[QUOTE="DeputyDon, post: 0]lol. If you've spent so much time with them, then I think you'd know that in FF8 the enemies level up as you level up. Meaning the more grinding you do, the harder the game gets. This kept it easy for newcomers and allowed "hardcore" players to get through tougher battles. I'm serious. Go play FF8 and max out your level. It's a much harder game than FF7 is. Sure you can play extremely cheap in FF8, but you can do the same in FF7 as well. Knights of the Round anybody? Or how about Quadra Magic or whatever linked with w-summon so you end up using Knights of the Round like 4 times, then you can mime it and use it another 4 times. And if you take the time to max mime out and duplicate it you can do it again....That's the cheapest spell/summon from any RPG game 12 times in a row.[/quote]
They don't completely level up with you, they level in sets so (I can't remember them of the top of my head), but say the next jump is characters in level 19-29, you can reach level 27 and fight will be getting pretty easy because you're the higher end, then when you move into the next group of levels it'll be like fighting a level 19 all over again only bigger figures and an initial disadvantage because you need to update magic, once that's done it feels like you're back to square one. No tactical changes needed, just update magic, attack & cure.
Also, all FF's you can overpower the main storyline. The lengths you have to go to in order to get W-summon and Knights of the Round are insanely higher than just obtaining Aura and Renzokuken & haste & regen multiple times. Which you don't even have to do additional things for, it's just part of the main storyline, it's almost like a bug that they overlooked. I mean, imagine materia that could give you constant limit breaks for a whole battle, that would not be fun, Omnislash, Omnislash, Omnislash, Omnislash, wow I won.
They don't completely level up with you, they level in sets so (I can't remember them of the top of my head), but say the next jump is characters in level 19-29, you can reach level 27 and fight will be getting pretty easy because you're the higher end, then when you move into the next group of levels it'll be like fighting a level 19 all over again only bigger figures and an initial disadvantage because you need to update magic, once that's done it feels like you're back to square one. No tactical changes needed, just update magic, attack & cure.
Also, all FF's you can overpower the main storyline. The lengths you have to go to in order to get W-summon and Knights of the Round are insanely higher than just obtaining Aura and Renzokuken & haste & regen multiple times. Which you don't even have to do additional things for, it's just part of the main storyline, it's almost like a bug that they overlooked. I mean, imagine materia that could give you constant limit breaks for a whole battle, that would not be fun, Omnislash, Omnislash, Omnislash, Omnislash, wow I won.
[QUOTE="Scape, post: 0]XII is just as much turn based as the other games. its your fault if you chose to play it like that. if you didnt want to play like that then why did you set your gambits up to be able to do it? why did you put the system on "Active" instead of "Wait"?[/quote]
it's my fault for using the gambit system as it was designed? uh, ok!
it's not set up like the other FF games at all, no one would agree with you there, even the biggest FFXII fans.
And having the system on 'Wait' and having to go through the menus for each character to have it play like more standard FF was a complete chore (and the game was obviously not designed to play that way)
it's my fault for using the gambit system as it was designed? uh, ok!
it's not set up like the other FF games at all, no one would agree with you there, even the biggest FFXII fans.
And having the system on 'Wait' and having to go through the menus for each character to have it play like more standard FF was a complete chore (and the game was obviously not designed to play that way)
[QUOTE="Byoushinn, post: 0]it's my fault for using the gambit system as it was designed? uh, ok!
it's not set up like the other FF games at all, no one would agree with you there, even the biggest FFXII fans.
And having the system on 'Wait' and having to go through the menus for each character to have it play like more standard FF was a complete chore (and the game was obviously not designed to play that way)[/quote]
but you dont have to use the gambit system, and you dont have to set it up to where it does everything for you. your complaint was how you could set up your gambits and just run around while your characters do everything for you... well, its your choice to play it like that or not play it like that.
you say it was a chore to go through and choose actions for each character... but yet you were complaining about not being able to do that. so you dont want to use a menu for each character like every other FF game uses, but you also didnt like how the gambit system could do that for you. :suspect:
its just very contradicting. you could very easily leave it on Active and still very easily and smoothly choose each action for your party, that is no different from any other traditional turn based FF game besides being able to run around freely while you wait for your turn.
it's not set up like the other FF games at all, no one would agree with you there, even the biggest FFXII fans.
And having the system on 'Wait' and having to go through the menus for each character to have it play like more standard FF was a complete chore (and the game was obviously not designed to play that way)[/quote]
but you dont have to use the gambit system, and you dont have to set it up to where it does everything for you. your complaint was how you could set up your gambits and just run around while your characters do everything for you... well, its your choice to play it like that or not play it like that.
you say it was a chore to go through and choose actions for each character... but yet you were complaining about not being able to do that. so you dont want to use a menu for each character like every other FF game uses, but you also didnt like how the gambit system could do that for you. :suspect:
its just very contradicting. you could very easily leave it on Active and still very easily and smoothly choose each action for your party, that is no different from any other traditional turn based FF game besides being able to run around freely while you wait for your turn.
[QUOTE="AaronSOLDIER, post: 0]FF1 was awesome for its time :S[/quote]
This was before the things that I actually like about JRPGs were introduced... You know, a story with character, not "this is you, now go out and do stuff" which is more what WRPGs are about.
Therefore I stand by what I said, and there was nothing awesome about Final Fantasy until its second game.
This was before the things that I actually like about JRPGs were introduced... You know, a story with character, not "this is you, now go out and do stuff" which is more what WRPGs are about.
Therefore I stand by what I said, and there was nothing awesome about Final Fantasy until its second game.
VIII, X-2, and XII seem to be the most common choices for worst here, but I really enjoyed all three of them. :shock:
I think I liked VIII because it was my first FF.
I liked XII because I was REALLY yearning to go back to XI, so I loved the MMO feel of XII and it helped me get over my cravings. And while there isn't much character development, it has the best cast and voice direction out of all the games, imo. (The audio compression was horrible though!)
I'm not really sure why I enjoyed X-2 so much. I guess I wasn't expecting much out of the story from the beginning being a spin-off and all, and it has my favorite battle system in the series.
I think I liked VIII because it was my first FF.
I liked XII because I was REALLY yearning to go back to XI, so I loved the MMO feel of XII and it helped me get over my cravings. And while there isn't much character development, it has the best cast and voice direction out of all the games, imo. (The audio compression was horrible though!)
I'm not really sure why I enjoyed X-2 so much. I guess I wasn't expecting much out of the story from the beginning being a spin-off and all, and it has my favorite battle system in the series.
I've got to say my least favorite FF is Final Fantasy IV (I don't want to even consider FFI, II or III, since those haven't aged well at all). It has a couple of cool characters and a decent Uematsu OST, but the overall plot is just ridiculous. Kudos for Square Enix for finally trying to have a proper plot in a Final Fantasy game (FFI-III certainly didn't) but, IMO, it fell flat as soon as they started to
in the second half of the game. That's just the cheapest plot-device of them all. I think FFIV is the most overrated FF ever and don't really see how anyone can love that game and go on criticizing later FF games when they do everything (starting from the plot) better than FFIV. But.. oh well, that's just me.
resurrect some of the characters that should've been dead or at least mortally wounded
in the second half of the game. That's just the cheapest plot-device of them all. I think FFIV is the most overrated FF ever and don't really see how anyone can love that game and go on criticizing later FF games when they do everything (starting from the plot) better than FFIV. But.. oh well, that's just me.
[QUOTE="Shattered_Knosepipe, post: 0]I'm sorry if you disagree, but the stories were third-rate, the side quests were abhorrent, and the last-second final bad guy switcheroo in FFVIII was idiotic.
Character 1: "The bad guy isn't Edea!"
Character 2: "Really? Then who is it?"
Character 1: "Ultimecia!"
Character 2: "Who the *#$) is Ultimecia? We've never even heard of her in passing!"
Character 1: "She's super awesome, totally evil and absolutely arbitrary. Her only purpose is to further convolute a ruined story chock full of useless characters."
Character 2: "Oh snap! I guess we should stock up on items in town, since she'll probably be hard to kill."
Character 1: "Nope, too late. The game prompted you to save at the end of disc three. Surprise! You're locked out of EVERY town and side quest in the entire game now! LOLOLOLOLOL! Hope you like anal, because you just took it up the wrong end!"
Yeah, FFVIII sucked hard.[/quote]
Bit late to the party here I know but ROFLMAO for this comment!
Personally I think the worst one by far is FFVII I mean what a one dimensional game that is you really don't care about the characters at all and there's very little depth.
(PS For those who are unsure that's sarcasm! FFVII ROCKS!!!)
Character 1: "The bad guy isn't Edea!"
Character 2: "Really? Then who is it?"
Character 1: "Ultimecia!"
Character 2: "Who the *#$) is Ultimecia? We've never even heard of her in passing!"
Character 1: "She's super awesome, totally evil and absolutely arbitrary. Her only purpose is to further convolute a ruined story chock full of useless characters."
Character 2: "Oh snap! I guess we should stock up on items in town, since she'll probably be hard to kill."
Character 1: "Nope, too late. The game prompted you to save at the end of disc three. Surprise! You're locked out of EVERY town and side quest in the entire game now! LOLOLOLOLOL! Hope you like anal, because you just took it up the wrong end!"
Yeah, FFVIII sucked hard.[/quote]
Bit late to the party here I know but ROFLMAO for this comment!
Personally I think the worst one by far is FFVII I mean what a one dimensional game that is you really don't care about the characters at all and there's very little depth.
(PS For those who are unsure that's sarcasm! FFVII ROCKS!!!)
Final fantasy 12 is up there with the best of them imo, I loved the battle system and side quests. I dont have a worse ff game, from what I remember ff7 was my first and I dont think I played 8 or 9, 10 was good, I didn't play 11. I also thought x-2 was great and so was 12. Im so looking forward to 13 and vs. Not sure about 14 as ive never played an MMO if thats what you call it?? So I dont know how that works.
I pretty much enjoyed all of them. If I am going to have to pick one, Final Fantasy 12, and I played X-2. Story was good, but fell apart due to a weak villain and horrible pacing. It felt as if it was leading to a great crescendo, but then it didn't happen. Battle system left a lot to be desired, though it kind of worked, and the Summons absolutely sucked. Pacing of the game was also horrible, and the cast of characters was weak and easily forgettable. License board system sucked too in all honesty.
Good things about the game were the art direction (though the character designs were crap), and the real sense of adventure the game had. Not to mention the huge areas in the game. Also, the weather changes in one of the areas was pretty cool in adding a bit of realism to it. The concept of the game was also very good, and had a great deal of potential.
It's a Final Fantasy which is a good game, but lacked greatly in execution which makes it suffer.
Good things about the game were the art direction (though the character designs were crap), and the real sense of adventure the game had. Not to mention the huge areas in the game. Also, the weather changes in one of the areas was pretty cool in adding a bit of realism to it. The concept of the game was also very good, and had a great deal of potential.
It's a Final Fantasy which is a good game, but lacked greatly in execution which makes it suffer.
[QUOTE="BioSonic, post: 4327295]Dirge of Cerberus (also the only one I played), I lost all the mild interest I had in FF.[/quote]
:lol:
So... You play the game that's generally thought to be a very mediocre game and one of the worst of the series, not to even mention it doesn't even play at all like most of the FF games (a little clumsy action RPG vs. a more traditional RPG style) and judge the whole franchise, which has many games that are generally thought to be some of the best games ever released?
Isn't that a little dumb? Shouldn't you try out Final Fantasy VI, VII, IX, X or XII? Those are easily the best ones, the ones that could turn people into fans of the series. Dirge of Cerberus is a game FOR the biggest fans that no one else would really appreciate or look past the flaws.
[QUOTE="Typical guy, post: 0]The worst Final Fantasy game's I've played have been (in order of worst to least worst)
Final Fantasy Legend
Final Fantasy Legend 2
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy X-2
I enjoyed all the final fantasy games, including the ones I listed but the ones listed were definately on my list of worst.[/quote]
Final Fantasy Legend 1 & 2 aren't really Final Fantasies. For some reason they just decided to call them that in the US, but they are really a part of the SaGa franchise (Romancing SaGa, SaGa Frontier, Unlimited SaGa).
:lol:
So... You play the game that's generally thought to be a very mediocre game and one of the worst of the series, not to even mention it doesn't even play at all like most of the FF games (a little clumsy action RPG vs. a more traditional RPG style) and judge the whole franchise, which has many games that are generally thought to be some of the best games ever released?
Isn't that a little dumb? Shouldn't you try out Final Fantasy VI, VII, IX, X or XII? Those are easily the best ones, the ones that could turn people into fans of the series. Dirge of Cerberus is a game FOR the biggest fans that no one else would really appreciate or look past the flaws.
[QUOTE="Typical guy, post: 0]The worst Final Fantasy game's I've played have been (in order of worst to least worst)
Final Fantasy Legend
Final Fantasy Legend 2
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy X-2
I enjoyed all the final fantasy games, including the ones I listed but the ones listed were definately on my list of worst.[/quote]
Final Fantasy Legend 1 & 2 aren't really Final Fantasies. For some reason they just decided to call them that in the US, but they are really a part of the SaGa franchise (Romancing SaGa, SaGa Frontier, Unlimited SaGa).
So most of the people in this thread don't like FFXII. Quite honestly, I see that any of these FF games aren't the worst to me but rather all of them, I had the worst moments. FFXII is something that should have been gone out with a bang since it's the 12th game of the Final Fantasy series but sadly, I was disappointed. I don't have much connection with the characters and their first meeting from one another situations was like: "Ok whatever, let's go do this and get it over with. I don't care who you are" attitude. There are a lot of things I didn't like about FFXII but still a good game that would have been better.
Some people here hating on FFX-2, huh. lol. I am proud to say that I liked and enjoyed playing FFX-2. It summed up the story well, imo. I like the whole Charlie's Angels style going on, it's awesome. I love Rikku in FFX-2, she's my most favorite character overall in the story of FFX.
Some people here hating on FFX-2, huh. lol. I am proud to say that I liked and enjoyed playing FFX-2. It summed up the story well, imo. I like the whole Charlie's Angels style going on, it's awesome. I love Rikku in FFX-2, she's my most favorite character overall in the story of FFX.
[QUOTE="Ryuuchi10, post: 0]So most of the people in this thread don't like FFXII. Quite honestly, I see that any of these FF games aren't the worst to me but rather all of them, I had the worst moments. FFXII is something that should have been gone out with a bang since it's the 12th game of the Final Fantasy series but sadly, I was disappointed. I don't have much connection with the characters and their first meeting from one another situations was like: "Ok whatever, let's go do this and get it over with. I don't care who you are" attitude. There are a lot of things I didn't like about FFXII but still a good game that would have been better.
Some people here hating on FFX-2, huh. lol. I am proud to say that I liked and enjoyed playing FFX-2. It summed up the story well, imo. I like the whole Charlie's Angels style going on, it's awesome. I love Rikku in FFX-2, she's my most favorite character overall in the story of FFX.[/quote]
thats about how i feel. XII was good but i felt nothing for the characters or the story, and for me thats the 2 biggest things in an RPG. i also think X-2 was good. i didnt like the whole Charlie's Angles thing it had going with all the high fives. but other then that, it perfected turn based battles and the story was actually pretty good when it took itself seriously. i thought the blitzball was better in X, though.
Some people here hating on FFX-2, huh. lol. I am proud to say that I liked and enjoyed playing FFX-2. It summed up the story well, imo. I like the whole Charlie's Angels style going on, it's awesome. I love Rikku in FFX-2, she's my most favorite character overall in the story of FFX.[/quote]
thats about how i feel. XII was good but i felt nothing for the characters or the story, and for me thats the 2 biggest things in an RPG. i also think X-2 was good. i didnt like the whole Charlie's Angles thing it had going with all the high fives. but other then that, it perfected turn based battles and the story was actually pretty good when it took itself seriously. i thought the blitzball was better in X, though.