what !!! Wtf

ouch...the whole thing ended with a $20+mil payout?? just shows how brutal the gaming industry can be

so thats why from the begining there was no ds3 thats why sixasis was implented from the begining then having a rumble function too

haha Microsoft will invest this money by buying another "exclusive" PS3 title...

thats probably wat microsoft paid to get FF XIII :S

anyway 20 million dollars is a big slap to that watsoever called company

WTF..no way should they own a patent for that !! I mean Sony have been using the technology since way before them !! Doesn't seem fair..though Microsoft isn't a fair company

WTF? Mircosoft can go f*$% themselves, try to get money out from different companys.

Unfair practices, I told you guys months ago. They forced emmersion to make things difficult for sony so that they wouldnt have to pay the 15 million dollar fee for settling with sony!

Well that was pretty stupid of Immersion to make that clause in the first place.. But they ripped 120 million us from Sony in the first place - So I dont pitty them..

microsoft should be sued for inumerable reasons, for example, they should be sued for selling faulty goods, as in teh x-box please fix me. i mean its completely illegal to sell goods that are known to be faulty, sony and nintendo should do the right thing and sue micrsoft

Leave it M$ to fck up this industry....

I sure hope that MS won't do to the gaming industry what they did for the computer industry.

ouch ! 20 millions just for that

I find it bizarre that MS could tie up that initial deal, considering that rumble was already used in DualShock 2, which existed before MS had even entered the console market.

This can't be looked at as anything but 'underhanded'.  People should have expected this kind of stuff once MS entered the industry.  Find it sad that people support them so adamantly...

^^

thats why i use hacked versions on windows :D

or should i say, winblows.

Microsoft signed a clause to have Sony sued. Unbelievable... they really are a shonky company arent they.

 Mircosoft just make you sick don't they!!!! 

Hey, I like their Windows software but to do this crap, I'm starting to hate them.

 THOSE M***** F*****, the truth is finally out about why we didn't have rumble in the beginning. F*** M$ and F*** Immersion for selling out.  How is this even remotely "OK" to do. SHADY BUSINESS, SHADY BUSIiiiiiNEeeeeSSUUUUUUUuuuu. <----- me screaming it in Japanese like IRON CHEF style.

Yeh cause they need the doe don't they, greedy *****.

I knew that M$ coming to console market wouldn't be good. If you look at it. Immerson didn't pay the $20 mil. We did, It was clearly a @#@! move to grab a quick buck from Sony and it's install base. I now fully understand why Sony didn't put rumble in the controller at first. The fans really wanted it back so Sony put it back in. I now wish Sony would've came up with a newer patent free technology instead of rumble. Just to stick it to M$. I still think before it all said and done. Gamers will find out who's in the market for the quality of product and who's in it for the monoply of money.   

They made that money back from the GTA4 exclusive content i guess..

That is dumb. I'm surprised a company can make a claim like that! Here's one! How's about Sony get paid if MS uses electricity to power its next game machine! Oooh Ohh or if MS uses computer code to compile it's next version of windows it has to pay dunkin doughnuts!

MS gives the US a bad name. There system already dont work the way its suppost to.

psn id: I95SOUTH

I dont see why they'd have to pay...Last gen, PS2 had rumble in it'd controllers before the Xbox even came out...

*shakes head* M$ is the uncivilized firm amidst the game giants. We, the gamers loose out.  Bill gates you s.o.b., you. One day you will be on the streets, and then noone will give you a hand. What goes around will come around.

first of all immersion sued MS roughly 20mil so they jus got their money back 2nd Sony had a fallout with Immersion so thats why they didnt get rumble and when that was patched up immersion had to pay some of the money from sony which was 15mil and extra for any extra costs from sony over 100mil.

not only is the final straw for me against Microsoft. I still think a little blame goes to the patent office for patenting things that have already existed. First in-game music and now Rumble-tech. Gonna be nice to see what format the next gen of xbox will use for their games. Stay on DVD-rom or use blu-ray.

 Truly the world has gone mad when such vast amounts of money are exchanged for what is basically a technology that makes the controller shake.

Who actually thinks rumble is any good? I mean c'mon, its not as if it really adds to the realism when playing games, even like GT or Burnout, all you say to yourself is "oh the controller is rumbling" you don't say to yourself, "wow, i can feel the road"

Totally pointless technology in my view, all it has done is given the near perfect sixaxis more weight and i dare say reduced battery performance (yes i know i can disengage rumble)

dang microsoft some b****** they specifictly sued them cuz it was in the dualshock controller, but oi dont understand how they won this case because we had rumble way back in ps1 that doesnt make since somebody should look at this again. i mean wii has rumble in it and microsoft doesnt say a thing and the wii is kicking its but and it came out after it. i hate microsoft so much i will never buy one of there systems.

What a bunch of w@nkers the patent office are for a start!  A five year old could invent this with a lump of playdoh!

Patent system is a complete scam nothing more ... I'm sure they sell new applications to these giants.  Patents are completely useless nowadays!  Get rid of them

So, Microsoft's technology is in the DS3?

Lol a fee if sony uses the rumble technology? pathetic. XD

Well you guys could always boycott any further microsoft products, that would hit them below the belt, hehehe.

And the rich get richer.

psn id: gingo.... they paid immersion to stop sony using rumble in the duelshock, dirty b******s

you see this is what microsoft does, they hold people back to make it seem like they have the best its really rediculous, and things like this do not help the industry

Of course this would happen. Microsoft is running out of money to buy timed exclusives. Which I bet are about 40-60 million bucks a pop. And FF XIII cost atleast 300 million im sure.

This isn't fair but Microsoft doesn't play fair. Thats how you know their scared.

And why does it keep makeing me double post!? Its happen 3 times.

Sorry.

another evidence that shows that micro$hit is doing all they can with their money to bring the ps3 down. Its business ya, but thats a freaking dirty move. W/e im glad i got the true next gen console.

Okay there seems to be some confusion so I will try to sort it out for you. In the beginning Imersion sued Microsoft and Sony for using their (Immersions) rumble technology in the PS2 and Xbox. Nintendo was not sued because they had proof they had designed their own rumble technology. Microsoft settled the lawsuit out of court by paying Immersion some odd amount of money (I don't know how much) so that they (Microsoft) could continue to use the rumble technology. And so they wouldn't have to pay more money should they lose the lawsuit against Immersion. Sony however thought they could win so they decided to pursue the lawsuit. In the end Sony lost the lawsuit and ended up having to pay Immersion much more then they originally would of had to pay had they settled out of court. Up until the lawsuit ended Sony could also not incorporate rumble technology into the PS3 (Some believe this is why Sony introduced the Motion Sensor technology into their controllers to offset the lack of vibration). Once the lawsuit ended and Sony paid Immersion the money they owed, Immersion and Sony worked together to implement rumble back into the PS3 controller. Immersion does collect royalties on every PS3 controller sold with rumble in it. (Not sure about PS2 controllers). I think the rest about Microsoft is covered in the article above.

rumble is so old.. dont know why they even implemented it on the ps3..

this is typical microsoft...they've been trying to buy lots of patents for computers as well to try and keep linux down.

 Can you say anti-trust!

20 million isn't that much money people.  Not when the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar industry.

"MS" stands for MEGA-SHAFTED lol

I think when EggBOX wants to add a Blue-Ray Drive it might just cost MS 40million for the patent use, what you think people ?

Micro$oft, you are so pathetic. SO pathetic.

Why don't you just burn in heIl?

Microsoft is so full of crap