense.[/QUOTE]

lol...I think its hilarious. Its really not that serious.
 
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[QUOTE="thanatos144, post: 6371205]IT is a slapto the face of all who didn't own a Xbox and supported th reboot which was a $#@!ing awesome game. Crystal or square should have had the integrity to tell Microsoft to piss up a rope. What ever they paid wont be enough

Tapatalk[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that SE is getting something out of this that makes it worth it. For all we know MS could be helping out with the funding of the project. We will have to wait and see how this all plays out. So ps4 gamers get their Uncharted and Xbox one gamers get Tomb Raider. The ones who own both get the best of both worlds.
 
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[QUOTE="thanatos144, post: 6371205]IT is a slapto the face of all who didn't own a Xbox and supported th reboot which was a $#@!ing awesome game. Crystal or square should have had the integrity to tell Microsoft to piss up a rope. What ever they paid wont be enough

Tapatalk[/QUOTE]

I do wonder if it wouldn't have got a game at all though.
If they really are at the point they need someone like MS to help bankroll it.
Then maybe better to have a timed exclusive than no game at all maybe.
I don't see why they would need to do this otherwise.
 
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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 6371212]I do wonder if it wouldn't have got a game at all though.
If they really are at the point they need someone like MS to help bankroll it.
Then maybe better to have a timed exclusive than no game at all maybe.
I don't see why they would need to do this otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I really think MS may be helping them out in some sort of way where it was hard for them to say no. I really believe MS could be helping with the cost of development in some sort of way.
 
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[QUOTE="Two4DaMoney, post: 6371218]MS is funding some of the development. I posted it on the other page[/QUOTE]
Well that explains it. Its like Mynd said, "better a time exclusive than no game at all".
 
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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6371223]Think of it as the Xboxers are the play test group and are testing it out for the systems that actually matter.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you will hear much complaining from xbx one owners. Its a sweet deal and the end result is they get to play a new Tomb Raider first.
 
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[QUOTE="Sub-stance1, post: 6371224]I don't think you will hear much complaining from xbx one owners. Its a sweet deal and the end result is they get to play a new Tomb Raider first.[/QUOTE]

Wow that sounds selfish when you think about it.
 
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