Rumour: PS4 Specs Leaked, APU Codenamed “Liverpool”

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5981957]Both consoles are using AMD's Jaguar cores (supposedly ofcourse) so both consoles are more similar that ever before with RAM and bandwidth being the only significant difference.

Port heaven[/QUOTE]

I am hoping this is true! That is one thing that has annoyed me so bad with the ports this generation, the quality of those games either flopped one way or the other, it would be great to have identical or near identical versions on both systems.
 

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GPUs for both are also rumored to be AMD 8xxx series. However there are custom modifications to those parts that make direct comparisons to a desktop PC invalid. Things are looking good. Maybe we'll see a leak in feburary after the playstation destination event
 

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5981968]GPUs for both are also rumored to be AMD 8xxx series. However there are custom modifications to those parts that make direct comparisons to a desktop PC invalid. Things are looking good. Maybe we'll see a leak in feburary after the playstation destination event[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;Q8rNb1BAXxU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rNb1BAXxU[/video]
 
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[QUOTE="MonkeyClaw, post: 5981955]Nintendo is boxing themselves out! After seeing that price tag of the WiiU and seeing the dismal hardware sales over the holiday season, unless they change something they will be severely hurting once Sony & Microsoft's next gen systems come out...[/QUOTE]

I agree, and doesnt help that nintendo seems oblivously to this fact
 

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5981968]GPUs for both are also rumored to be AMD 8xxx series. However there are custom modifications to those parts that make direct comparisons to a desktop PC invalid. Things are looking good. Maybe we'll see a leak in feburary after the playstation destination event[/QUOTE]

Firstly, I've heard nothing about the 720 using anything other than IBM not AMD, well nothing that wasn't completely a guess. The more reliable rumours (if there is such a thing) all point to IBM, but who knows.

Ive heard nothing about PS4 using 88xx GPUs?
 
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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 5981993]Firstly, I've heard nothing about the 720 using anything other than IBM not AMD, well nothing that wasn't completely a guess. The more reliable rumours (if there is such a thing) all point to IBM, but who knows.

Ive heard nothing about PS4 using 88xx GPUs?[/QUOTE]

I didnt think any company was using IBM tech next gen, the dev kits might of had them, but doesnt mean retail units will.

and yeah a leaked chinese blog posted ps4 specs which included an 8800 series
 

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[QUOTE="Chille, post: 5982000]I didnt think any company was using IBM tech next gen, the dev kits might of had them, but doesnt mean retail units will.

and yeah a leaked chinese blog posted ps4 specs which included an 8800 series[/QUOTE]

Al rumors have pointed to a Power 7 in the 720 that I have read.
As for the PS4, you have a link, because I cant find one by googling it.
I keep hearing 79xx for the PS4.
 
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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 5982018]Al rumors have pointed to a Power 7 in the 720 that I have read.
As for the PS4, you have a link, because I cant find one by gogling it.[/QUOTE]
Werid i cant find the article i read, but this seems very intresting http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2012/11/01/report-ps4-dev-kits-surface-details-inside

also sony is possible showing off ps4 next month during a closed event, id be suprised if theres no leaks
 
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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 5982023]If the go APU+GPU, then they probably don't need a 8xxx model GPU anyway.[/QUOTE]

itl be an mobile gpu, they will probably have the apu gpu to do the shaders and complex effect and have a main gpu to do the brute force work
 
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[QUOTE="Chille, post: 5982027]itl be an mobile gpu, they will probably have the apu gpu to do the shaders and complex effect and have a main gpu to the brute force work[/QUOTE]

Really depends on how its all put together, at the end of the day, the one who makes this thing the most flexible/efficient in the way its put together, its the real winner. Look at how MS dealt with bus bottlenecks last time. Gave them a rendering win all round.

This guy, has yet to be proven wrong in his specs, even if some of th details might be a bit wrong.....

http://pastebin.com/j4jVaUv0
 
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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 5982032]Really depends on how its all put together, at the end of the day, the one who makes this thing the most flexible/efficient in the way its put together, its the real winner. Look at how MS dealt with bus bottlenecks last time. Gave them a rendering win all round.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, its gonna be intresting to see how this all plays out, il be buying a ps4 at launch.
 

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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 5982023]If the go APU+GPU, then they probably don't need a 8xxx model GPU anyway.[/QUOTE]

The 88xx series GPU is mobile version for inside the APU in ps4 (speculation ofcourse) and yeah you are correct that rumours for ps4 only said 7xxx series but there is a strong chance those were 'dev kits specs' and not the target ones. for devs kits you use what you have to simulate the final version.

Again, all speculation. Fun fact AMD rebranded all 7000 series to 8000 for OEM versions
http://www.techtree.com/content/new...8000-series-mobile-desktop-graphics-oems.html
 
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I doubt the rumor is true. The PlayStation 4 will have to support 4K resolution to even be on par with other platforms (Razer & Shield).
 

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[QUOTE="JustinPinter, post: 5982167]I doubt the rumor is true. The PlayStation 4 will have to support 4K resolution to even be on par with other platforms (Razer & Shield).[/QUOTE]

ROFL, no. Just no.
Why the hell would they support 4k resolution?
If you think shield is on a par you have another thing coming.
 
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[QUOTE="mynd, post: 5982168]ROFL, no. Just no.
Why the hell would they support 4k resolution?
If you think shield is on a par you have another thing coming.[/QUOTE]

Ps4 will support 4k resolution, but i dont think for games, only for movies
 

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[QUOTE="Chille, post: 5982268]Ps4 will support 4k resolution, but i dont think for games, only for movies[/QUOTE]

This ^^


Most PS3/XBOX games aren't even 1080p Standard .not to mention that Ultra HD isn't even Mainstream yet.
 

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[QUOTE="Chille, post: 5982268]Ps4 will support 4k resolution, but i dont think for games, only for movies[/QUOTE]

If they do support 4K for games, it will only be for games similar to what you would see on mobile devices...don't expect Call Of Duty to show up at 4K resolutions, but Angry Bird Super Star Wars Mega Wookie Space Edition...sure, I could see that running at 4K on the next gen systems.
 
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[QUOTE="MonkeyClaw, post: 5982305]If they do support 4K for games, it will only be for games similar to what you would see on mobile devices...don't expect Call Of Duty to show up at 4K resolutions, but Angry Bird Super Star Wars Mega Wookie Space Edition...sure, I could see that running at 4K on the next gen systems.[/QUOTE]

That game sounds awesome, how much?
 

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It would be a waste of power to do 4k games even if they could. They should be smart and stick with 720p 30fps/maybe 60fps.
 

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Isn't a GPU an APU? I honestly don't get why they are calling the CPU an APU. APU just sounds like a tossed up term with no real meaning. In the end, I am sure that the Playstation will go with a standard non-OOOE from IMB as they have always.
 

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[QUOTE="Two4DaMoney, post: 5982350]It would be a waste of power to do 4k games even if they could. They should be smart and stick with 720p 30fps/maybe 60fps.[/QUOTE]

or 1600 x 900 resolution. Its between 1080p and 720p, but I I think it should be 1080p as standard. Every TV now is coming in 1080p, manufacturers are ceasing 720p panel production, PCs are doing 1080p for years so its time to move on.

Ofcourse you'll always have more power left with less pixels on screen
 

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5982354]or 1600 x 900 resolution. Its between 1080p and 720p, but I I think it should be 1080p as standard. Every TV now is coming in 1080p, manufacturers are ceasing 720p panel production, PCs are doing 1080p for years so its time to move on.

Ofcourse you'll always have more power left with less pixels on screen[/QUOTE]Of course pc's are doing it because they aren't closed off. You can upgrade them. And I know it'll be more power due to less pixels which is why I stated it. The thing is, most people aren't going to be able to tell a difference. And those that can tell a difference isn't a big enough voice to be heard. They're either going to bite the bullet and buy the system anyways or stick to pc gaming.

We still have devs that can't hit 720p this gen. Hell, tbh, devs could do 1080p now(which I'm sure you know) but that is nowhere near worth it because the graphics would suffer. Not only would the 1080p supporters be upset, everyone would. The same sort of outlook will continue next gen because it just isn't worth it shooting for yet. PS5, maybe.

[video=youtube;d_gATFCmb6k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_gATFCmb6k[/video]

Show this to the average non pc gaming console player and he won't tell you anything that's different until it's zoomed in. And that's not adding in the fact that these gamers won't have a comparison side by side like this. That's too much power to lose on a closed off system with only little to show for it.
 

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You can't really post a compressed YouTube video to show the difference. A 720p screenshot blown up to 1080p and compared to a native 1080p screenshot would be a better comparison.
 

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[QUOTE="Foraeli, post: 5982393]You can't really post a compressed YouTube video to show the difference. A 720p screenshot blown up to 1080p and compared to a native 1080p screenshot would be a better comparison.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention on a large TV screen! I personally can easily tell when something is not running at 1080p, when I play something that is 1080p the image is crisp and clean on my TV, but if you pop in something that isn't (while the visuals are still nice) it is not as sharp and has a slight blur to it because of the upscaling. I hope they set 1080p as a standard, depending on the game I can deal with 30fps, but I would hope they would try to make 1080/60fps the standard for this generation...and I know there are people out there that are going to argue against me, but you have to start somewhere! How happy would you be if you bought a blu-ray movie and went home to watch it to find out they decided to only do that movie at 720p and their excuse was because they felt that nobody could tell the difference between 720p and 1080p? I would be pissed! The same thing should be with games...
 

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1. Just because casuals won't notice doesn't mean we shouldn't move on
2. If next gen doesn't do 1080p than I expect agni visuals at 720p and nothing less
3. more important than 1080p is higher res textures and shadow resolutions. Have you seen 4k textures in games like skyrim and Mass effect? Even the most oblivious gamer can tell the difference














One needs to be blind to not see the difference. I'm tired of aliasing and flickering low res shadows and muddy textures. I expect a jump worthy a new generation. They will have to compete with PCs or steam will over take them and they know it. And from the rumoured specs, it seems we are getting very capable machines
 

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5982406]1. Just because casuals won't notice doesn't mean we shouldn't move on
2. If next gen doesn't do 1080p than I expect agni visuals at 720p and nothing less
3. more important than 1080p is higher res textures and shadow resolutions. Have you seen 4k textures in games like skyrim and Mass effect? Even the most oblivious gamer can tell the difference














One needs to be blind to not see the difference. I'm tired of aliasing and flickering low res shadows and muddy textures. I expect a jump worthy a new generation. They will have to compete with PCs or steam will over take them and they know it. And from the rumoured specs, it seems we are getting very capable machines[/QUOTE]

I 100% agree with you! If we go with Two4DaMoney's logic, why not just do everything at 480p and have even more visuals since most people won't be able to tell...this next gen really needs to be 1080p with the higher res textures! Although I would love to see programs like Google Earth or simplistic 2D/3D games running at 4K, stuff like that would look amazing on the new sets when they become the norm!
 

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[QUOTE="Two4DaMoney, post: 5982350]It would be a waste of power to do 4k games even if they could. They should be smart and stick with 720p 30fps/maybe 60fps.[/QUOTE]

Thats what we have in our current gen. I dont need this crap anymore in next generation, no thanks.