richkaos

• 2:17am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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probably posted by a bitter 360 fan, whos had enough of PS3 owners that keep making a point about free online play.

Odium_Generis_Humani

• 2:30am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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Um, dude.  Probably not.  Paying for online games is a reality in so many realms.  I think you guys have been spoiled by the free GENERAL online play on the PS3.  But online subscriptions are something that you'd better get used to.  It's not a PS3 vs. 360 thing.  It has nothing to do with that.  It's a modern gaming thing.  All these great MMORPG games you hear about coming next year?  Yeah, subscriptions.  I hope you don't think games like The Agency are going to be non-subscription.  Trust me, YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY AN MMO GAME THAT'S FREE ANYWAY.   Most any massively multiplayer game that isn't highly maintained (which costs money) sucks to play.  Get used to it....now.

H3LiX

• 2:33am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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OGH tells the truth. I would willingly pay for an MMO FPS with constant updates and quality servers etc etc.

Axe99

• 2:44am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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I guess it depends what they plan - if it's FPS-style action like Resistance 2 or Killzone, without anything really added or maintained, then it'd be a bit rough - but then I think they wouldn't do it as no-one would go for it.  On the other hand, if it was maintained and evolved over time then there'd be a point, and it'd be good value.  Given Sony's view to online so far, I'd be surprised that they'd charge unless it was something pretty good (there's a lot of first-party games with free online play at the moment, after all)

bilbo_bobbins

• 2:44am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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I hope it's not true, once one game does it, they all will. 

richkaos

• 2:52am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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@ OGH you are right but i aint gonna pay to play online however great you or they think the service will be, at the end of the day you will still get muppets online not taking it seriously, thus c0cking up the game, yeah yeah you can report them and take them out, but that doesnt help there and then. however well you think and they say these host servers are maintained you still get issues. I can see that paying for RPG games (which for some is there life) is a must as it is a journey and you expect it, but for a casual FPS i cant really see it, however big it is.

Odium_Generis_Humani

• 2:54am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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@5

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They won't do it if it doesn't work (as in--no one buys it), my friend. 

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I say it all the time...Don't assume that becuase you and your friends see things a certain way ("All my friends have 360's!" ... 'I don't want to pay for online" ..."I think the Wii sucks so it won't sell well" ... "Blu-Ray doesn't matter"), doesn't mean the rest of the world sees it the same way.

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Have you ever played an MMORPG game like Everquest, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI (my fav), and the like?  I know the subject started about MAG, which is a shooter, but what I'm saying applies to all.  MMORPGs have next to no server issues and gets new content constantly.  You are used to playing games a few weeks.  COD4 is an exception, not the rule.  MGS4, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword are all great, but they are gone and done now.  People play MMORPGs for years.  YEARS!

MARKS-THE-NAME

• 3:06am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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YE ONCE ONE GAME STARTS CHARGEING THAY ALL WILL YES I WOULD PAY BUT! THAY WOULD HAVE TO BE VALUE FOR MONEY AT THE MOMENT PS3 HAS NOT HAD ONE GAME THAT WORTH PAYING FOR (ONLINE GAMEING) THER WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME MAJER CHANGES TO GAMES IN FUTURE.SOMTHING ELS PISSIS ME OF ABOUT PS3GAMES LATELY THAY ARE TO SHORT BAR A FEW I MEAN 40POUND FOR LESS THAN TEN HOURS COME ON MOST PS2 GAMES LAST LONGER!sorry about spelling

PS3-The Ultimate Machine

• 3:29am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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@Odium

The Agency IS free,get your facts straight,this is NOT an RPG like Everquest and the like,sure it needs maintainance,but an online match in a shooter usually doesn't last longer than an hour(unlike MMORPGs which go on and on and on),i don't know how many of you guys are willing to pay for that.but i for one am not,Sony announced this game at e3,without ever mentioning anything about a subscription,they didn't announce this game as an MMO,they announced it as a shooter,and that's why they shouldn't charge subscription for it,why can't they just get in game advertisement to pay for server costs,i wouldn't mind seeing an ad of Coca Cola,while positioning a head shot.And i think it'll add to the fun factor,and the realism,subscriptions game related things imo,are never worth it.They could put in micro transactions like they are in the Agency,millions of other cheaper ways to avoid subscription.They just have to choose one.

richkaos

• 3:49am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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@7 No i havent played everquest or wow but i know plenty who do and know what its all about. As i said in my edited post RPG's are a different kettle fish, for some they are a way of life, a journey, a full on time consuming addiction which i can see the need to pay for a GOOD service, but an FPS how ever big is a casual game to most, its not something you enter for the long haul GENERALLY.

Odium_Generis_Humani

• 3:55am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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@ PS3-The Machine

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No.  You get your facts straight.  They have not announced or committed their payment plan for The Agency yet and people (like YOU) are assuming it's free in their silence.  Look it up again.  I'm not doing it for you.  The Agency is an SOE game, so it's possible (but still unconfirmed) that they CHOOSE to make it free.  But The Agency is not the issue.  The issue is you and people like you have not accepted that online fees are coming.  You are in denial if you think that's not true.  Put it this way, if everyone charged online fees, would you stop gaming?  No?  Guess what.  Developers and publishers know that too.

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I changed my mind.  Here you go below.  The Agency is "transation based" where they nickel and dime you.  Trust me "freeloader", you'd rather pay a set subscription.  Now all the people that don't care about money (like me) will just buy everything to make their character better while people like you get owned because they don't want to spend...but you wanted it that way, didn't you?  And remember, this is a SONY game.  Watch what other developers do...

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http://kotaku.com/390505/soes-agency-free-realms-to-support-real-money-trading

Rauland

• 4:08am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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ppl dont listen 2 Odium_Generis_Humani all lies

we wont be paying money for online unless the online experiances is heavy or big like MAG (but hopefully its add supported plz)  and dont say this is the way in a year coz its not. PS3 r like pc they have free online and mandortery installs. so i take it u havent seen how many pc games have free online like counter strike

hesmanes

• 4:13am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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To be honest i think thats fair to do this........don't forget how many users will be online! They'll need guys watching the servers 24/7. So for this game i'd be happy to pay either a one off payment or subscription. It's only fair in the end. However I'd only expect to pay for online for games at the magnatude of this one.

Odium_Generis_Humani

• 4:15am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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Lol!  Sure, believe the guy with no punctuation.  Anyway, online fees are coming whether you read or believe my posts or not.  I'm trying to inform you, not win a contest.  Don't get mad at me because you're scared of what will happen.  I've said what I came to say.

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I just read that guy's post again and I need to clarify.  I'm saying subscriptions are coming, not a general online fee for the PSN.  I think he thinks I'm saying we will pay an "XBLive" sorta thing.  That's not what I'm saying and if he read more than just my first post and not reacted emotionally, he would have gotten that (maybe...I'm not to sure about you young guys' reading comprehension skills nowadays).

bilbo_bobbins

• 4:21am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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 If online fees will come, I will quit playing online, unless you can download the game for free in the first place. I will refuse to buy a game, then pay online, it's ridiculous, however big the game. 

TekkenLord

• 4:28am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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As i said before if the news didn't come from sony it self don't listen to it.

Odium_Generis_Humani

• 4:29am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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Sure Bilbo.  Good on you.  You obviously have not played your first MMORPG, and therefore don't get it....

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For those of you who have not, there's nothing like it.  You actually save money because while you play an MMORPG,  you don'y play other games for months and months. You sometimes take small breaks to play big titles, but only ones that are worth tearing yourself away from what your are doing online.  All the things you hear about WOW and used to hear about games like "Evercrack" are true.  You know how people are talking about how they are going to go broke this Holiday season with all the PS3 goodies that are coming?  If you were into an MMORPG (that you liked) right now, you would not say that because you would not care what's coming out.  You actually miss out on other games when you have a subcription to a MMO that you like.

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Now THAT I agree with.  I love how Sony does not discuss rumors.

H3LiX

• 4:30am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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Sony DID announce MAG as an "MMO" shooter. Just in case anyone is unaware, MMO means Massively Multiplayer Online. Given the numbers of players planned for MAG, it is entitled to use "MMO". Everyone stating "If they do this, they'll do it for all other games".... your plain, good 'ol wrong in that assumption.

Paranoimia

• 4:41am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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PSN is free, and for that amount of money, it's fantastic. But people need to get it into their head that it may not always be free - and even if the service itself remains free, there may be some aspects that you may well eventually need to pay for.

MAG is going to be a huge game (I mean in scope - not that it will necessarily be a great success), and will require some serious server power to be lag-free. Those servers come at a cost, and someone is going to have to provide that cash.

Sony have given us a heck of a lot for free, and it's totally unreasonable to expect them to keep doing so with every new game that comes out. If you like and enjoy a game, why wouldn't you want to contribute to it's upkeep and smooth running?

At least with game-based subscriptions, you choose if you want to pay or not - you're not paying for year-long access to something you may never use.

Sony don't have bottomless pockets, and can't afford Microsoft's (admittedly dubious) business practice of "just throw money at it, never mind about profit." If you want PSN to be as good and as successful as Live, there are some things you're just going to have to pay for.

EFFORTLESS8

• 5:03am EDT - September 29th, 2008
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u homos type too much