US government to sue Lance Armstrong

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He should have kept his big trap shut. I guess he thought the people would have sympathy and it would all blow over and go away.

What a snakey slimey weasel of a man he is.

The US government has joined a lawsuit against Lance Armstrong after talks with his lawyers broke down.
The suit argues Armstrong defrauded the American public by insisting he was not using drugs while riding for the publicly funded US Postal Service team.
Last month, Armstrong admitted using performance-enhancing drugs during all seven of his Tour de France wins.
The suit, filed by his former team-mate Floyd Landis, aims to recover sponsorship money from Armstrong.
"Lance Armstrong and his cycling team took more than $30m from the US Postal Service based on their contractual promise to play fair and abide by the rules - including the rules against doping," said Ronald C Machen Jr, US Attorney for the District of Columbia.


"The Postal Service has now seen its sponsorship unfairly associated with what has been described as 'the most sophisticated, professionalised, and successful doping programme that sport has ever seen'.
"This lawsuit is designed to help the Postal Service recoup the tens of millions of dollars it paid out based on years of broken promises.
"In today's economic climate, the Postal Service is simply not in a position to allow Lance Armstrong or any of the other defendants to walk away with the tens of millions of dollars they illegitimately procured."
Armstrong's legal team had tried to convince the US government not to join the so-called 'whistleblowing' lawsuit filed by Landis, who himself admitted using drugs throughout his career.
"Lance and his representatives worked constructively over these last weeks with federal lawyers to resolve this case fairly, but those talks failed because we disagree about whether the Postal Service was damaged," said Armstrong's counsel Robert Luskin.
"The Postal Services's own studies show that the Service benefited tremendously from its sponsorship - benefits totalling more than $100m."
By flagging up allegations of fraud, Landis could receive a substantial share of any money recovered from Armstrong under the federal False Claims Act. The law, introduced by President Lincoln in 1863, stipulates the person bringing the lawsuit can receive 15-25% of any damages.
Armstrong ended years of denial in January during an interview with chat show host Oprah Winfrey in which he described doping as part of the process of winning the Tour.
The 41-year-old has since said he will not agree to be interviewed under oath by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (Usada).
Armstrong was charged by Usada in June 2012 with using performance-enhancing drugs.
He filed a lawsuit against the organisation the following month, accusing it of "corrupt inducements" to other cyclists to testify against him.
However, Armstrong then announced in August that he would not fight the doping charges filed against him, and was given a life ban by Usada and stripped of his Tour de France titles.
Armstrong won seven Tour de France titles between 1999 and 2005. The US Postal Service sponsored the team between 1996 and 2004.
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So glad this cunt has lost his legacy and will go down in history as a fraud. Fucking asshole...Good job! :D
 
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[QUOTE="PeanutButterMunky, post: 6022517]I'm sorry but "performance-enhancing" drugs do not give you talent.[/QUOTE]

True, but it does give u an edge in physical abilities and what Amstrong does for a living( or any other sport ) require no/minimal amount of talent. Just mainly physical abilities, and that is why I still don't understand why Athletes get pay more than Engineers.:dejection:
 

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[QUOTE="reasonable_doubt, post: 6022593]True, but it does give u an edge in physical abilities and what Amstrong does for a living( or any other sport ) require no/minimal amount of talent. Just mainly physical abilities, and that is why I still don't understand why Athletes get pay more than Engineers.:dejection:[/QUOTE]
Just to let you know, Lance Armstrong wasn't the only person doing "performance-enhancing drugs" when he was competing. He is a douche nozzle, though.

Athletes and movie stars are horribly overpaid.
 

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[QUOTE="PeanutButterMunky, post: 6022517]I'm sorry but "performance-enhancing" drugs do not give you talent.[/QUOTE]

You are right they do not there has to be at least some talent there.
What they are is a crutch for those that do not want to go the extra mile to gain the edge so they juice themselves up.

Just to let you know, Lance Armstrong wasn't the only person doing "performance-enhancing drugs" when he was competing. He is a douche nozzle, though.
He wasnt the only one but he went to ridiculous lengths to protect his image suing anyone that accused him even his friends and he was involved in "the most sophisticated, professionalised and successful doping programme that sport has ever seen".
With reports of team mate saying he pressured them into taking drugs or he will have them removed from the squad.

There is a word for people like him. Narcissist I think fits him well.
 
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Lance days have been numbered for a while. When the Feds got hold of Cheryl Crow I knew it wouldn't be long before he would fall. She knew he was juicing and her statement after he confessed proves it.
 

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can we let this guy be ?? this guy bike to the moon and singed this is a wonderful world at the same damn time
 

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[QUOTE="djpenny, post: 6023009]can we let this guy be ?? this guy bike to the moon and singed this is a wonderful world at the same damn time[/QUOTE]

I he didn't do what he did do then these governing bodies wouldn't do what they have to do.
 
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[QUOTE="Sylar, post: 6023007]nice one karma[/QUOTE]

Not a product of karma. The cancer was but not his getting caught.
 
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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6022820]You are right they do not there has to be at least some talent there.
What they are is a crutch for those that do not want to go the extra mile to gain the edge so they juice themselves up.


He wasnt the only one but he went to ridiculous lengths to protect his image suing anyone that accused him even his friends and he was involved in "the most sophisticated, professionalised and successful doping programme that sport has ever seen".
With reports of team mate saying he pressured them into taking drugs or he will have them removed from the squad.

There is a word for people like him. Narcissist I think fits him well.[/QUOTE]

and what might that be?

99% of athletes in every sport are on peds. nba, nfl, baseball, cricket, ufc/mma etc. a friend of mine who is natural was contacted by a large company asking him to became a representative for them a.k.a sponsorships. but only under the condition that he starts taking AAS but claim that he's natural. once you publicly say you aren't natural and take/taken steroids, you're automatically put on the blacklist for sponsors.

how is lance narcissistic? he likes competitive cycling and had ambitions to get to the top and he was willing to do whatever it takes. in hollywood actresses (im not sure about the guys) have to fuck their way to the top. in professional sport they have to take peds. how else do you think records are being broken every year?

the only reason why lance is getting all the shit for it is because he's the one coming first. all the people that lost to him want to get rid of the competition not because they want a fair race.

all of the pressure put on athletes to give a good performance and do things the human body wouldn't ever be capable of doing naturally was put on by the audience and the money that they'd be willing to spend to go across the world to see them perform.
 
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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6022820]You are right they do not there has to be at least some talent there.
What they are is a crutch for those that do not want to go the extra mile to gain the edge so they juice themselves up.[/QUOTE]
They're not a crutch, nor are they some miracle magic. If someone sucks they're going to suck even after juicing. Talent isn't a small part of it, it's a large part of it.

It's kind of like Venom's embryonic alien suit. When it left him and attached itself to Spidey, Spidey got some enhanced powers, but he was still the same size and wasn't really all that much better. But attached to Eddy Brock, Eddy Brock became a huge effing beast because he was an Olympic weightlifter in his normal life. The suit only served to enhance what was already there.

I thank you for taking the time to read my nerdy analogy.

Now here's an awesome image of Venom and Carnage molesting Spider-Man and Iron Man:

 

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[QUOTE="x6teen3, post: 6023613]and what might that be?[/QUOTE]

The aggregation of marginal gains.


[QUOTE="PeanutButterMunky, post: 6023648]They're not a crutch, nor are they some miracle magic. If someone sucks they're going to suck even after juicing. Talent isn't a small part of it, it's a large part of it.

It's kind of like Venom's embryonic alien suit. When it left him and attached itself to Spidey, Spidey got some enhanced powers, but he was still the same size and wasn't really all that much better. But attached to Eddy Brock, Eddy Brock became a huge effing beast because he was an Olympic weightlifter in his normal life. The suit only served to enhance what was already there.

I thank you for taking the time to read my nerdy analogy.

Now here's an awesome image of Venom and Carnage molesting Spider-Man and Iron Man:

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They are a crutch.
A "clean" person will have to put a lot more effort into the training to gain a tenth per lap than if they were on the drugs.
If they didn't make it easier and enhance performance people wouldn't use them.
 
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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6024027]They are a crutch.
A "clean" person will have to put a lot more effort into the training to gain a tenth per lap than if they were on the drugs.
If they didn't make it easier and enhance performance people wouldn't use them.[/QUOTE]
-sigh-
 

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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6026177]I think you guys use such things. Thats what I think.[/QUOTE]
Profound. Truly.
 

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Meanwhile in baseball all performance enhancing people,keep millions from,sponsors and stay in hof

on tap a talk on LG g2 and I suck at typing on phones so forgive my typo errors.
 

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[QUOTE="Yuuichi, post: 6325750]Meanwhile in baseball all performance enhancing people,keep millions from,sponsors and stay in hof

on tap a talk on LG g2 and I suck at typing on phones so forgive my typo errors.[/QUOTE]

That and the NFL. Today we have designer steroids that are undetectable 24 hours after they go in.



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[QUOTE="Yuuichi, post: 6325750]Meanwhile in baseball all performance enhancing people,keep millions from,sponsors and stay in hof

on tap a talk on LG g2 and I suck at typing on phones so forgive my typo errors.[/QUOTE]

LOL baseball. That is like darts players or snooker players juicing.
 

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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6024027]The aggregation of marginal gains.






They are a crutch.
A "clean" person will have to put a lot more effort into the training to gain a tenth per lap than if they were on the drugs.
If they didn't make it easier and enhance performance people wouldn't use them.[/QUOTE]

Not strictly true.. From what I understand the way they are used at the highest level of sport is totally different to the way they are used by fat lazy people who hang out at the gym for a few hours a week and want to get the maximum effect for as little effort as possible.. It ain't a matter of being lazy, it's a way to boost your performance past that of what you could gain naturally.
 

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[QUOTE="Malt, post: 6325796]Not strictly true.. From what I understand the way they are used at the highest level of sport is totally different to the way they are used by fat lazy people who hang out at the gym for a few hours a week and want to get the maximum effect for as little effort as possible.. It ain't a matter of being lazy, it's a way to boost your performance past that of what you could gain naturally.[/QUOTE]

An athlete can gain that performance naturally but it just takes more effort and time.
 

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[QUOTE="keefy, post: 6325798]An athlete can gain that performance naturally but it just takes more effort and time.[/QUOTE]

Every single person ever born will hit a plateaux where they absolutely will not get any bigger, faster better, etc and no amount of extra training will make a difference. You can only max yourself out as far as your genetics will allow, the people who use performance enhancing drugs at the very highest level do so when they hit that plateaux to artificially increase their capacity. They are already pushing themselves to their limits with training, nutrition, legal supplements, etc. Its not possible to put more time and effort in than they are already doing..