Writer for Kotaku and Zoe Quinn Accused of Exchanging Positive Press for Sex

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Here’s a doozey of a story for you. If you’re not a huge fan of Kotaku or the infamous social justice warrior / indie developer Zoe Quinn, you’re in for a treat. There’s even a bit about bearded loudmouth Phil Fish. How did such a huge scandal unfold? Well let’s start at the beginning. Zoe Quinn is an indie game developer responsible for the recently published Depression Quest (which I said some nice things about here). It turns out that Zoe has become somewhat infamous online, often accused of playing the victim to gain publicity. Speculation turned to accusation yesterday, when Zoe’s ex-boyfriend make a post on his own blog, accusing her (with proof) of cheating with a number of prominent industry figures. Among them was current Kotaku writer Nathan Grayson, apparently solicitating sexual favours for positive press.Pretty simple, right? The developer in question loses credibility, along with the gaming publication that allowed such a massive breach of professionalism occur. Except the rabbit hole has been going further than that. Not only has she been swapping blow for positive press, but also leveraging her sexual connections to stamp out anybody critical of her, most notably the organisers of ‘Women’s Game Jam’, who accuse the indie developer of encouraging a press blackout on the charity Jam to promote her own similar event.
Many industry figures and commentators have also had quite a lot to say on the issue, with both sides standing as far away from the fence as possible. Polarising figures like Anita Sarkeesian and Phil Fish have rushed to the aid of the controversy struck developer, the former offering support and the latter going on one of his famous explicit crusades, insulting anybody who calls themselves a gamer and picking fights with far more respected developers such as Marcus ‘Notch’ Persson. On the other side of the fence is YouTube commentator TotalBiscuit, also known as the Cynical Brit, who attacks both Zoe and gaming journalism in general for lack of professionalism and work ethic ina very lengthy twitter post. Also weighing as the loudest voice in the debate is YouTube user ‘InternetAristocrat’, who gives his thoughts in a half hour monologue attacking the corruption of the gaming press and the problems with blind Social Justice Warriors in his latest video, embedded below for your pleasure.

[video=youtube;C5-51PfwI3M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M[/video]
I'm kind of worried about posting this on here considering the Streisand effect is in full swing, with Reddit's gaming sub-forum mod(s) is/are taking great lengths to prevent any form of discussion around the topic to occur (by banning anyone who posts in a thread about it, mind you), along with Giant Bomb deleting a thread about it and an entire website going down for posting an article about it.

I'm disgusted, to be honest. A real issue in the gaming media being covered up by... the gaming media. The video posted in the video is absolutely worth watching if you have the time. :|
 
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I just searched for this story on NeoGaf and couldn't find it there either. Unbelievable. These sites just ban every member and story that goes against their agenda.
 

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4chan was also deleting every single thread left and right across each board before it got out of control to the point where mods can't even stop it.

This is what video game journalism has come to. A complete joke that is all about SJW pandering (which has had a noticeable effect on games themselves), when the people they're pandering to don't even believe what they say.

EDIT: Not only that, but another Youtuber called "MundaneMatt" had his video taken down regarding the whole situation.
 
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This does not suprise me and is a big reason I tend to not trust many big name companies reviews and stick to youtube people or just take the dive myself.
 

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The media will spin this story to focus on the game reviewers, rather than Zoe Quinn. They're both pieces of shit, but no doubt about it, the media will suppress the fact that one of the gaming industry's most famous victimized feminists turned out to be an absolute hypocrite.
 

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Quite frankly, I'm not sure if this will be touched at all. No one wants to piss off the SJW crowd. With that said, I hope the game reviewer gets just as much as flack as she's getting.

Wonder what Anita and Dina think of this whole thing.
 

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[QUOTE="Boxman, post: 6372777]Quite frankly, I'm not sure if this will be touched at all.[/quote]

I hope the internet won't let me down.

[QUOTE="Boxman, post: 6372777]Wonder what Anita and Dina think of this whole thing.[/QUOTE]

Besides just spinning this towards the game reviewers, they might use the "manipulation" card. They use that card to effectively remove all responsibility from the woman.
 

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It's been 3 days already - think outside of the link I provided I'm not sure it'll happen. One can hope though... :)

There's no way she could pull the manipulation card. She is a manipulator herself, and she has a past that InternetAristocrat shed a light on to prove she is one. She isn't necessarily one in this case, but there's no way she can provide backbone to her claim considering all of what happened being completely out and in the open.
 

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[video=youtube;Equc1QnQ9rw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Equc1QnQ9rw[/video]

MundaneMatt's video was reuploaded.

[QUOTE="Yuuichi, post: 6372785]That girl is a scam artist pro.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. Complete sociopath.
 

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It's weird to think that gaming has become so large we have our own equivalent of celebrity and political drama, or outright conspiracy.

I don't follow professional (pffft) reviewers and such. I trust actual, fellow gamers on forums and Youtube. I realize the importance of a bought reviewer, but why are forums and subreddits banning discussion on this? What's the agenda here?
 

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[QUOTE="Nerevar, post: 6372793]It's weird to think that gaming has become so large we have our own equivalent of celebrity and political drama, or outright conspiracy.

I don't follow professional (pffft) reviewers and such. I trust actual, fellow gamers on forums and Youtube. I realize the importance of a bought reviewer, but why are forums and subreddits banning discussion on this? What's the agenda here?[/QUOTE]

I blame people who don't even actually play video games yet decide to have an opinion on how they should be made for bringing in the drama. Anita herself said in a college lecture she doesn't even play games.

As for why forums and subreddits banning discussions, there's a running joke that she's sleeping with their admins too. :snicker
 

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[QUOTE="Nerevar, post: 6372793]why are forums and subreddits banning discussion on this? What's the agenda here?[/QUOTE]

Feminism.
 

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[QUOTE="Nerevar, post: 6372793]It's weird to think that gaming has become so large we have our own equivalent of celebrity and political drama, or outright conspiracy.

I don't follow professional (pffft) reviewers and such. I trust actual, fellow gamers on forums and Youtube. I realize the importance of a bought reviewer, but why are forums and subreddits banning discussion on this? What's the agenda here?[/QUOTE]

I had no idea who any of these people where before this so I did some research, read some tweets from them, and man how stupid are you to get dooped by that girl, oh wait boobies that's why, she is not even that hot.
 

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[QUOTE="Yuuichi, post: 6372807]I had no idea who any of these people where before this so I did some research, read some tweets from them, and man how stupid are you to get dooped by that girl, oh wait boobies that's why, she is not even that hot.[/QUOTE]

She's not attractive at all IMO. I could see if she was hot or had a ton of money but she's far from that.
 

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[QUOTE="Captncoke49, post: 6372811]She's not attractive at all IMO. I could see if she was hot or had a ton of money but she's far from that.[/QUOTE]

That makes us evil now according to her lol
 

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[QUOTE="Nerevar, post: 6372828]This just makes me more confused. Was she one of those 'feminist gamers'?[/QUOTE]

yeah, she was the men are evil and opinions of them do not matter unless you agree with her then they matter
 

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[QUOTE="Nerevar, post: 6372828]This just makes me more confused. Was she one of those 'feminist gamers'?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Feminists and SJWs have been having an influence in the gaming industry for some years now. Part of the "agenda" is not pissing them off, because that would interfere with making money.
 

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Pretty funny. On Twitter, Quinn is calling everyone misogynists for criticizing all women due to her bullshit. It looks like that's the angle the SJWs will run with. "Look at all the women haters coming out of the woodwork!"
 

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[QUOTE="Ixion, post: 6372891]Pretty funny. On Twitter, Quinn is calling everyone misogynists for criticizing all women due to her bullshit. It looks like that's the angle the SJWs will run with. "Look at all the women haters coming out of the woodwork!"[/QUOTE]

Yeah apparently we are all suppose to love lying manipulative whores but if a guy does the same oh no he is even to women. This SJW seems like the lowest common denominator and does more harm than good. Thank fuck frag Dolls not part of this bullshit.
 
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Who is this and why should we care.
All i understood is that she made a game nobody gives a shit about and fucked some game "journalists".

Thing is blown way out of proportion imo. Is it a social media thing? Who watches their shitty videos on youtube anyway...

....Kids these days with their MySpace and and yahoos.
 

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[QUOTE="Beast of Bourbon, post: 6372953]Who is this and why should we care.
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the main reason we should care is this exposes the back room deals some so call "credited" gaming "unbiased" site do, this just proves what Stone Cold always Says, Don't Trust Anybody
 

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[QUOTE="Beast of Bourbon, post: 6372953]Thing is blown way out of proportion imo. Is it a social media thing? Who watches their shitty videos on youtube anyway...[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. People are making this a bigger issue than it really is.

However this is still somewhat important because it shows an additional facet of how fake 'professional' gaming journalism and reviewers really are, and how the system is rigged (more than we may have thought before, anyway). Any gamer should be concerned on some level about this news because, as unfortunate as it may be, these kind of people do have a fair influence in the industry on both gamers and developers. That, and the fact many forums' staff are censoring the subject shows how willing fellow gamers are to cannibalize their own communities for the sake of these assholes.

It's a bad state of affairs, but really not much more. Anyone savvy enough already knows to go independent with their reviews and news.
 

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Seems more like a jilted ex lover getting revenge to me. So what if she fucked some people that are on staff at a shitty gaming site.
 
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Right.
Now i'm not saying you guys shouldn't discuss this or anything I just think that loudmouthed morons get too much attention these days through yt / fb etc.

If you just stop and think for a second what's really left? These guys are nobodies, if it wasn't for the internet they'd be left standing in a precinct - yelling at strangers, preaching their fucked up pseudo feminist/socialist/rightwing/whatever beliefs.

We've seen the Internet's potential when the revolutions in Egypt and Ukraine happened - and then we have these guys :/

On another note, did our admits get booth calls yet?!
What sucks harder? Zoe or her games?
 
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[QUOTE="Ixion, post: 6372891]Pretty funny. On Twitter, Quinn is calling everyone misogynists for criticizing all women due to her bull$#@!. It looks like that's the angle the SJWs will run with. "Look at all the women haters coming out of the woodwork!"[/QUOTE]

Well, if you are criticising ALL women for the actions of one, then yeah, it is pretty misogynist.

Woman sleeps around =/= all women sleep around.

Much in the same way some gaming journos are bad eggs =/= gaming journalists are all corrupted.
 

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The reason this situation is alarming is due to the blatant bias seen across some of the most important forums. NeoGAF, Reddit, 4chan, etc, all tried to remove discussion on this topic, because it was....a "witch hunt"? What does that mean? Oh, right, we can discuss when people do bad things, as long as it's not a feminist woman.

[QUOTE="welshboymick, post: 6372990]Well, if you are criticising ALL women for the actions of one, then yeah, it is pretty misogynist.

Woman sleeps around =/= all women sleep around.

Much in the same way some gaming journos are bad eggs =/= gaming journalists are all corrupted.[/QUOTE]

Of course, but the issue here is that the SJWs will focus more on the backlash to this, rather than what Zoe and the journalists did.
 
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[QUOTE="welshboymick, post: 6372990]Well, if you are criticising ALL women for the actions of one, then yeah, it is pretty misogynist.

Woman sleeps around =/= all women sleep around.

Much in the same way some gaming journos are bad eggs =/= gaming journalists are all corrupted.[/QUOTE]

It's called stereotyping, not being a misogynist. Blaming a whole gender for something =/= having a hatred for them as a whole. Ironically, she's trying to hold websites as a whole accountable (4chan/Wizardchan) for something they didn't even do. She is no position to be saying such things.

For everyone saying they don't care - watch InternetAristocrat's video. Stop reading everything at surface/personal level. Gaming journalism is still journalism, and stuff like this shouldn't be swept under the rug.

As Ixion said, the fact that the Streisand effect is going on as hard as it has is seriously alarming. In other words, the censorship regarding the whole thing feels almost unreal.
 
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