VGleaks Orbis

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One week ago we published a
detailed report about Durango, the next-gen Microsoft system. The company has built a powerful system, more than Wii U. Now, we would like to share with you the specs for Orbis, Sony’s alternative machine for the next-gen. After you gents and ladies.
LIVERPOOL SOC

  • Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)
  • Provides good performance with low power consumtion
  • Integrated CPU and GPU
  • Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs


CPU:

  • Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”
  • Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache
  • 256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU
  • SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)
  • One hardware thread per core
  • Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle
  • Out of order execution
  • Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)
  • Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance
  • 102.4 GFlops for system

GPU:

  • GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture
  • DirectX 11.1+ feature set
  • Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture
  • 18 Compute Units (CUs)
  • Hardware balanced at 14 CUs
  • Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache
  • 800 Mhz
  • 1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s
  • Dual shader engines
  • 18 texture units
  • 8 Render backends

Memory:

  • 4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s
  • 3.5 available to games (estimate)

Storage:
- High speed Blu-ray drive

  • single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs
  • Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)
  • Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)
  • Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x

- Internal mass storage

  • One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD
  • There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future

Networking:

  • 1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth

Peripherals:

  • Evolved Dualshock controller
  • Dual Camera
  • Move controller

Extra:

  • Audio Processor (ACP)
  • Video encode and decode (VCE/UVD) units
  • Display ScanOut Engine (DCE)
  • Zlib Decompression Hardware

All this info is subject to change in the future by Sony.
So, we have a new technical war between Durango and Orbis. Which one will be better? Discuss. Leave a comment please.

We will give more detailed information about each component in future articles.



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http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-orbis-unveiled/
 

robvandam111

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This is starting to be like Presidential Eleictions all over again. Wait until the PS4 release, then they're already talking about the PlayStation 5.
 

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nothing really new here (again), except 1 sku, HDD size and a bandwidth downgrade that was already leaked on gaf.

apparently the 8rops is a 'mistake', or phrased incorrectly, and the 14+4 CUs means that 4 are reserved for something that noone seems to understand.
 

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[QUOTE="radgamer420, post: 5996034]Direct X 11 on a Sony console?[/QUOTE]
Directx 11.1 feature set = all features of dx11.1 but obviously with OpenGL
[QUOTE="DeviousOne, post: 5996035]I may be wrong and please correct me if I am but are the architecture of both of MS and sony next gen consoles similar??[/QUOTE]

yeah they are. Word is both consoles will be even closer than this gen
 

Vulgotha

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Eh.. In terms of technology being used the rumors say they are definitely similar. But in performance? No. There is a substantial gap between the two in Orbis' favor.
 

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[QUOTE="Vulgotha, post: 5996061]Eh.. In terms of technology being used the rumors say they are definitely similar. But in performance? No. There is a substantial gap between the two in Orbis' favor.[/QUOTE] Meh. All rumors. I seriously doubt that MS is going to release a significantly weaker console than Sony. Sounds like fanboy fantasy to me. I'll wait for official word from both companies. I cant see MS shooting themselves in the foot like that unless they were going to go the total Wii route.
 
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[QUOTE="radgamer420, post: 5996070]Meh. All rumors. I seriously doubt that MS is going to release a significantly weaker console than Sony. Sounds like fanboy fantasy to me. I'll wait for official word from both companies.[/QUOTE]

Rad this is like the 3rd source with the same specs, 360 guys were waiting to hear from VGleaks because they didn't believe the Orbis specs and you've just repeated the exact same thing what was said 2 weeks ago, sounds more like a fanboy nightmare to me.
don't know why, MS only ever had one powerful console & that was released 24 months after the PS2 so the Xbox wasn't really powerful considering.
 

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[QUOTE="TGO, post: 5996084]Rad this is like the 3rd source with the same specs, 360 guys were waiting to hear from VGleaks because they didn't believe the Orbis specs and you've just repeated the exact same thing what was said 2 weeks ago, sounds more like a fanboy nightmare to me. don't know why, MS only ever had one powerful console & that was released 24 months after the PS2 so the Xbox wasn't really powerful considering.[/QUOTE] lol What? Xbox was way more powerful than PS2 and 360 is on par with PS3 so what do you mean MS only had one powerful console? By that logic Sony only ever had one powerful console as well. Ridiculous. And I'm not saying its impossible PS4 will be more powerful but its just kind of hard for me to picture after seeing how close the two HD consoles are this gen. Really not a big deal to me anyway because I've already been heavily leaning towards going PS4 only next gen anyway.
 
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[QUOTE="Vulgotha, post: 5996061]Eh.. In terms of technology being used the rumors say they are definitely similar. But in performance? No. There is a substantial gap between the two in Orbis' favor.[/QUOTE]

Whenever someone says orbis will be more powerful, MS fans say "well durango haz the secret sauce" referring to the 4 special hardware blocks (two of which are used to kinect voice and video encoding). Now if the 2 blocks and the 32mb ESRAM can bridge the gap in computing power and bandwidth remains to be seen
 

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5996107]Whenever someone says orbis will be more powerful, MS fans say "well durango haz the secret sauce" referring to the 4 special hardware blocks (two of which are used to kinect voice and video encoding). Now if the 2 blocks and the 32mb ESRAM can bridge the gap in computing power and bandwidth remains to be seen[/QUOTE] [email protected] secret sauce.
 

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[QUOTE="radgamer420, post: 5996111][email protected] secret sauce.[/QUOTE]

The new term is 'Wizard Jizz' as called by the gaffers

There's an update to the GPU details
UPDATE: some people are confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:

Each CU contains dedicated:

- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)

- Texture Unit

- L1 data cache

- Local data share (LDS)

About 14 + 4 balance:

- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute

- Minor boost if used for rendering

Dual Shader Engines:

- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s

18 Texture units

- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s

- Can utilize full memory bandwith

8 Render backends:

- 32 color ops/cycle

- 128 depth ops/cycle

- Can utilize full memory bandwith
 
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Impressive specs if true. Nobody knows what each console will have or which will be more powerful. It the end it won't even matter what's inside. Its how they use it.
 

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[QUOTE="J3ff3, post: 5996043]nothing really new here (again), except 1 sku, HDD size and a bandwidth downgrade that was already leaked on gaf.

apparently the 8rops is a 'mistake', or phrased incorrectly, and the 14+4 CUs means that 4 are reserved for something that noone seems to understand.[/QUOTE]


The other 4 are said to help the CPU, this will allow things like cloth physics, destruction, physx stuff be a lot smoother and mroe capable.
It will allow the CPU to do more stuff basically.
 

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[QUOTE="Sub-stance1, post: 5996115]Impressive specs if true. Nobody knows what each console will have or which will be more powerful. It the end it won't even matter what's inside. Its how they use it.[/QUOTE] Thats what SHE said. lol
 

Vulgotha

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[QUOTE="radgamer420, post: 5996070]Meh. All rumors. I seriously doubt that MS is going to release a significantly weaker console than Sony. Sounds like fanboy fantasy to me. I'll wait for official word from both companies. I cant see MS shooting themselves in the foot like that unless they were going to go the total Wii route.[/QUOTE]

Why not?

It's not like they're just shaving off $$$. Rumor is the current plan is to include Kinect 2.0 in every box. That cost has to come from somewhere, and unless they're going to charge a higher cost they're going to need to cut cost of each unit.

Possibly, MS is banking on more features out of the box like possible constant skype video chat in game, Kinect 2.0 features, DVR, and other stuff. This is probably a big reason why they put in so much RAM into the box and then reserved a ton of it for non-gaming tasks (3GB of the 8GB total).

And why the rumors peg the GPU as being slightly weaker, and having 1-2CPU cores reserved all the time for the OS.

So they might not put out the 'best' looking games, but they can bank on the differences not being night and day, developers hitting the lowest common denominator, and their box having the most amount of features the second you plug it in.

Don't get me wrong, I see the allure and the point there. But I'd rather have a more robust gaming box that can do most of what I want it to (Blu-Ray, Netflix, various apps) then a weaker one that has a stronger focus on multimedia. But I'm one guy, and admittedly I'm a rare bird in that I'm a tech enthusiast.

Kinect does not interest me. Maybe Kinect 2.0 will, but I have my doubts. If anything I'd get Kinect and plug it into my PC and use some of the sick ass mods the PC crowd has made for it.
 
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mistercrow

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Yeah I'm not interested in Kinect either. I too would rather have a more robust gaming box plus free online so thats why I'm leaning towards PS4 heavily. And yeah like I've said before it will be Sony 1st party developers that will really make PS4 stretch its legs. Most 3rd party will strive for console parity. But alot of the other stuff youre saying is pure speculation. Sorry but until I hear from Sony and MS I just dont see MS being dumb enough to release a gimped console next gen after making a console on par with PS3 this gen and way more powerful than PS2 last gen. Just doesn't make any sense.
 
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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5996107]Whenever someone says orbis will be more powerful, MS fans say "well durango haz the secret sauce" referring to the 4 special hardware blocks (two of which are used to kinect voice and video encoding). Now if the 2 blocks and the 32mb ESRAM can bridge the gap in computing power and bandwidth remains to be seen[/QUOTE]

Uh You are wrong my friend those four blocks has nothing to do with kinect.
 

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To be honest I do kinda see MS shooting themselves in the foot with all those features
Why?
My TV already does that while I'm on my PS3
Facebook, Skype, Netflix, DVR...I can even watch TV or be on Facebook at the same time on the same screen while playing COD
TV's are the center peace of the living room
Blu-ray players and game consoles are extras, a extension, something that can't be done or done well on today's TV's
So if MS concentrates on something we already have built-in the thing they need there box plug into...... Well I guess it depends on the customer
I want gaming first, my TV does the rest and I'm sure it being secondary will be just as good

Sent via Codec
 

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[QUOTE="X2, post: 5996227]Uh You are wrong my friend those four blocks has nothing to do with kinect.[/QUOTE]

Rumours and speculation was that one was for echo cancellation (obviously for kinect) and the other was video encoding
 

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[QUOTE="itachi73378, post: 5996237]Rumours and speculation was that one was for echo cancellation (obviously for kinect) and the other was video encoding[/QUOTE]

Those blocks that do those things are not apart of the four blocks.
 

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Still don know how vgleaks get there info. Anyone notice that these specs of both consoles were released a week apart to today. It sounds like they making allnthis stuff up.
 

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Insider From Gaf:

It's a new IP for definite. I don't want to say more than that because we're only a few months away and it'll be much more impressive to have a full reveal. It'd be unfair to GG, and this is going to be a really huge event for them. Plus I know very little, and it's no point putting it out there. It' be more detrimental than anything else. I can tell you it's not like Killzone.

I can spill the following comfortably though since I think this developer is a bit of a joke, and I think people are beginning to suspect this anyway. Versus XIII will have another unveiling later this year regarding development for the next generation. It won't have the "Versus XIII" part in the title. It will definitely release in 2014. You can have my account deleted if this information turns out to be inaccurate. News is fresh on this and I'm really confident about it. FF15 and FF16 are underway, both next generation projects. There's a chance FF15, in particular, may be an exclusive release. Kind of. And with that, I'm off to sleep.
 

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[QUOTE="X2, post: 5996360]Insider From Gaf:[/QUOTE]

I'd be happy if Versus was released for the next-gen consoles. We waited this long already. Might as well wait a bit more for a next-gen version.

And if both 15 and 16 are already underway, then Ito's crew must be making 15. And I don't know who the hell is making 16.